Solar, Magnus and Turok

[leonmallett]

...Much as I love Solar and Magnus, trying to work them into the current titles might feel like they were being shoehorned into a universe that has moved on without them.

+1

[Shadowman99]

...I just don't see the need for them now, nor what they offer.

Now that VEI is pushing into more and more characters that are fresh and new, they need lessens, and that need was pretty much done for with the world-building at the relaunch - VEI have formed a nice cohesive universe. The GK3 could fit, but really, I think the effort to do so would far outweigh the gains.

Well said that man.

[Watchtower]

Does VEI need the Gold Key 3 back? Not really. They have done a fantastic job crafting a universe without them (Shadowman shenanigans aside), and the new characters like Punk Mambo and Bleeding Monk have all been great additions to Valiant's library. I would certainly be content with what we have if those 3 never came back.

But do I want them back? Absolutely. They all bring very interesting things to the universe, and even in it's third year VEI could still throw the 3 in with practically no major changes. The universe is complete enough without them, but adding them in is nothing but a major plus, which is why I voted "Yes."

[Captain Craig]

You could extend the "anti" or "no" votes argument to other titles as well.
Do we need a Geomancer ongoing? She just good enough as a support player? Maybe.
Do we need to explore the idea of Psi-Lords? Would they be missed? Is there a gap as the VU exists at this moment?
What about Troublemakers, Trinity Angels or Secret Weapons(could be different than Unity)?

Saying that the GK3 doesn't fit for 'x' reason doesn't seem to jive with me.
If VEI could get them back I have to belive that their insertion would be thought out just as much as new concepts like Gen Zero, Bleeding Monk, Punk Mambo or Divinity have been. A logical and organic introduction would occur no different from other concepts.

[bygranddesign]

Saying that the GK3 doesn't fit for 'x' reason doesn't seem to jive with me.
If VEI could get them back I have to belive that their insertion would be thought out just as much as new concepts like Gen Zero, Bleeding Monk, Punk Mambo or Divinity have been. A logical and organic introduction would occur no different from other concepts.

Yeah, agreed.

I don't get this idea that it would feel shoehorned in..? Is Divinity ... a character that seems just as powerful as Solar .. is he being shoehorned into the universe?

There is always going to be new and powerful characters being introduced to the universe ... why would magnus, solar, turok be such a problem?

[myron]

Saying that the GK3 doesn't fit for 'x' reason doesn't seem to jive with me.
If VEI could get them back I have to belive that their insertion would be thought out just as much as new concepts like Gen Zero, Bleeding Monk, Punk Mambo or Divinity have been. A logical and organic introduction would occur no different from other concepts.

Yeah, agreed.

I don't get this idea that it would feel shoehorned in..? Is Divinity ... a character that seems just as powerful as Solar .. is he being shoehorned into the universe?

There is always going to be new and powerful characters being introduced to the universe ... why would magnus, solar, turok be such a problem?

would they, could they, would you even want them to be the same characters though?

IMO it would wind up being the same as what some people say about the new Star Trek movies...in name only

[Captain Craig]

^^^^^
That is still Star Trek. Alternate Timelines and Universes are a staple of Trek in all it's incarnation.
The Mirror Universe being the most used. A look at the TNG episodes Yesterday's Enterprise or Parallels is further proof.
That's just some of fandom being bitter and choosing to ignore that nuTrek is just a focus on an alternate version of our classic favs.

To the main point: I'm sure they would be tinkered or tooled with some, yes. In the same vein that Mirage has been for example.
Their addition would still be welcome.

[Dr Noel]

Hell yeah!

That's all I have to say about that.

[jmatt]

I don't get this idea that it would feel shoehorned in..? Is Divinity ... a character that seems just as powerful as Solar .. is he being shoehorned into the universe?

There is always going to be new and powerful characters being introduced to the universe ... why would magnus, solar, turok be such a problem?

Only in the sense that buyers would know the historical connection and feel that ex post facto they had been acquired and were trying to be revived for the umpteenth time, this time with VEI. That could actually work against the company.

And for those that aren't aware of the connection, it would not be a draw in any way.

[Shadowman99]

I always hate to deny the possiblity that something *could* be done effectively in comics because I think that's a discredit to whoever would be taking a stab at making that theoretical possibility happen.

I don't think that characters like Solar, Magnus or Turok would necessarily be out of place in the universe, but I just don't see the need to use those specific characters again. It just seems as though a bit contrived to me.

[jxm640]

I always hate to deny the possiblity that something *could* be done effectively in comics because I think that's a discredit to whoever would be taking a stab at making that theoretical possibility happen.

I don't think that characters like Solar, Magnus or Turok would necessarily be out of place in the universe, but I just don't see the need to use those specific characters again. It just seems as though a bit contrived to me.

I agree with you.

The only reason I could see for Valiant to try and get the rights to these characters back is if VEI was about to shutter its doors, which I am hoping is not the case.

As the Valiant characters can stand on their own, I see no reason to bring back characters whose main use is to create new universes with new characters.

As much as I love these characters, I will maintain my vote for ice cream.

[grendeljd]

Some interesting points raised in this thread. Personally, I voted no.

Like many here, I started reading Valiant with Magnus #1 & Solar #1 but only read Magnus up to #8, & Solar up to #11 (& missed #10 at the time due to a limited budget back in the day ) before diving into some of the other new characters they launched instead. Not that the characters were bad, I just kind of lost interest in them. I also collected/read the first 10 issues or so of VH1 Turok but I found him much less appealing.

So for me, I can do without them in the VEI universe. It's a tight-knit world for the most part so far, and stands on it's own in excellence. With the new books coming it's only going to get better from here. I don't miss their presence.

But to be fair to those discussing their return, there are some good arguments for it. I would consider checking it out if the rights were bought out entirely & VEI - then they would be free to do what they want to make the characters fit in the existing universe without IP constraints. In that event, even a late return could work well as they could take their time to come up with something that works for the rest of the VU - though to be perfectly honest I still would not try out a Turok book.

I do think they can come up with something suitably appropriate to suit those archetypes without actually bringing Solar, Magnus or Turok back specifically - and Divinity will hopefully help prove that.