Harbinger Death

[Phoenix8008]

Yeah, Pete disappearing again would be a mistake

if they wanted to shake things up?

How about re-titling Harbinger after issue #25 as Harbinger: Gen Zero. It could be about Harada and the Gen Zero kids with Cronus being more of the main character.

And then have a separate title called Renegades - with Peter leading a couple of original characters + some new Gen Zero characters that revolted and left the Harbinger foundation.

THAT I would totally get behind! Awesome idea!

[kjjohanson]

After reading Bleeding Monk 0, I think Pete's off the table. I think the monk sensed Harada and Pete's growing conflict on the horizon. And remember, the Bleeding Monk thinks Pete is "the Destroyer." So, I'm betting it's not Pete.

I still say it has to be Kris, or maybe Flamingo.

Well, concerning the Bleeding Monk, I think the only thing he has ever said/thought that we can trust as true is the contents of Bleeding Monk #0. He states in that book that after seeing the struggle between the two (Harada/Pete) that he has decided that he must shape this world as he sees fit. Everything he has done or said in every book up to Bleeding Monk #0 is part of that manipulation. He clearly was manipulating the Renegades when he appeared to Pete. I think Bleeding Monk #0 confirms what many of us believed - that he was manipulating Harada as well. His "Pete is the destroyer" speech was for Harada's benefit. He wants Harada to turn Pete into an enemy. I think he was worried when they were getting along in the first arc.

The guy doesn't just see the future, he exists in all times. If he can change something, he will if he chooses to do so. He also knows what he can and cannot change. The cool thing is, we have no idea what he wants to change. I think he is angling for the destruction of all things, and he sees the battle between Harada and Pete as a means to that end. I think (as someone pointed out in another thread) that he wants to die.

The Bleeding Monk has been (and remains) my favorite VEI character since Harbinger #1 hit the stands.

I also called he was evil back in the discussions of that first arc. And before some smart *SQUEE* comes along and says "but we don't know that he's evil..." - he's evil. Get over it. It's awesome.

I think the reasons for the Bleeding Monk's goals speak more to whether he's evil than the goals themself. Morality is a funny thing when discussing subjects with varying ability to effect an outcome, and one of the reasons why I like "superhero" comics.

[vaevictis]

My money is on it being Kris for two simple reasons (one of which is equivalent to picking Superbowl winners by their uniforms). First, it makes the most sense story wise. Pete has been trying to make amends with her since the beginning and I think he will feel responsible for dragging her in to this fight and feel like it’s his fault she died. Personal guilt and its effect on the team and all. Second (Superbowl uniform reason), She is the last of the renegades to get a full face issue cover. If memory serves, she has/will have two covers that focus only on her.

[AnthonyF]

Based on the cover where Faith is kissing Torque I think its gonna be Torque. Hope he fathers Magus before he goes

[BugsySig]

My money is on it being Kris for two simple reasons (one of which is equivalent to picking Superbowl winners by their uniforms). First, it makes the most sense story wise. Pete has been trying to make amends with her since the beginning and I think he will feel responsible for dragging her in to this fight and feel like it’s his fault she died. Personal guilt and its effect on the team and all. Second (Superbowl uniform reason), She is the last of the renegades to get a full face issue cover. If memory serves, she has/will have two covers that focus only on her.

Actually, Kris drags him into the fight and he agrees because he wants to make amends with her. He wanted her to let him die.

[vaevictis]

Actually, Kris drags him into the fight and he agrees because he wants to make amends with her. He wanted her to let him die.

You are correct in that is what ACTUALLY happened. I was referring to how Pete would SEE it. He takes responsibility/blame for the mess the team gets into... whether warranted or not.

[BugsySig]

Actually, Kris drags him into the fight and he agrees because he wants to make amends with her. He wanted her to let him die.

You are correct in that is what ACTUALLY happened. I was referring to how Pete would SEE it. He takes responsibility/blame for the mess the team gets into... whether warranted or not.

enough with the *SQUEE* logic on this board!

[bamaphilosopher]

My money is on it being Kris for two simple reasons (one of which is equivalent to picking Superbowl winners by their uniforms). First, it makes the most sense story wise. Pete has been trying to make amends with her since the beginning and I think he will feel responsible for dragging her in to this fight and feel like it’s his fault she died. Personal guilt and its effect on the team and all. Second (Superbowl uniform reason), She is the last of the renegades to get a full face issue cover. If memory serves, she has/will have two covers that focus only on her.

Yes! I couldn't have said it better myself. I think she makes the most sense, story-wise.

[bamaphilosopher]

Actually, Kris drags him into the fight and he agrees because he wants to make amends with her. He wanted her to let him die.

You are correct in that is what ACTUALLY happened. I was referring to how Pete would SEE it. He takes responsibility/blame for the mess the team gets into... whether warranted or not.

enough with the *SQUEE* logic on this board!

Too bad we can't see your "squee" when we bring up your quote, like we can with spoilers.

Hmm...let me try something, just to see what is squee-worthy:

*SQUEE*

*SQUEE*

damn

[bamaphilosopher]

lol, okay, "damn" passes muster. Figured as much.

[lorddunlow]

lol, okay, "damn" passes muster. Figured as much.

My personal favorite is the more common term for a "gentleman's club" - starts with strip, ends with club.

Go ahead and try it...

[Tim]

lol, okay, "damn" passes muster. Figured as much.

My personal favorite is the more common term for a "gentleman's club" - starts with strip, ends with club.

Go ahead and try it...

tit bar?

[kjjohanson]

lol, okay, "damn" passes muster. Figured as much.

My personal favorite is the more common term for a "gentleman's club" - starts with strip, ends with club.

Go ahead and try it...

tit bar?

Winner!

[bygranddesign]

Here is another clue .. a raging clue....

They just released covers for issue #25 ..one of them is a homage cover that has all the characters - so that one we can set aside as a gimmick cover ... but the other cover by Mico might ease the fear that Peter is the one that gets killed. Even though Pete looks like he is getting his butt kicked - the fact that he is on the cover probably means he is safe because all the solicits suggested that issue #23 would be the Death issue.

Mico issue #25 cover

[BugsySig]

Here is another clue .. a raging clue....

They just released covers for issue #25 ..one of them is a homage cover that has all the characters - so that one we can set aside as a gimmick cover ... but the other cover by Mico might ease the fear that Peter is the one that gets killed. Even though Pete looks like he is getting his butt kicked - the fact that he is on the cover probably means he is safe because all the solicits suggested that issue #23 would be the Death issue.

Mico issue #25 cover

The next miniseries is called Harbinger: Omegas, too. And Pete and Toyo seem to be the only two Omega level Harbingers (that we know of).

[Shadowman99]

Well, there were some interior pages previewed over on that 'Dysart talks about the end of harbinger' article, showing Khris, Pete and Animalia all still alive and kicking, so: Are those pages to be trusted?

[BugsySig]

Well, there were some interior pages previewed over on that 'Dysart talks about the end of harbinger' article, showing Khris, Pete and Animalia all still alive and kicking, so: Are those pages to be trusted?

The one of Kris and Pete is from Harby 22 or 23 (I think), so no guarantee there. The one of Animalia is from the Armor Wars mini, so she's safe...but I never considered her a Renegade anyway.

[bygranddesign]

Here is another clue .. a raging clue....

They just released covers for issue #25 ..one of them is a homage cover that has all the characters - so that one we can set aside as a gimmick cover ... but the other cover by Mico might ease the fear that Peter is the one that gets killed. Even though Pete looks like he is getting his butt kicked - the fact that he is on the cover probably means he is safe because all the solicits suggested that issue #23 would be the Death issue.

Mico issue #25 cover

The next miniseries is called Harbinger: Omegas, too. And Pete and Toyo seem to be the only two Omega level Harbingers (that we know of).

So you don't think Darpan is an Omega?

We know he is rare in that he was born activated but perhaps he doesn't have the wide ranging Psiot abilities that is required to be considered an Omega?

If I had to guess ... I would say he ends up being an Omega Harbinger

[BugsySig]

Here is another clue .. a raging clue....

They just released covers for issue #25 ..one of them is a homage cover that has all the characters - so that one we can set aside as a gimmick cover ... but the other cover by Mico might ease the fear that Peter is the one that gets killed. Even though Pete looks like he is getting his butt kicked - the fact that he is on the cover probably means he is safe because all the solicits suggested that issue #23 would be the Death issue.

Mico issue #25 cover

The next miniseries is called Harbinger: Omegas, too. And Pete and Toyo seem to be the only two Omega level Harbingers (that we know of).

So you don't think Darpan is an Omega?

We know he is rare in that he was born activated but perhaps he doesn't have the wide ranging Psiot abilities that is required to be considered an Omega?

If I had to guess ... I would say he ends up being an Omega Harbinger

I always considered Omegas to be the most powerful; the ones who exhibit multiple powers like Pete and Harada. I think that is separate from being born activated like Darpan. After all, Harada wasn't born activated and he is an omega.

[bygranddesign]

Here is another clue .. a raging clue....

They just released covers for issue #25 ..one of them is a homage cover that has all the characters - so that one we can set aside as a gimmick cover ... but the other cover by Mico might ease the fear that Peter is the one that gets killed. Even though Pete looks like he is getting his butt kicked - the fact that he is on the cover probably means he is safe because all the solicits suggested that issue #23 would be the Death issue.

Mico issue #25 cover

The next miniseries is called Harbinger: Omegas, too. And Pete and Toyo seem to be the only two Omega level Harbingers (that we know of).

So you don't think Darpan is an Omega?

We know he is rare in that he was born activated but perhaps he doesn't have the wide ranging Psiot abilities that is required to be considered an Omega?

If I had to guess ... I would say he ends up being an Omega Harbinger

I always considered Omegas to be the most powerful; the ones who exhibit multiple powers like Pete and Harada. I think that is separate from being born activated like Darpan. After all, Harada wasn't born activated and he is an omega.

True .. but Peter started to really develop his powers (and exhibit new powers) through training. Darpan is young and considered special so he might be able to further his abilities also with training. We shall see.

[Shadowman99]

Well, there were some interior pages previewed over on that 'Dysart talks about the end of harbinger' article, showing Khris, Pete and Animalia all still alive and kicking, so: Are those pages to be trusted?

The one of Kris and Pete is from Harby 22 or 23 (I think), so no guarantee there. The one of Animalia is from the Armor Wars mini, so she's safe...but I never considered her a Renegade anyway.

Oh man, I was certain Animalia was on the chopping block

Well, now I have no idea who it's going to be. I'm glad it's looking at least like VEI have the balls to off a main character and not a B-list character (although of course, that depends on how long Ax stays alive for now!)

[kjjohanson]

Well, now I have no idea who it's going to be.

It's Flamingo.

[kjjohanson]

This is why I don't think it's Kris: I think she has to be around to release the information that we already know gets out about Harada. We don't necessarily know that the other Renegades have access to Kris's video, or that they would think to release it if she was the one to go down.

[BugsySig]

This is why I don't think it's Kris: I think she has to be around to release the information that we already know gets out about Harada. We don't necessarily know that the other Renegades have access to Kris's video, or that they would think to release it if she was the one to go down.

But with Ax releasing all the info on Harada and Psiots, once Harada is revealed, Kris no longer has any leverage to keep her family safe. At that point, the video doesnt matter anymore. Of course, Harada would also likely have other things on his mind besides her parents then, as well.

[lorddunlow]

Definitely Faith. I think the cover of #25 with the angel wings on the skeleton are a tell. Faith flies and she's the only (mostly) pure of the bunch.