Harbinger Death

[KXXX]

Well robots don't have anatomy, so without reproductive organs, how do you define male/female.

Tekla was female, for sure.

I'll note that Kris is the only Renegade not on that cover.

Tekla wasn't 100% robotic, though...

She did have Elzy fix her up with certain lifelike enhancements during the Future Force run but as I recall, these enhancements were still 100% robotic.

She wanted to be more like Leeja, iirc.

Yes indeedy

[jaspersk]

Kris will die Pete will be distraught and run off under the
Bleeding monks tutelage it'll be like the ebony maw and thane.

[Moots]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

That would be really interesting, but seeing how it seems that Archer is going to take over the sect i cant really see him taking over the renegades (unless he uses them to work for the sect?).

[bamaphilosopher]

"I think you need to re-read Harbinger #6. In no way did Pete drag her in, unless you're referring to his initial *SQUEE* with her."

kj, yes, I was referring to his initial mind-control, "make-me-love-you" dragging her into it. If Kris dies, I think this could have some story power. I don't see that same kind of resonance if it's Flamingo. With her, it'd just feel to me like, we killed somebody for the sake of killing somebody. Of course, one could also argue he "dragged" Flamingo into it, but it was not by force, as it initially was with Kris.

I don't want any of the characters to die, but Kris's death would have more emotional impact for me. Also, I like what someone else said, that it would help Pete become more of a leader. I don't see how Flamingo's death would accomplish that.

So, I think story-wise, Kris's death would resonate more than Flamingo's.

[Tim]

I hope it's Shadowman.

[Bl00dsh0t]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

That would be really interesting, but seeing how it seems that Archer is going to take over the sect i cant really see him taking over the renegades (unless he uses them to work for the sect?).

Cool theory, however, I can't see this arrow...can you point it out?

[hawkeyeps]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

That would be really interesting, but seeing how it seems that Archer is going to take over the sect i cant really see him taking over the renegades (unless he uses them to work for the sect?).

Cool theory, however, I can't see this arrow...can you point it out?

That was my mistake, it's not a arrow flying at the Armour Hunters it's actually a space spear being thrown at the Renegades by Jug-Lor the Armour Hunter. I got this confirmed by VEI, well not the Jug-Lor part that's mine as is the space circus he escaped from

It's amazing anyone listens to what I say anymore

I still think the Archer thing could happen though and Pete is my guess for who will die.

[The Dirt Gang]

What is the name of the harby kid who during harby wars took the other dead kid into his "head"? Could this be a direction they go with the dead renegade?

Seems like a bit of a cheat and Pete is one of the last I want to see dead but it could make for an interesting twist if Pete dies and then enters this kid.

What do you all think?

[Baramos]

Peter could die. I try to separate the original universe from the reboot--I can accept him dying in this new retelling and not consider to be "repetitious" if its done in a way that gives emotional weight to it. Would you expect a new version of Romeo & Juliet to have them live at the end, or be upset if they died "again"?

If they do kill off Peter, I assume Christian would move into the open slot as leader as it appears the Gen Zero kids are coming back into the spotlight.

Any of the core group would be a big deal, though. Faith is protected by foretelling, though. Flamingo, Kris or Torque seem up for grabs.

Can we trust future covers? I forget exactly, but didn't a preview of a Bloodshot and HARD Corps cover have Superstar on it, despite being an issue after his death? I might be confusing this or reversing it though (like people looking at future cover of HARD Corps and noticing several characters NOT on it, which spoiled the deaths of several of them, as HARD Corps has had a huge turnover in its short run).

[bygranddesign]

Bloodshot and HARDCorps #14 - the Lupacchino cover was changed. They added Granite and I think switched Hammerhead with Maniac.

Eternal Warrior #6 Bernard cover was changed - going from present day Eternal Warrior with Kay .. to future EW.

But I do think Faith and Torque are in the clear .. Not only are they on the larosa cover but you can see the outline of them in the hairsine interconnecting covers



and that might be Peter flying?

[kjjohanson]

Bloodshot and HARDCorps #14 - the Lupacchino cover was changed. They added Granite and I think switched Hammerhead with Maniac.

Eternal Warrior #6 Bernard cover was changed - going from present day Eternal Warrior with Kay .. to future EW.

But I do think Faith and Torque are in the clear .. Not only are they on the larosa cover but you can see the outline of them in the hairsine interconnecting covers



and that might be Peter flying?

I think a lot of the cover art is subject to change, especially if they're trying to not reveal the contents of upcoming storylines.

[kjjohanson]

Any of the core group would be a big deal, though. Faith is protected by foretelling, though. Flamingo, Kris or Torque seem up for grabs.

We don't know that "Faith" is the Renegades' Faith. It could refer to someone else named Faith, or someone pious that took "Faith" as a codename. (Considering her history, it could be referring to Mary-Maria.)

[jmatt]

It's also possible that the character that dies only begins their plight in the April issue and doesn't actually bite the dust until June or July. That might account for cover appearances, which have been notoriously disconnected from the content of the book anyway.

Is anyone here thinking of participating in the wager described over in the Registered section? Put yer money where your mouth is!

[bygranddesign]

More clues from the June solicits ... and check out that cover



The solicit:

HARBINGER #24
Written by JOSHUA DYSART
Art by CLAYTON HENRY
Cover by LEWIS LAROSA
Variant Cover by CLAYTON HENRY

One of the Renegades is dead…but the battle isn’t over yet.

The penultimate issue of the most important Harbinger story ever told is almost here, and the countdown to the “EVERYTHING CHANGES,” mind-shattering spectacular of Harbinger #25 is heading toward you like a freight train. Hold on tight!

If we were to believe the solicits - it looks like the death will happen in issue #23

My guess is that they start to deal with the aftermath and shock of the death in 24

and the *SQUEE* hits the fan in issue #25

I would be upset if Issue #25 doesn't involve Peter Vs. Harada ... and Peter going all Great Destroyer on that mofo

So my guess is either Flamingo or Kris die in issue #23

Kris crying as the ambulance is arriving might suggest her crying over the loss of Flamingo (I think she would cry over the death of any of the renegades but Flamingo would be especially impact-full as she probably had some deep feelings for her)

It also could be her crying because she has been mortally wounded and she knows she is about to die as she sees the ambulance approaching...

But I think I would put my money on Flamingo at this point (but not 50 bucks )

[Tim]

Pete's toast.

[bygranddesign]

Pete's toast.

[Tim]

Flamingo would be too easy for Dysart and that's why I think it's Pete. Kris, Faith and John seem to be safe from the data we have so far and I can't imagine Dysart wasting a moment like this on a character who wouldn't resonate heavy. Flamingo just isn't important enough to die, IMO.

[bygranddesign]

I'd be surprised if it was Peter (and extremely bummed out)

This new VEI I think has long term plans to branch out into movies and TV eventually ... and Peter I would think is too valuable a property to kill off at this stage. He really hasn't even reached his potential.

Flamingo on the other hand - I think would be impactful enough but ultimately she could be replaced (Telic would be a good replacement)

Kris can be like Gwen Stacy - in that it would be an important story moment that would greatly impact Peter and would be a sort of turning point for the character and story.

[jmatt]

It also could be her crying because she has been mortally wounded and she knows she is about to die as she sees the ambulance approaching...

I thought the same thing. The ambulance is arriving, maybe it's for her.

(but not 50 bucks )

Chicken.

[David_Cody]

If VEI offs Peter, I will cancel my entire purchasing budget to VEI comics. And I think some people may be just as ticked as that. I hope VEI isn't that myopically-naive to kill-off one of their best characters in what looks like a PR play....and have fans not react with their wallets.

That's just me and my couple two cents.

Kris would make sense, but not Sting.

[lorddunlow]

(but not 50 bucks )

Chicken.

+1

I'd go a little further and use a term also used to describe a cat.

Rhymes with wussy, which I would also call you!

[Tim]

If VEI offs Peter, I will cancel my entire purchasing budget to VEI comics.

Wow...that's harsh, David. Of course if it's Faith I'll do the same thing.

[Captain Craig]

I'm still leaning Kris. She's literally the weak link.
She has emotional impact to Pete but to all of them now really.

I hadn't made the Gwen Stacy-esque comparison but it does feel right.

[bygranddesign]

(but not 50 bucks )

Chicken.

LOL .. We all know that devious Dunlow has plans to kidnap and torture Greg for the answer. Or Dysart.

[etos45]

So here's my thoughts...

Pete - Nope. I will quit reading. VH1 killed the original Harbinger title by doing this (IMHO), it'll do the same for VEI.

Kris - I can see them doing it, but I wouldn't like it. Kris offers the human element. I like that and I think she's a great character.

Flamingo - I still think there's a lot to do here. If they killed her, not the end of the world, but a shame.

Faith - May sound mean, but I wouldn't miss her. I don't think it's her, but there's just something about this character I don't like. With that said, I understand the arguments that would say she's "necessary".

Torque - Predictable, yes. But I think there's a reason he died in the first incarnation. VEI did a great justice to him by letting a more complete story be told, but how much can you really do with him now? I like the guy, but I think if I had to lose one, I'm okay losing him.

Bottom line, Torque is the most expendable, yet least likely. If they kill Pete, then I have to suspect that there are some troubles at VEI and they needed this to save the line. That's like Marvel killing Spider-man or Wolverine... for real. He's too strong of a character and his death would only hurt the long term.