Eternal Warrior #6 Discussion

[Heath]

I didn't care for the first arc at all. In fact, if it hadn't been for the teased trip to the year 4001, I would have probably dropped it after #4. But I'm really enjoying this book now. But the future post-apocalyptic wasteland trope is something I've always enjoyed. While I agree with the criticisms about the confusing action and the very quick read, overall I find these last two issues far better than the first four.

It's interesting that Gilad is obviously aging. That's a departure from VH1 where, physically, the Gilad of 4001 looked the same age as the Gilad of the 1990s. And like everyone else, I love Caroline and the relationship between her and Gilad. Particularly where he let her decide if he took action now or waited (although things changed in a hurry). That not only was telling of their relationship, but also fitting for someone who is as old as Gilad and seen as many "bad guys" come and go over his life; act now or act later, it doesn't matter, nothing is really urgent and there will always be somebody tearing families apart and preying on the weak. So his actions now are mainly for the sake of Caroline.

[jmatt]

I'm not a huge fan of drawn out fight scenes.

Then this may not be the book for you. He's a warrior. Fighting. Eternally. How much more drawn out does it get than that?

Unless there's going to be some amazing revelation of a character using powers in a way they never had before, I really just need to know what the outcome is.

Well, I would agree to a certain point -- but I don't think an extra page of him taking on The Boss or the robots would have hurt anything. Just wasn't enough room to fit it in, I suppose. I'd say that dedicating an entire page to Caroline's bloody nose could have been pared down but then that would have detracted from the emotional revelation, which is probably more important.

[lorddunlow]

I'm not a huge fan of drawn out fight scenes.

Then this may not be the book for you. He's a warrior. Fighting. Eternally. How much more drawn out does it get than that?

Unless there's going to be some amazing revelation of a character using powers in a way they never had before, I really just need to know what the outcome is.

Well, I would agree to a certain point -- but I don't think an extra page of him taking on The Boss or the robots would have hurt anything. Just wasn't enough room to fit it in, I suppose. I'd say that dedicating an entire page to Caroline's bloody nose could have been pared down but then that would have detracted from the emotional revelation, which is probably more important.

If you ask me, this book was severely lacking in deformed giant penises.

[bygranddesign]

I'm also getting a sense that this might be an alternate future. We know there are sentient cities and places of great technological marvel like in the Rai pages. Yet this world is described as a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Maybe they are only describing the little rock/middle america part of the world ... and Japan and other Sentient Cities were shielded from the nuclear destruction that seemed to ravage America. But i'm getting the feeling that we will reach the end of the arc and Gilad will realize that he SHOULDN'T have killed all the Gods and Buck the Geomancer was telling this alternate reality through the Earth to make Gilad realize that his mission to destroy the Gods would be a worse outcome than having them around (this will especially impactful if Caroline dies). And that's what ultimately will convince Gilad to re-dedicate his life to the Fist and Steal of the Earth and therefore directly lead into the crazy angry Gilad determined to fight for the Earth in A&A #5.

This. Keep getting the feeling that the Eternal Emperor will bleed over into the next arc, maybe he arrives in the "present" via the Faraway to stop modern day EW from destroying the Earth tree. Very Terminator-esque.

The fact that EW will be on hiatus after this arc ends, adds to the feeling that this future is an alternate version

I have a feeling Matt Kindt has been given the task to not only re-establish 4001 ... but also re-introduce 4001 Gilad which will be much different than the version in the Eternal Emperor arc.

I just hope that this was all planned ahead of time ... and they didn't fumble the ball because writers are NOT on the same page

[AnthonyF]

I just hope that this was all planned ahead of time ... and they didn't fumble the ball because writers are NOT on the same page

That's bound to happen in any universe, I just hope they learn from it.

[SJS4]

I'm also getting a sense that this might be an alternate future. We know there are sentient cities and places of great technological marvel like in the Rai pages. Yet this world is described as a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Maybe they are only describing the little rock/middle america part of the world ... and Japan and other Sentient Cities were shielded from the nuclear destruction that seemed to ravage America. But i'm getting the feeling that we will reach the end of the arc and Gilad will realize that he SHOULDN'T have killed all the Gods and Buck the Geomancer was telling this alternate reality through the Earth to make Gilad realize that his mission to destroy the Gods would be a worse outcome than having them around (this will especially impactful if Caroline dies). And that's what ultimately will convince Gilad to re-dedicate his life to the Fist and Steal of the Earth and therefore directly lead into the crazy angry Gilad determined to fight for the Earth in A&A #5.

This. Keep getting the feeling that the Eternal Emperor will bleed over into the next arc, maybe he arrives in the "present" via the Faraway to stop modern day EW from destroying the Earth tree. Very Terminator-esque.

The fact that EW will be on hiatus after this arc ends, adds to the feeling that this future is an alternate version

I have a feeling Matt Kindt has been given the task to not only re-establish 4001 ... but also re-introduce 4001 Gilad which will be much different than the version in the Eternal Emperor arc.

I just hope that this was all planned ahead of time ... and they didn't fumble the ball because writers are NOT on the same page

***Spoiler***

In the Rai solicit, it sounds like Japan is in (geosynchronous) orbit of a post-apocalyptic Earth. That seems to match the world Pak is showing us.

[bygranddesign]

***Spoiler***

In the Rai solicit, it sounds like Japan is in (geosynchronous) orbit of a post-apocalyptic Earth. That seems to match the world Pak is showing us.

Cool. Sounds good.

[jmatt]

The fact that EW will be on hiatus after this arc ends...

What? Really?

Why would they do this after only 7 or 8 issues? I certainly hope its not so they can get more #1 issues out the door over the summer -- that would make me nervous. Won't new readers be confused and put-off?

[SJS4]

Won't new readers be confused and put-off?

Can't speak for new readers, but as someone buying Valiant since the relaunch i am both confused and extremely put off.

Even if they do manage to bring back EW after the summer of "ALL NEW #1's!!!!" They are pretty much guaranteed to lose a ton of readership, which pretty much dooms any chance of success for the title.

Argh i am still so *SQUEE*, don't want to even think about it for now.

[jmatt]

Even if they do manage to bring back EW after the summer of "ALL NEW #1's!!!!" They are pretty much guaranteed to lose a ton of readership, which pretty much dooms any chance of success for the title.

I'm excited about what they have in the pipeline -- but this is a little disconcerting.

[xodacia81]

I suppose all there is for us as readers, is to wait and see. But, if this backfires, will we have new issues TO read?

[hunter_peterson]

Won't new readers be confused and put-off?

Can't speak for new readers, but as someone buying Valiant since the relaunch i am both confused and extremely put off.

Even if they do manage to bring back EW after the summer of "ALL NEW #1's!!!!" They are pretty much guaranteed to lose a ton of readership, which pretty much dooms any chance of success for the title.

Argh i am still so *SQUEE*, don't want to even think about it for now.

I reckon it'll just be resumed with #9- and a Must Read Valiant thing. They aren't really doing anything that Image books don't. If anything, EW appearing in the Armor Hunters Unity arc and in the high-profile Rai will provide a boost, especially if they use that to position the next arc.

I REALLY WANT NEWS ABOUT POST-VALIANT FIRST

And I hope it isn't a re numbering thing, because that goes against the grain of wanting to display their established nature as a line of books.

[Phoenix8008]

Won't new readers be confused and put-off?

Can't speak for new readers, but as someone buying Valiant since the relaunch i am both confused and extremely put off.

Even if they do manage to bring back EW after the summer of "ALL NEW #1's!!!!" They are pretty much guaranteed to lose a ton of readership, which pretty much dooms any chance of success for the title.

Argh i am still so *SQUEE*, don't want to even think about it for now.

I reckon it'll just be resumed with #9- and a Must Read Valiant thing. They aren't really doing anything that Image books don't. If anything, EW appearing in the Armor Hunters Unity arc and in the high-profile Rai will provide a boost, especially if they use that to position the next arc.

I REALLY WANT NEWS ABOUT POST-VALIANT FIRST

And I hope it isn't a re numbering thing, because that goes against the grain of wanting to display their established nature as a line of books.

THIS is my biggest worry still. I can handle EW being on hiatus as he'll still be in Unity and hopefully in Rai. I don't THINK that VEI will go down the reboot/renumbering route, but I'd really rather KNOW instead of GUESSING.

[Captain Craig]

I decided to go ahead and read this thread since AGAIN I'm told by my LCS that Diamond did not fulfill his order request for EW#6. I worked a comic store for nearly 4yrs, don't lie to me now, I sniff a lie.

At any rate the issue sounds good and I look forward to getting a copy....somehow, someway even if it means going across town now.

[Sven the Returned]

Had not locked at the spoilers is the end of the second arc? I read this series arc by arc.

[BugsySig]

Had not locked at the spoilers is the end of the second arc? I read this series arc by arc.

Nope. Two more issues.

[Sven the Returned]

Thanks.

[xodacia81]

I'm also getting a sense that this might be an alternate future. We know there are sentient cities and places of great technological marvel like in the Rai pages. Yet this world is described as a post-apocalyptic wasteland. Maybe they are only describing the little rock/middle america part of the world ... and Japan and other Sentient Cities were shielded from the nuclear destruction that seemed to ravage America. But i'm getting the feeling that we will reach the end of the arc and Gilad will realize that he SHOULDN'T have killed all the Gods and Buck the Geomancer was telling this alternate reality through the Earth to make Gilad realize that his mission to destroy the Gods would be a worse outcome than having them around (this will especially impactful if Caroline dies). And that's what ultimately will convince Gilad to re-dedicate his life to the Fist and Steal of the Earth and therefore directly lead into the crazy angry Gilad determined to fight for the Earth in A&A #5.

This. Keep getting the feeling that the Eternal Emperor will bleed over into the next arc, maybe he arrives in the "present" via the Faraway to stop modern day EW from destroying the Earth tree. Very Terminator-esque.

The fact that EW will be on hiatus after this arc ends, adds to the feeling that this future is an alternate version

I have a feeling Matt Kindt has been given the task to not only re-establish 4001 ... but also re-introduce 4001 Gilad which will be much different than the version in the Eternal Emperor arc.

I just hope that this was all planned ahead of time ... and they didn't fumble the ball because writers are NOT on the same page

It would be unfortunate if that were the case. But, what if the plan was there all along, and we are going to have issues from now on with aborted time lines?

[leonmallett]

Won't new readers be confused and put-off?

Can't speak for new readers, but as someone buying Valiant since the relaunch i am both confused and extremely put off...

And not alone, either; feel much the same.

[leonmallett]

I really enjoyed the issue. The pacing felt fine to me; one of my favourite titles is Astro City and Busiek will compress Crisis.Secret Wars/Events style beats into a couple of pages if necessary, and so the robots things was fine for me as a reader.

I really like this version of Gila and the relationship with Caroline.

I am intrigued that this could be the Earth of 4001 or the suggestion posited above that it is an alternate future - I'd be fine with either as long as logic and consistency are applied.

For me this was a very solid issue.