Harbinger Death

[pixierosa]

In light of all the major announcements today and the given timelines, I'm changing my prediction as to who will die in Harbinger.

Originally I was thinking it might be Flamingo as she is powerful but not essential, nor has she developed as much as a character.

In light of seeing the Armor Hunters Harbinger #1, which is out after the "death" arc, I'm changing my prediction to Pete. Although there is no fire, that redhead flying on the cover appears to be Flamingo, and she, Torque and Faith are fighting alongside the Gen Zero kids.

I don't think it is Kris that will die, but I can't tell you why. I could be wrong, though.

So, Gen Zero kids - are they playing with Harada's team now, and are the remaining Harby's doing so, too? If the original team is broken up, and if Harada is diminished (or dead - hey, there's an idea, then Pete and Kris could help control HC), the original Harby's could get swept up into the Harada corporation just like Faith did in the original series.

Thoughts?

[bygranddesign]

I said in another thread after seeing that Armor Hunters: Harbinger cover that Pete's odds of dying just went way up.

I'd be pretty disappointed if he was the one to go.

IMO, The Peter VS. Harada struggle for power and the future of Psiots should be integral to the Harbinger ongoing

But if the Gen Zero kids are freed and become feature players in the Harbinger ongoing then maybe the Renegades are broken (Peter is dead) and the remaining join up with Gen Zero.

[bygranddesign]

Since this is in the spoiler room .. I'll post the Armor Hunter: Harbinger cover pic here



So definitely Faith and Torque are alive

I'm not completely sure that is Flamingo - I would expect that in order for Flamingo to fly she would need to use her Flames but certainly it looks like it COULD be her.

I'm not sure who the scruffy kid is with the glowing hand but it doesn't look like Peter.
And it looks like the kid with the hand to his head conjuring his Monster is Baxter.

So Peter and Kris look like the two renegades that are definitely NOT on the cover

Ax and Animalia also not there (but killing them off wouldn't count as a momentous event)

[FormerReader]

It's really hard for me to believe anything based on the cover. If it's Peter I would be very disappointed. They basically did that already in VH1 and the title was not very good afterwards. One of the things about the book that I think is important is the struggle between Peter and Harada.

Who would be the main character if Peter was dead?

My guess is it is Kris. She is the brains of the group, but outside of the core group of Harbinger fans (us) who cares about a story where a girl with no powers leads a group against a ultra powerful omega Harbinger. That being said her death would mean a whole lot more in making Peter a stronger character and leader. She is a great character, but the book could go on without her. It could not go on without Peter and it would be a sign to me that VEI is out of ideas.

[xodacia81]

It's really hard for me to believe anything based on the cover. If it's Peter I would be very disappointed. They basically did that already in VH1 and the title was not very good afterwards. One of the things about the book that I think is important is the struggle between Peter and Harada.

Who would be the main character if Peter was dead?

My guess is it is Kris. She is the brains of the group, but outside of the core group of Harbinger fans (us) who cares about a story where a girl with no powers leads a group against a ultra powerful omega Harbinger. That being said her death would mean a whole lot more in making Peter a stronger character and leader. She is a great character, but the book could go on without her. It could not go on without Peter and it would be a sign to me that VEI is out of ideas.

I think Kris dying would be perfect.

[depluto]

If the story is great, I can put up with the changes. But I'd rather they just didn't kill anyone off yet. There's a lot that can still be done with all of the Harbinger characters. And like you guys said, the Pete/Harada conflict is crucial to that story.

[Aomalle27]

It's really hard for me to believe anything based on the cover. If it's Peter I would be very disappointed. They basically did that already in VH1 and the title was not very good afterwards. One of the things about the book that I think is important is the struggle between Peter and Harada.

Who would be the main character if Peter was dead?

My guess is it is Kris. She is the brains of the group, but outside of the core group of Harbinger fans (us) who cares about a story where a girl with no powers leads a group against a ultra powerful omega Harbinger. That being said her death would mean a whole lot more in making Peter a stronger character and leader. She is a great character, but the book could go on without her. It could not go on without Peter and it would be a sign to me that VEI is out of ideas.

I don't remember Peter dying in VH1, although I do remember them putting his on "hiatus" with brief appearances late in the series. He ran off with Flamingo, and then later reappeared as a harbinger hunter, and as a cosmic threat from the future. Although if the lack of Pete in the stories is what you're likening to a Peter death in VEI, yeah I agree with you then. Zephyr is a great character, but as the lead character of this title? Harbinger really lagged when she was in that role after what? issue 25 or 26 in VH1.

[xodacia81]

It's really hard for me to believe anything based on the cover. If it's Peter I would be very disappointed. They basically did that already in VH1 and the title was not very good afterwards. One of the things about the book that I think is important is the struggle between Peter and Harada.

Who would be the main character if Peter was dead?

My guess is it is Kris. She is the brains of the group, but outside of the core group of Harbinger fans (us) who cares about a story where a girl with no powers leads a group against a ultra powerful omega Harbinger. That being said her death would mean a whole lot more in making Peter a stronger character and leader. She is a great character, but the book could go on without her. It could not go on without Peter and it would be a sign to me that VEI is out of ideas.

I don't remember Peter dying in VH1, although I do remember them putting his on "hiatus" with brief appearances late in the series. He ran off with Flamingo, and then later reappeared as a harbinger hunter, and as a cosmic threat from the future. Although if the lack of Pete in the stories is what you're likening to a Peter death in VEI, yeah I agree with you then. Zephyr is a great character, but as the lead character of this title? Harbinger really lagged when she was in that role after what? issue 25 or 26 in VH1.

Part of that was due to some really lax storytelling by Fontenot, who lowered the stakes to where I expected to see an arc about rampaging kittens. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, the story needs to be a dual one about Peter and Harada. I see no reason why this has to change now. In fact, I see no reason why this can't play out for a good 4 or 5 years and be one of the backbones of the universe.

[bygranddesign]

Part of that was due to some really lax storytelling by Fontenot, who lowered the stakes to where I expected to see an arc about rampaging kittens. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, the story needs to be a dual one about Peter and Harada. I see no reason why this has to change now. In fact, I see no reason why this can't play out for a good 4 or 5 years and be one of the backbones of the universe.

+100000

I hope you are right but I'm worried. I love Dysart .. but he was upset that they forced his hand on killing a renegade and he seems to be very concerned about sales numbers (which is crazy because the numbers are good and one of the best VEI selling titles despite the fact that it is at issue 21) - so he might be looking to do something big in order to shake things up and change the status quo.

[xodacia81]

Part of that was due to some really lax storytelling by Fontenot, who lowered the stakes to where I expected to see an arc about rampaging kittens. Right now, and for the foreseeable future, the story needs to be a dual one about Peter and Harada. I see no reason why this has to change now. In fact, I see no reason why this can't play out for a good 4 or 5 years and be one of the backbones of the universe.

+100000

I hope you are right but I'm worried. I love Dysart .. but he was upset that they forced his hand on killing a renegade and he seems to be very concerned about sales numbers (which is crazy because the numbers are good and one of the best VEI selling titles despite the fact that it is at issue 21) - so he might be looking to do something big in order to shake things up and change the status quo.

Yeah. I think it would be a huge error. I can only see this working out if somehow the story becomes about how the Bleeding Monk manipulated both Harada and Pete and lied to them about what he saw. Meaning, the Monk would perhaps be the ultimate bad, even worse than Harada, perhaps, and turning Harada into a sort of Sinestro to The Monk's Krona.

[Sir Sandrick]

I would actually be willing to bet that it is Kris. I don't think that it will be Peter because he is the yin to Harada's yang. I just hope that she goes out in style and show's them that you don't need super powers to make a difference.

[KXXX]

Can Animalia be considered? She's kinda been jammed into the fold, is acting like a *SQUEE* and wouldn't be missed nearly as much.

Have your cake and eat it, as well.

[hunter_peterson]

I think that, after this issue, Flamingo might hurt the team the most with her death. But they all seem so essential that it's hard to say... I don't want anyone to die!

[hawkeyeps]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

[bobby97801]

If Pete dies, I will no longer be buying Harbinger.

[Aomalle27]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an arrow, it's a spear thing that the armor hunter has thrown, it's drawn exactly like the one in his (? I'm assuming its a male, certainly looks male) hand. It appears to have just missed the psiot that seems to be directing the rest of the group.

[lorddunlow]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an arrow, it's a spear thing that the armor hunter has thrown, it's drawn exactly like the one in his (? I'm assuming its a male, certainly looks male) hand. It appears to have just missed the psiot that seems to be directing the rest of the group.

It's definitely a juggling baton. He probably ran away from home to join the circus and ended up being abducted by aliens who trained him to fight X-O armors.

[Captain Craig]

Peter "dies" only to be reborn as......the Visitor.....or the Harbinger in the future timeline?????

[hawkeyeps]

Pete dies, Archer takes over the Renegades and liberates Generation Zero.

If you look at the Larosa picture an arrow is flying towards the Armour Hunter fired unseen in the foreground, I think that's a big hint.

If not what's up with the arrow going towards the Armour Hunter guy?

Not to burst your bubble, but that's not an arrow, it's a spear thing that the armor hunter has thrown, it's drawn exactly like the one in his (? I'm assuming its a male, certainly looks male) hand. It appears to have just missed the psiot that seems to be directing the rest of the group.

It's definitely a juggling baton. He probably ran away from home to join the circus and ended up being abducted by aliens who trained him to fight X-O armors.

There is definitely a space circus angle.

[Aomalle27]

Is it just me, or is the flying cockroach the only armor hunter that DOESN'T look awesome. I mean that giant Kirby robot is just *SQUEE*, the rock guy is cool, the red cyborg thingy looks neat and the presumably skinny female cyborg thing looks cool too. But that thing flying with faith? Eh, reminds me of general grievous from Star Wars attack of the clones. Anyone else think the armor hunters are from the future? Perhaps why a robot would join these sentient beings. We know robots are rare in the 4001 wastelands of EW, could that be a result of an XO armor anihilating robots in the future? Could they be traveling to the past to decimate the 1 or few XO's that exist before more are "born" ala Terminator?

[lorddunlow]

the presumably skinny female cyborg thing looks cool too.

Presumably skinny?

[Aomalle27]

Yeah meant skinny presumably female

[FormerReader]

Yeah meant skinny presumably female

What gave it away the boobs?

[Aomalle27]

Yeah meant skinny presumably female

What gave it away the boobs?

Plenty of dudes where I work have bigger juggs than Pam Anderson. And can a robot (if that 's what she is) be female?

[Captain Craig]

Yeah meant skinny presumably female

What gave it away the boobs?

Plenty of dudes where I work have bigger juggs than Pam Anderson. And can a robot (if that 's what she is) be female?

You must not follow Transformers lore......yes, they can be.