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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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mateo107 wrote:
grendeljd wrote: I know from experience that bounds books have to be printed in page count clusters of 16 - not sure if this applies to comics as they are just loose sheets stapled together, but the 32 page count would point to that being in effect anyway...
comics are generally 32, 40, 48, 64, 80, or 100 pages.

I remember when I was a kid there seemed to be mostly 32 page standard or double-sized 64-page issues. Annuals used to be 64 pages, then gradually 48 pages became more common and now that's often the biggest page count you'll see on the stands.
The 32-page comic book generally had only 22 pages of story, at most 24, even back in the 1990s. Go back to your old 1990s comics, not one of them reached 32 pages in an ordinary issue.

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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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I'd like there to come a time when VEI has a strong enough fanbase that they don't have to put preview pages in the backs of their comics. I never read 'em. Not interested in reading a snippet of a comic I'm not interested enough in to buy on a monthly basis.

One thing I would like to see regularly in the back of the comics is a one-page editorial and a two-page letters section.

However, I feel for Reber's comment in that the writers and artists spend weeks working on products that don't get appreciated anywhere near as fully as they wish they would, due to people ploughing through an issue in 5 minutes or so. If you've read a comic in 5 minutes then you've no way absorbed the visual communication of the comic correctly.

Naturally it usually takes me at least 15/20 mins (estimate) to read a comic regardless of what it is. I suppose I just spend more time taking in the visuals than most. Seriously, I used to think I was weird for taking that long on a comic, but now I've read this thread I realise that other people are just reading too fast and not taking them in properly.
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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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erwinrafael wrote:
mateo107 wrote:
grendeljd wrote: I know from experience that bounds books have to be printed in page count clusters of 16 - not sure if this applies to comics as they are just loose sheets stapled together, but the 32 page count would point to that being in effect anyway...
comics are generally 32, 40, 48, 64, 80, or 100 pages.

I remember when I was a kid there seemed to be mostly 32 page standard or double-sized 64-page issues. Annuals used to be 64 pages, then gradually 48 pages became more common and now that's often the biggest page count you'll see on the stands.
The 32-page comic book generally had only 22 pages of story, at most 24, even back in the 1990s. Go back to your old 1990s comics, not one of them reached 32 pages in an ordinary issue.
No, but they had more story (although they used more panelling, and far less full page and dual page spreads which VEI uses in abundance. I always thought of the full page spread being reserved for the extraordinary event, such as the death of a character, and the dual page foldout reserved for the epic event, like a galactic conflict, or a truly picotal earth shattering event, like Supes vs doomsday. ) every issue now has at least 1 if not multiple full and dual page spreads, really cutting down on the storytelling

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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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Aomalle27 wrote:
erwinrafael wrote:
mateo107 wrote:
grendeljd wrote: I know from experience that bounds books have to be printed in page count clusters of 16 - not sure if this applies to comics as they are just loose sheets stapled together, but the 32 page count would point to that being in effect anyway...
comics are generally 32, 40, 48, 64, 80, or 100 pages.

I remember when I was a kid there seemed to be mostly 32 page standard or double-sized 64-page issues. Annuals used to be 64 pages, then gradually 48 pages became more common and now that's often the biggest page count you'll see on the stands.
The 32-page comic book generally had only 22 pages of story, at most 24, even back in the 1990s. Go back to your old 1990s comics, not one of them reached 32 pages in an ordinary issue.
No, but they had more story (although they used more panelling, and far less full page and dual page spreads which VEI uses in abundance. I always thought of the full page spread being reserved for the extraordinary event, such as the death of a character, and the dual page foldout reserved for the epic event, like a galactic conflict, or a truly picotal earth shattering event, like Supes vs doomsday. ) every issue now has at least 1 if not multiple full and dual page spreads, really cutting down on the storytelling
I've often found that a full page spread indicates a high-action, or very plot-significant moment.
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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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Aomalle27 wrote: No, but they had more story (although they used more panelling, and far less full page and dual page spreads which VEI uses in abundance. I always thought of the full page spread being reserved for the extraordinary event, such as the death of a character, and the dual page foldout reserved for the epic event, like a galactic conflict, or a truly picotal earth shattering event, like Supes vs doomsday. ) every issue now has at least 1 if not multiple full and dual page spreads, really cutting down on the storytelling
Yeah, I remember the event comics consisting of only splash pages. But VEI is not even close to that.

Checkout the early VALIANT comics put out by Shooter. Each issue kicked off with a full title Splash page. That was not unusual in the early 90s, even from the big 2.

Even better yet, check out early Image comics. :kidaround:

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Shadowman99 wrote:Naturally it usually takes me at least 15/20 mins (estimate) to read a comic regardless of what it is.
Same here.

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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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Aomalle27 wrote:
erwinrafael wrote:
mateo107 wrote:
grendeljd wrote: I know from experience that bounds books have to be printed in page count clusters of 16 - not sure if this applies to comics as they are just loose sheets stapled together, but the 32 page count would point to that being in effect anyway...
comics are generally 32, 40, 48, 64, 80, or 100 pages.

I remember when I was a kid there seemed to be mostly 32 page standard or double-sized 64-page issues. Annuals used to be 64 pages, then gradually 48 pages became more common and now that's often the biggest page count you'll see on the stands.
The 32-page comic book generally had only 22 pages of story, at most 24, even back in the 1990s. Go back to your old 1990s comics, not one of them reached 32 pages in an ordinary issue.
No, but they had more story (although they used more panelling, and far less full page and dual page spreads which VEI uses in abundance. I always thought of the full page spread being reserved for the extraordinary event, such as the death of a character, and the dual page foldout reserved for the epic event, like a galactic conflict, or a truly picotal earth shattering event, like Supes vs doomsday. ) every issue now has at least 1 if not multiple full and dual page spreads, really cutting down on the storytelling
IIRC, Superman 75 was an entire book of splash pages, with the previous chapter being 2 panels per page, prior to that 3 panels per page, etc.
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Re: 32 pages, no not really....

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kjjohanson wrote:
Aomalle27 wrote:
erwinrafael wrote:
mateo107 wrote:
grendeljd wrote: I know from experience that bounds books have to be printed in page count clusters of 16 - not sure if this applies to comics as they are just loose sheets stapled together, but the 32 page count would point to that being in effect anyway...
comics are generally 32, 40, 48, 64, 80, or 100 pages.

I remember when I was a kid there seemed to be mostly 32 page standard or double-sized 64-page issues. Annuals used to be 64 pages, then gradually 48 pages became more common and now that's often the biggest page count you'll see on the stands.
The 32-page comic book generally had only 22 pages of story, at most 24, even back in the 1990s. Go back to your old 1990s comics, not one of them reached 32 pages in an ordinary issue.
No, but they had more story (although they used more panelling, and far less full page and dual page spreads which VEI uses in abundance. I always thought of the full page spread being reserved for the extraordinary event, such as the death of a character, and the dual page foldout reserved for the epic event, like a galactic conflict, or a truly picotal earth shattering event, like Supes vs doomsday. ) every issue now has at least 1 if not multiple full and dual page spreads, really cutting down on the storytelling
IIRC, Superman 75 was an entire book of splash pages, with the previous chapter being 2 panels per page, prior to that 3 panels per page, etc.
Also Savage Dragon #7 which Larsen used as an experiment of sorts.
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