valiants comic-con panel

[Jonman]

Brian refused to let me ask a question so I went to Dino directly.

Q: Has the Shadowman script been turned in yet?

Dino: I got it 2 weeks ago and I read it. It's a good first draft, we are moving in the right direction. We are going to have a meeting in a few weeks and discuss the pluses and minuses and give notes for the 2nd draft(*not word for word from Dinesh, this is basically what he said)

Q: Is Ice Cube still attached?

Dino: (laughter) He's signed on the dotted line.

Wow thanks! This is the news I was looking for. Glad they're moving forward rather than backward with it.

[betterthanezra]

Brian refused to let me ask a question so I went to Dino directly..

Hey now it's only an hour panel honestly everyone who asked questions had multiple ones they were asking..

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

[CallMeBloodshot]

Any news on the Bloodshot movie?

Nice to hear they're going to explore the Bloodshot working for PRS angle, if that's the case.

[Rufusharley]

Brian refused to let me ask a question so I went to Dino directly..

Hey now it's only an hour panel honestly everyone who asked questions had multiple ones they were asking..

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

Yeah, you're not kidding about the multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple questions some were asking. more than a little irritating.

[Phantom]

crow ~ glad you persisted and asked the question
now lets see if we can get a copy of that script.

[erwinrafael]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

well, there are bright spots in Marvel / DC. Like Hawkeye and Datredevil for example. Valiant has not produced so far a book that approaches that level of quality.

Youre kidding right? Hawkeye is Marvel's best book, arguably for sure, but I'd contend Harby and X-O "approach that level of quality".

Anyway, I never said they didn't have some good books. My point is they are driven by the film industry, thus I wouldn't even consider them a proper comic company anymore.

Nope, Harbinger and X-O Manowar are good but not "comic book class" material like Hawkeye and Daredevil. Harbinger is close but not yet there.

Also, they are not driven by the film industry. They are a total entertainment company and the books feed off the movies and the movies feed off the books. I doubt if the American comic book industry would have survived the mess of the 1990s if the big companies remained insular from changes stimulated by changes outside the comic book industry. If Marvel did not make smart moves in relation to their movie franchises and let the 1990s bankruptcy sink them, I doubt that we would have an industry that could support a resurrection of a bankrupt company like Valiant. That's why I do not get all these hate for Marvel and DC being sellouts or something. It's a very myopic point of view.

[The Dirt Gang]

depluto - Thanks for posting updates during the panel. Much appreciated!

[Dr. Solar]

I didn't get a chance to live tweet this because I was busy recording the panel. My phone can only do one of the two at a time.

I should have the audio posted up sometime in the next couple days.

[BugsySig]

I didn't get a chance to live tweet this because I was busy recording the panel. My phone can only do one of the two at a time.

I should have the audio posted up sometime in the next couple days.

I think we can forgive you this once

[Jonman]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

well, there are bright spots in Marvel / DC. Like Hawkeye and Datredevil for example. Valiant has not produced so far a book that approaches that level of quality.

Youre kidding right? Hawkeye is Marvel's best book, arguably for sure, but I'd contend Harby and X-O "approach that level of quality".

Anyway, I never said they didn't have some good books. My point is they are driven by the film industry, thus I wouldn't even consider them a proper comic company anymore.

Nope, Harbinger and X-O Manowar are good but not "comic book class" material like Hawkeye and Daredevil. Harbinger is close but not yet there.

Also, they are not driven by the film industry. They are a total entertainment company and the books feed off the movies and the movies feed off the books. I doubt if the American comic book industry would have survived the mess of the 1990s if the big companies remained insular from changes stimulated by changes outside the comic book industry. If Marvel did not make smart moves in relation to their movie franchises and let the 1990s bankruptcy sink them, I doubt that we would have an industry that could support a resurrection of a bankrupt company like Valiant. That's why I do not get all these hate for Marvel and DC being sellouts or something. It's a very myopic point of view.

Well I guess we disagree as to what constitutes as "comic book class", whatever that means. I will say Harby and X-O are better books than the two you've chosen.

And yes, the sheer size of their company and what drives their creative engines in the comic book industry is just whatever leads into their next movie. Hence why I don't consider them a proper comic company. Some of us like better comics.

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And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

That's a very importance difference right there. Take the Avengers and Dark Knight Rises.

Avengers was a fun romp, full of wit and action but also sparkling characterization scenes between the various cast. It was entertaining.

Dark Knight Rises continued Nolan's trend of using the mask of a superhero to engage the audience in a thoughtful, serious consideration of various political, economical, and social issues. Dark, moody, great action scenes and sparkling characterization moments. It was entertaining.

But which one was the better movie? Which model should superheroes movies generally follow?

It shows the stark contrast developing between the Big Two's movie efforts. Myself, I don't blame them either for making or promoting these films. Both companies are in the business of making a profit (Marvel is unashamedly abashed of saying they want your dollar) so their domination of the box office (and the news feeds) shows how large their companies have grown and the efforts needed for them to remain atop the industry.

I would hope any movies based on Valiant's properties would continue the mature themes of the books while also maintaining some humor and wit.

[Jonman]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

That's a very importance difference right there. Take the Avengers and Dark Knight Rises.

Avengers was a fun romp, full of wit and action but also sparkling characterization scenes between the various cast. It was entertaining.

Dark Knight Rises continued Nolan's trend of using the mask of a superhero to engage the audience in a thoughtful, serious consideration of various political, economical, and social issues. Dark, moody, great action scenes and sparkling characterization moments. It was entertaining.

But which one was the better movie? Which model should superheroes movies generally follow?

It shows the stark contrast developing between the Big Two's movie efforts. Myself, I don't blame them either for making or promoting these films. Both companies are in the business of making a profit (Marvel is unashamedly abashed of saying they want your dollar) so their domination of the box office (and the news feeds) shows how large their companies have grown and the efforts needed for them to remain atop the industry.

I would hope any movies based on Valiant's properties would continue the mature themes of the books while also maintaining some humor and wit.

Yeah and don't get me wrong, I rather enjoy living in a time where comic book fans get tons of movies a year now. It's great. I'm just saying that maybe the big 2's comics are suffering as a result. Just an observation really. But that's why I've turned to Valiant for comic book storytelling, IMO they are superior at that right now. And I'm glad to here they know the movies are a different ball game, but still intend to uphold the integrity of their characters and mythologies, something the big 2 seem not to care about sometimes.

[MarkRoseHFX]

I didn't get a chance to live tweet this because I was busy recording the panel. My phone can only do one of the two at a time.

I should have the audio posted up sometime in the next couple days.

forget the tweets it's awesome that you recorded the panel

[The Dirt Gang]

I didn't get a chance to live tweet this because I was busy recording the panel. My phone can only do one of the two at a time.

I should have the audio posted up sometime in the next couple days.

forget the tweets it's awesome that you recorded the panel

+1

[bygranddesign]

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

Matt Kindt agrees with you...

[lorddunlow]

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

Matt Kindt agrees with you...

Told you it would make a great caption contest!

[BugsySig]

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

Matt Kindt agrees with you...

Told you it would make a great caption contest!

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

[lorddunlow]

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

Most definitely. Warren's might be better than Kindt's. It's like he zoned out as this is Dysart's twenty-third time giving the same answer and he's thinking about breasts.

[BugsySig]

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

Most definitely. Warren's might be better than Kindt's. It's like he zoned out as this is Dysart's twenty-third time giving the same answer and he's thinking about breasts.

Dino's = Beewbs

[lorddunlow]

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

Most definitely. Warren's might be better than Kindt's. It's like he zoned out as this is Dysart's twenty-third time giving the same answer and he's thinking about breasts.

Dino's = Beewbs

Agreed. I think the look on V. Ditty's face just shows the utter contempt he has for Dysart.

[bygranddesign]

Brian refused to let me ask a question so I went to Dino directly.

Q: Has the Shadowman script been turned in yet?

Dino: I got it 2 weeks ago and I read it. It's a good first draft, we are moving in the right direction. We are going to have a meeting in a few weeks and discuss the pluses and minuses and give notes for the 2nd draft(*not word for word from Dinesh, this is basically what he said)

doesn't sound like a very enthusiastic endorsement of JMS's script. If Dino really liked it - I think we would have heard a lot of positive buzz back about how great of a 1st draft it was already (and not have had to ask him about it before he would talk about it). Just my speculation but I think the problem is that this new Shadowman is very different from the original version and I believe JMS was writing the script based on the original character. JMS talked excitedly about why he was writing this script and it was because Shadowman was different from most of the superheroes we see on the big screen - African-American superhero, Voodoo, Jazz, New Orleans. I wouldn't be surprised if Jack as a Jazz Musician and music in general was a huge part of his script. And in this new version Jack is not a musician and the comic has little to no musical vibe to it and the city of new orleans hasn't been as integral. So i wonder if that was an issue - I could definitely understand why Dino (and company) would want the script to resemble more the new incarnation of SM and the mythology that is currently being created.

If I had my wish - The script would take most of Justin Jordan's ideas (including the origin of Darque, the deadside, the abbetors, the shadowman history, the brethren, the way magic works..etc) And just add more of a musical vibe and a real feeling of love for the city of New Orleans. And I would want Jack to resemble more the original version (saxophone player, troubled/free spirit).

Shadowman #0, #1-4 of the new run with some changes to Jack's character would be a nice template I think for a first movie.

[Blood of Heroes]

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

Most definitely. Warren's might be better than Kindt's. It's like he zoned out as this is Dysart's twenty-third time giving the same answer and he's thinking about breasts.

Dino's = Beewbs

Agreed. I think the look on V. Ditty's face just shows the utter contempt he has for Dysart.

Josh did start the panel by ragging on Robert's purple shirt.


And Kindt looked like that throughout the whole panel. Maybe that's just how he usually looks. He was a pretty interesting guy to listen to too. He said while prepping for Bloodshot 0 he had to think of all sorts of gruesome ways for people to die, as the bar has been set pretty high.

[bygranddesign]

This needs separate thought bubbles for V-ditty, Kindt, Warren and Dino...their faces while Josh is talking are all priceless.

lol ...

V-ditty "I wonder if he knows I can kill him with my brain?"
Kindt "Keep talking smarty pants .. Mind MGMT just got picked up by a major movie studio. Cha-ching!"
Warren "ugghh... when will it sttoooooopp!! Time to go to my happy place. Beer, babes and BSG all night long..ahhh"
Dinesh "What did I get myself into.... "

[hawkeyeps]

We all know Dysart loves to talk

-Brian

Matt Kindt agrees with you...

Matt Kindt is rocking the classic internet meme "B!+ch please..."

[erwinrafael]

And lets be honest, it's not like their movies ever aim to do anything besides action or comedy. With the exception of maybe Nolan's Batman films, no Marvel or DC movies even attempt to be brave and make social or political observations. They're usually pretty mindless. Valiant comics so far, only a little over a year in, have accomplished more than that from a storytelling standpoint.

Not that I don't enjoy superhero movies. But that's the observation I'm making: the big 2 have become mindless nostalgic fun for me. But when I want thoughtful, introspective, comics with mature themes, I read Valiant.

well, there are bright spots in Marvel / DC. Like Hawkeye and Datredevil for example. Valiant has not produced so far a book that approaches that level of quality.

Youre kidding right? Hawkeye is Marvel's best book, arguably for sure, but I'd contend Harby and X-O "approach that level of quality".

Anyway, I never said they didn't have some good books. My point is they are driven by the film industry, thus I wouldn't even consider them a proper comic company anymore.

Nope, Harbinger and X-O Manowar are good but not "comic book class" material like Hawkeye and Daredevil. Harbinger is close but not yet there.

Also, they are not driven by the film industry. They are a total entertainment company and the books feed off the movies and the movies feed off the books. I doubt if the American comic book industry would have survived the mess of the 1990s if the big companies remained insular from changes stimulated by changes outside the comic book industry. If Marvel did not make smart moves in relation to their movie franchises and let the 1990s bankruptcy sink them, I doubt that we would have an industry that could support a resurrection of a bankrupt company like Valiant. That's why I do not get all these hate for Marvel and DC being sellouts or something. It's a very myopic point of view.

Well I guess we disagree as to what constitutes as "comic book class", whatever that means. I will say Harby and X-O are better books than the two you've chosen.

And yes, the sheer size of their company and what drives their creative engines in the comic book industry is just whatever leads into their next movie. Hence why I don't consider them a proper comic company. Some of us like better comics.

When I said "comic book class" material, I meant material that can be used in a comic book writing or illustration course to show how to tell a story using the unique tricks of the comic book storytelling medium.

Again, the aligning of Marvel of their comic books to the movies is really overblown. What are the major events that drive the storyline of Marvel comics today and in recent history?

-Scarlet Witch depowered mutants, subsequently repowered by Phoenix force
- Avengers vs. X-Men
- superhero registration act
- death of Captain America
- Skrull invasion
- Otto Octavius as Spider-man
- Avengers world, greatly expanding the roster
- the Illuminati trying to stop universes from colliding
- Cyclops' X-Men waging a "mutant revolution"
- the 1963 original X-Men travelling in time to the present
- reemergence of Red Skull (with Xavier's brain) and Apocalypse as serious threats

Are any of these in the movies? NO. NONE ARE IN THE MOVIES. and we will generalize Marvel Comics as letting their comic books follow the movies just because of few token moves as introducing Agent Coulson and a black Nick Fury Jr.? Please.