QUANTUM & WOODY IN JULY!!!

[Zaphod]

This is the first VEI title that I am kind of indifferent to. I will pick it up, but it's really going to have to wow me.

As for the Trinity Angels guy, I actually hope VEI publishes it and *SQUEE* him off. It serves him right. He had what, 10 years to get the rights back? What was he doing all that time?

I actually think it's more of the case of a guy putting it out there that he wants work.

Actually I would say as a the creator, who signed a contract saying he had the reversion rights, he does deserve some consideration. Per his posts trying to get the rights initially, meant going up at first against Acclaims lawyers, bankrupt or not, he would have gotten destroyed. Then look at all the years of *SQUEE* Dino & Co had to go through with bankruptcy and (cough) Not Dynamite (/Cough) trademark nonsense, I would say he was fairly sensible.

By all account Trinity Angels was one of my least favorite books in VH2, having said that, doesnt mean I wouldnt want the creators fairly compensated. Saying it serves you right for being interested in a future plans for a comic you created with the promise of creator ownership, seems kind of shortsighted.

-neil

I see what you are getting at and mostly, I agree. But these properties went through Bankruptcy court, I am no lawyer but I am pretty sure that changes everything about those properties. He says he didn't want to spend the money to try and get his properties back, now that some people did spend that money to get control of those properties, he wants a cut of the pie.

That seems even more wrong to me. Classic "creator hand-out syndrome" he says he didn't want to spend the money it would take to fight for his property but now he is entitled. There was a custody hearing for your "children" and you didn't show up, dead-beat dad. Now go and cry about your paternal rights on the interwebs and play the victim.

[BugsySig]

Valiant retweeted the following from their official twitter account:

Dear @ValiantComics: I like you guys. A lot. Please do the right thing by Christopher Priest + MD Bright with this new QUANTAM & WOODY book.

@ValiantComics The previous owners of your properties really kinda hosed Priest/Bright, and I'd like to think you're all better than that.

I don't think they'd be retweeting these from their PR account for everyone to see if things between them and Priest/Bright aren't on the up and up. I expect we will hear more specifics at WonderCon this weekend.

[BugsySig]

This is the first VEI title that I am kind of indifferent to. I will pick it up, but it's really going to have to wow me.

As for the Trinity Angels guy, I actually hope VEI publishes it and *SQUEE* him off. It serves him right. He had what, 10 years to get the rights back? What was he doing all that time?

I actually think it's more of the case of a guy putting it out there that he wants work.

Actually I would say as a the creator, who signed a contract saying he had the reversion rights, he does deserve some consideration. Per his posts trying to get the rights initially, meant going up at first against Acclaims lawyers, bankrupt or not, he would have gotten destroyed. Then look at all the years of *SQUEE* Dino & Co had to go through with bankruptcy and (cough) Not Dynamite (/Cough) trademark nonsense, I would say he was fairly sensible.

By all account Trinity Angels was one of my least favorite books in VH2, having said that, doesnt mean I wouldnt want the creators fairly compensated. Saying it serves you right for being interested in a future plans for a comic you created with the promise of creator ownership, seems kind of shortsighted.

-neil

I see what you are getting at and mostly, I agree. But these properties went through Bankruptcy court, I am no lawyer but I am pretty sure that changes everything about those properties. He says he didn't want to spend the money to try and get his properties back, now that some people did spend that money to get control of those properties, he wants a cut of the pie.

That seems even more wrong to me. Classic "creator hand-out syndrome" he says he didn't want to spend the money it would take to fight for his property but now he is entitled. There was a custody hearing for your "children" and you didn't show up, dead-beat dad. Now go and cry about your paternal rights on the interwebs and play the victim.

Manga4Life and I are attempting to shoot down the Trolls over at the CBR Boards who are going ape *SQUEE* over Priest & Bright not getting a cut, or not getting their due residuals, or VEI not handing over the rights, or some other dumb *SQUEE* they know nothing about except what they read in Priest's blog 8 years ago. But some people just can't be reasoned with no matter how logically we counter them with information like this, or other points brought up here already. It would be nice if some people could keep their panties from bunching up long enough to hear from the actual parties involved (ie, not Kevin Maguire) about an announcement made less than 24 hrs ago.

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[Phantom]

Got Kevin Maguire to sign down the front cover of trinity angles 7 (along the leg) a month ago at the Convension in London.

He also remarked the cover of trinity angles 10!


He seemed to really enjoy the fact I brought along the comics.
Spoke to him about the change in costumes making them easier to draw.
Was a lovely friendly guy.

Shame that Accliam handled the contracts poorly. Saying that, its not Valiant Entertainments fault what happened with another companies contract.

[iwantvaliant]

This is the first VEI title that I am kind of indifferent to. I will pick it up, but it's really going to have to wow me.

As for the Trinity Angels guy, I actually hope VEI publishes it and *SQUEE* him off. It serves him right. He had what, 10 years to get the rights back? What was he doing all that time?

I actually think it's more of the case of a guy putting it out there that he wants work.

Actually I would say as a the creator, who signed a contract saying he had the reversion rights, he does deserve some consideration. Per his posts trying to get the rights initially, meant going up at first against Acclaims lawyers, bankrupt or not, he would have gotten destroyed. Then look at all the years of *SQUEE* Dino & Co had to go through with bankruptcy and (cough) Not Dynamite (/Cough) trademark nonsense, I would say he was fairly sensible.

By all account Trinity Angels was one of my least favorite books in VH2, having said that, doesnt mean I wouldnt want the creators fairly compensated. Saying it serves you right for being interested in a future plans for a comic you created with the promise of creator ownership, seems kind of shortsighted.

-neil

I see what you are getting at and mostly, I agree. But these properties went through Bankruptcy court, I am no lawyer but I am pretty sure that changes everything about those properties. He says he didn't want to spend the money to try and get his properties back, now that some people did spend that money to get control of those properties, he wants a cut of the pie.

That seems even more wrong to me. Classic "creator hand-out syndrome" he says he didn't want to spend the money it would take to fight for his property but now he is entitled. There was a custody hearing for your "children" and you didn't show up, dead-beat dad. Now go and cry about your paternal rights on the interwebs and play the victim.

Manga4Life and I are attempting to shoot down the Trolls over at the CBR Boards who are going ape *SQUEE* over Priest & Bright not getting a cut, or not getting their due residuals, or VEI not handing over the rights, or some other dumb *SQUEE* they know nothing about except what they read in Priest's blog 8 years ago. But some people just can't be reasoned with no matter how logically we counter them with information like this, or other points brought up here already. It would be nice if some people could keep their panties from bunching up long enough to hear from the actual parties involved (ie, not Kevin Maguire) about an announcement made less than 24 hrs ago.

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[Phantom]

Not meaning to post images to go off topic.
Just that I spoke to him recently (although briefly) and the topic is about trinity Angles.

[hulk181man]

This thread has me thinking back to the old series and some of it's classic moments...

The scene where they're at a mall, pass by an arcade and there is a guy dressed like the Acclaim Ninjak outside doing pretend karate moves to advertise the game. Woody busts out laughing so hard at the poor guy... and laughs and laughs... till ultimately the poor sap storms off in a huff.

When they switched bodies, had to go to the bathroom, and held each others' members because it's really their own members.

My nominee for funniest comic moment of all time. Ranks up there with Batman one-shotting Guy Gardner.

[jedimarley]

This thread has me thinking back to the old series and some of it's classic moments...

The scene where they're at a mall, pass by an arcade and there is a guy dressed like the Acclaim Ninjak outside doing pretend karate moves to advertise the game. Woody busts out laughing so hard at the poor guy... and laughs and laughs... till ultimately the poor sap storms off in a huff.

When they switched bodies, had to go to the bathroom, and held each others' members because it's really their own members.

My nominee for funniest comic moment of all time. Ranks up there with Batman one-shotting Guy Gardner.

That is a great comparison!

[hulk181man]

Very, very happy to see this news. Q&W was one of the few high points during the Acclaim years. Excellent stories, clever characterization and beautiful artwork. Aside from the BWS issues, this series was much better than Archer & Armstrong IMO.

One thing I would love to see....the unpublished Acclaim stories (22-31) in print via a tpb, limited series. etc. Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

[hulk181man]

This thread has me thinking back to the old series and some of it's classic moments...

The scene where they're at a mall, pass by an arcade and there is a guy dressed like the Acclaim Ninjak outside doing pretend karate moves to advertise the game. Woody busts out laughing so hard at the poor guy... and laughs and laughs... till ultimately the poor sap storms off in a huff.

When they switched bodies, had to go to the bathroom, and held each others' members because it's really their own members.

My nominee for funniest comic moment of all time. Ranks up there with Batman one-shotting Guy Gardner.

That is a great comparison!

Hey Frank! What it be?

[jedimarley]

Very, very happy to see this news. Q&W was one of the few high points during the Acclaim years. Excellent stories, clever characterization and beautiful artwork. Aside from the BWS issues, this series was much better than Archer & Armstrong IMO.

One thing I would love to see....the unpublished Acclaim stories (22-31) in print via a tpb, limited series. etc. Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

Dino??? You reading this????

[jedimarley]

This thread has me thinking back to the old series and some of it's classic moments...

The scene where they're at a mall, pass by an arcade and there is a guy dressed like the Acclaim Ninjak outside doing pretend karate moves to advertise the game. Woody busts out laughing so hard at the poor guy... and laughs and laughs... till ultimately the poor sap storms off in a huff.

When they switched bodies, had to go to the bathroom, and held each others' members because it's really their own members.

My nominee for funniest comic moment of all time. Ranks up there with Batman one-shotting Guy Gardner.

That is a great comparison!

Hey Frank! What it be?

What up D! Have you heard from Big Kev lately??

[400yrs]

Q & W without Priest's unique voice and Doc's art seems like Watchmen without Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, interesting for some people but not my thing.

-Neil

That's kind of the feeling I'm getting from reading the previews. The black boxes don't feel right. I don't like the way that Woody's face (and especially the young Woody) is right at all.

That Marcos Martin cover is awesome though.

[nutflush76]

A couple of things,

First, when the properties went through bankruptcy, Maguire could have put in a claim as an owner of the property. Whether or not he did that I am not sure. He either didn't, or the court ruled against him. Either way the characters aren't his.

according to CBR, Things are in the works with Priest and Bright. So those guys are definitely in the loop with the new series, even if they aren't the creators on it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=44482

Man, all this back and forth with all the creator's rights and who owns what is more interesting to me than the book!

I'm gonna go read about 10 major comic book disputes now: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-comi ... 20217.html

Anybody want to lay odds that Maguire and Trinity Angels are NOT on that list?

[hulk181man]

This thread has me thinking back to the old series and some of it's classic moments...

The scene where they're at a mall, pass by an arcade and there is a guy dressed like the Acclaim Ninjak outside doing pretend karate moves to advertise the game. Woody busts out laughing so hard at the poor guy... and laughs and laughs... till ultimately the poor sap storms off in a huff.

When they switched bodies, had to go to the bathroom, and held each others' members because it's really their own members.

My nominee for funniest comic moment of all time. Ranks up there with Batman one-shotting Guy Gardner.

That is a great comparison!

Hey Frank! What it be?

What up D! Have you heard from Big Kev lately??

I have not, but I haven't been around much lately either. Hopefully he's reading and enjoying the relaunch.

[BugsySig]

A couple of things,

First, when the properties went through bankruptcy, Maguire could have put in a claim as an owner of the property. Whether or not he did that I am not sure. He either didn't, or the court ruled against him. Either way the characters aren't his.

according to CBR, Things are in the works with Priest and Bright. So those guys are definitely in the loop with the new series, even if they aren't the creators on it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=44482

Man, all this back and forth with all the creator's rights and who owns what is more interesting to me than the book!

I'm gonna go read about 10 major comic book disputes now: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-comi ... 20217.html

Anybody want to lay odds that Maguire and Trinity Angels are NOT on that list?

Posters on the CBR boards just do not get that I have given up trying to relay that simple message after being repeatedly attacked and rebuffed with the same tired lines about some contract that may or may not have existed 10 years ago, and how they won't read Q&W unless Priest and Bright are compensated for their creations. I'm sorry, did they not get paid for their work for hire by Acclaim? Should VEI sign over the rights to an IP they legally purchased and have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in? I'm all for creator rights, but give me a *SQUEE* break.

[FormerReader]

Posters on the CBR boards just do not get that I have given up trying to relay that simple message after being repeatedly attacked and rebuffed with the same tired lines about some contract that may or may not have existed 10 years ago, and how they won't read Q&W unless Priest and Bright are compensated for their creations. I'm sorry, did they not get paid for their work for hire by Acclaim? Should VEI sign over the rights to an IP they legally purchased and have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in? I'm all for creator rights, but give me a *SQUEE* break.

Right there with you. Acclaim is the company they supposedly had this contract with. Acclaim went bankrupt. They are gone. Valiant bought all the rights to the properties through the bankruptcy. So now that Valiant has spent their money to buy these properties the creators are owed something?!?!?! Valiant owes these guys nothing. I am sorry for what supposedly happened to them, but they are owed nothing.

[jmatt]

Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

You know what would be cooler? Priest and Bright doing the legwork and spending all the money to get those books published, marketed and sold and then compensating Valiant for getting them out of bankruptcy.

They were paid for the work they did. They had an opportunity to buy back the rights. They didn't. They had the opportunity to fight for them in bankruptcy court. They didn't. End of story.

[hawkeyeps]

A couple of things,

First, when the properties went through bankruptcy, Maguire could have put in a claim as an owner of the property. Whether or not he did that I am not sure. He either didn't, or the court ruled against him. Either way the characters aren't his.

according to CBR, Things are in the works with Priest and Bright. So those guys are definitely in the loop with the new series, even if they aren't the creators on it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=44482

Man, all this back and forth with all the creator's rights and who owns what is more interesting to me than the book!

I'm gonna go read about 10 major comic book disputes now: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-comi ... 20217.html

Anybody want to lay odds that Maguire and Trinity Angels are NOT on that list?

Posters on the CBR boards just do not get that I have given up trying to relay that simple message after being repeatedly attacked and rebuffed with the same tired lines about some contract that may or may not have existed 10 years ago, and how they won't read Q&W unless Priest and Bright are compensated for their creations. I'm sorry, did they not get paid for their work for hire by Acclaim? Should VEI sign over the rights to an IP they legally purchased and have invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in? I'm all for creator rights, but give me a *SQUEE* break.

You are goin' at it hammer and tong over there Bro

[magnusr]

Only read #1 of the old series. What's the relevance of the goat? Or just there for comedy purposes?

Followup to my previous answer. Just saw this page:
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics ... _and_Woody" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The last entry in the quotes section explains the goat.

/Magnus

[ian_house]

A couple of things,

First, when the properties went through bankruptcy, Maguire could have put in a claim as an owner of the property. Whether or not he did that I am not sure. He either didn't, or the court ruled against him. Either way the characters aren't his.

according to CBR, Things are in the works with Priest and Bright. So those guys are definitely in the loop with the new series, even if they aren't the creators on it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=44482

Man, all this back and forth with all the creator's rights and who owns what is more interesting to me than the book!
I'm gonna go read about 10 major comic book disputes now: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-comi ... 20217.html

Anybody want to lay odds that Maguire and Trinity Angels are NOT on that list?

That's the problem, it is to most people, especially comics trolls.

[erwinrafael]

After thinking about it over two days, I finally realized why QUantum and Woody is the next title they published. It's the one that makes the most sense from a business standpoint.

A substantial portion of the regular readers of the first five titles are fans of VH1. VEI wants to expand its market and if they go with a popular VH1 character, it would have a higher probability of causing sales attrition among the first five titles because some of the VH1 fans might not have enough funds to add another title and might be forced to drop a VEI book in order to purchase the new title. Quantum and Woody is the most popular property they have that has the least probability to cannibalize the sales of the five VEI titles and has the higher probability to bring in a set of readers that is not in its traditional VH1 fan base.

[BugsySig]

After thinking about it over two days, I finally realized why QUantum and Woody is the next title they published. It's the one that makes the most sense from a business standpoint.

A substantial portion of the regular readers of the first five titles are fans of VH1. VEI wants to expand its market and if they go with a popular VH1 character, it would have a higher probability of causing sales attrition among the first five titles because some of the VH1 fans might not have enough funds to add another title and might be forced to drop a VEI book in order to purchase the new title. Quantum and Woody is the most popular property they have that has the least probability to cannibalize the sales of the five VEI titles and has the higher probability to bring in a set of readers that is not in its traditional VH1 fan base.

I agree. This is the one book that has a following outside the typical VH1 fan. It is also still one of the most recognizable IPs...even more so than some of the other speculated new titles.

A couple of things,

First, when the properties went through bankruptcy, Maguire could have put in a claim as an owner of the property. Whether or not he did that I am not sure. He either didn't, or the court ruled against him. Either way the characters aren't his.

according to CBR, Things are in the works with Priest and Bright. So those guys are definitely in the loop with the new series, even if they aren't the creators on it:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page ... e&id=44482

Man, all this back and forth with all the creator's rights and who owns what is more interesting to me than the book!
I'm gonna go read about 10 major comic book disputes now: http://www.newsarama.com/comics/10-comi ... 20217.html

Anybody want to lay odds that Maguire and Trinity Angels are NOT on that list?

That's the problem, it is to most people, especially comics trolls.

QFT, Bro.

Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

You know what would be cooler? Priest and Bright doing the legwork and spending all the money to get those books published, marketed and sold and then compensating Valiant for getting them out of bankruptcy.

They were paid for the work they did. They had an opportunity to buy back the rights. They didn't. They had the opportunity to fight for them in bankruptcy court. They didn't. End of story.

Fo shizzle my noogie.

[ncameron]

Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

You know what would be cooler? Priest and Bright doing the legwork and spending all the money to get those books published, marketed and sold and then compensating Valiant for getting them out of bankruptcy.

They were paid for the work they did. They had an opportunity to buy back the rights. They didn't. They had the opportunity to fight for them in bankruptcy court. They didn't. End of story.

I would think that in an over simplified sort of way that may hold true, but as with everything in American copyright law, just because something makes sense, doesn't mean it's true.

I think this is something that comes about in the comics industry more than anywhere else, given the well known fights for Superman, Captain America, and the soon coming to a court room near you, the Marvel Universe. In each of those cases, fans have already made their minds up, and the outrage given the questionable nature of the Q & W ownership, is reigniting those feelings. I mean is there anything more Superheroesque than the outgunned creator defeating the evil corporation for the rights to his or her creation.

Personally I feel that Priest + Brights' work are so intertwined into how I feel about that book, and that outside of them concluding their story, anything but them will read like really good fan-fiction. Thats not to say Asmus's writing will be bad, or that the art wont be as good. The art of the book looks quite nice. I hope it does very well.

-Neil

[BugsySig]

Another cool move would be to publish those stories and compensate Priest, Bright etc. for publication of their original work.

You know what would be cooler? Priest and Bright doing the legwork and spending all the money to get those books published, marketed and sold and then compensating Valiant for getting them out of bankruptcy.

They were paid for the work they did. They had an opportunity to buy back the rights. They didn't. They had the opportunity to fight for them in bankruptcy court. They didn't. End of story.

I would think that in an over simplified sort of way that may hold true, but as with everything in American copyright law, just because something makes sense, doesn't mean it's true.

I think this is something that comes about in the comics industry more than anywhere else, given the well known fights for Superman, Captain America, and the soon coming to a court room near you, the Marvel Universe. In each of those cases, fans have already made their minds up, and the outrage given the questionable nature of the Q & W ownership, is reigniting those feelings. I mean is there anything more Superheroesque than the outgunned creator defeating the evil corporation for the rights to his or her creation.

Personally I feel that Priest + Brights' work are so intertwined into how I feel about that book, and that outside of them concluding their story, anything but them will read like really good fan-fiction. Thats not to say Asmus's writing will be bad, or that the art wont be as good. The art of the book looks quite nice. I hope it does very well.

-Neil

But VEI is hardly the evil corporation. Technically they are still two dudes who bought their favorite comic book characters.

If anything, they are the heroes who triumphed against the evil corporate menace once known as Ach-Lame