something ive noticied

[swtor1091]

So Archer & Armstrong is related to the Valiant Universe through Project Rising Spirit which connects that title with Bloodshot and Harbinger. The thing I have a major problem with is their ALL suppossed to be in a shared universe right. X-O, Shadowman, A&A, Harbinger, and Bloodshot. So why not have X-O fighting the military in the roman collusium while A&A drove past in issue 2, or why isn't X-O and the invasion on the news when Torque is watching TV wehn we first met him in issue 8 of harbinger. Sure he wouldn't be watching the news but if a huge invasion happen wouldnt it be breaking news. When do you guys think well get a hint of Shadowman or X-O being in the same universe as the others. Perhaps when X-O gets back from Loam PRS will go after the suit or already have parts of the suit thanks to the invasion that Gafti stopped. What do you all think?

[Dr. Solar]

I think there's such a thing as too connected.

In the real world, most things aren't connected.

[lorddunlow]

I think there's such a thing as too connected.

In the real world, most things aren't connected.

Or so you think....

[grendeljd]

I think there's such a thing as too connected.

In the real world, most things aren't connected.

+1

If it all starts to get too connected the concepts will start inbreeding and the VU will implode on itself like VH1 did.

Having said that, I do agree that it would be nice to see the alien invasion show up on the news or in conversation in the other titles... That's kind of a pretty big deal, I think there should be some evidence or hints of a worldwide reaction to it in the other books. Just to help set the VU further apart from the big2 superhero universes, where huge mega crossover events that affect everybody are virtually forgotten the month after you're done emptying your wallet for them.

[Dr. Solar]

My hunch is that the thwarted invasion we saw in X-O #10 will be met with a "WTF" reaction from the various militaries of the world, and the destruction of the invasion fleet will be blamed on being a high atmosphere nuclear detonation by North Korea.

I also expect the US Military will see that X-O and those Commando suits in action and think, "we should armor our marines".

[nonplayer]

If something happened like that right now as I write this I know by tomorrow we would all be saying
Here wtf did you see the videos of the meteorite hitting Russia!??
Or the tsunami! Any big incident that makes headlines would go very fast through the web. My mom for
God sakes emails and or calls for less. The Rome military could keep it under wraps. But not a landing craft
With guys fighting and things in the sky going kaaaablawwi. There would also be meteorites from the busted
Up ship. So it would be very unrealistic for such an event not show up in the news. Aka another shared universe comic. Perhaps Peater will hear other people thinking about it. Or it could be a good distraction for faith and Peater to rescue the others.

[MarrowMan]

I could see that there might be some kind of tenuous connection between the VEI titles, but most of the characters therein pretty much have their own problems to contend with. Maybe after some more time has passed with the books establishing the characters and plots, maybe then would be a better time for more "VH1 Style" intermingling.

[hawkeyeps]

Have them all in the same airport catching seperate flights

[jmatt]

I get what the OP is saying but it doesn't detract anything for me. The books need some separation so they're not tripping all over each other. Lots of things in the world are big news but it doesn't remove the immediacy of having to deal with the dire situation at hand.

Bloodshot had his hands full. Seeing a TV news report that he then ignores because he has to focus on breaking into the PRS Headquarters doesn't really add much, imo.

When it makes sense for the direction of the plot, we will see the inter-connectivity.

[BugsySig]

On the Harbinger #1 cover (or maybe one of the interior pages) one of the thought bubbles said something like, "Explosions in Italy? I knew it!".

[erwinrafael]

So Archer & Armstrong is related to the Valiant Universe through Project Rising Spirit which connects that title with Bloodshot and Harbinger. The thing I have a major problem with is their ALL suppossed to be in a shared universe right. X-O, Shadowman, A&A, Harbinger, and Bloodshot. So why not have X-O fighting the military in the roman collusium while A&A drove past in issue 2, or why isn't X-O and the invasion on the news when Torque is watching TV wehn we first met him in issue 8 of harbinger. Sure he wouldn't be watching the news but if a huge invasion happen wouldnt it be breaking news. When do you guys think well get a hint of Shadowman or X-O being in the same universe as the others. Perhaps when X-O gets back from Loam PRS will go after the suit or already have parts of the suit thanks to the invasion that Gafti stopped. What do you all think?

I think the answer to that is that the probability of two events happening at the same time is substantially smaller than they not happening at the same time. Events crossing over between titles is realistically less believable and I would rather that they limit such instances only when they forward a story.

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

I actually love the thinking of all of this. Yes, if there was an alien invasion, EVERYONE would know about it. Now, yes, granted, the Harbinger renegades are busy, A&A are busy, Shadowman- busy. Bloodshot, yep, pretty damn busy.
But one person who SHOULD be up to speed on things like this is Toyo Harada. International business mogul, military connections. Even PRS should know what's going on, or at least have it on their radar. And how about the Null, or Shadowman's new millionaire nemeses? Those are the people who should have an idea that something like this is happening..... Just saying..

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

I also expect the US Military will see that X-O and those Commando suits in action and think, "we should armor our marines".[/quote]

Hah!

[Bone-A-Fach-ee]

On the Harbinger #1 cover (or maybe one of the interior pages) one of the thought bubbles said something like, "Explosions in Italy? I knew it!".

I just went back and checked. It sure did say that! Great find!

[BugsySig]

While I do want to see the interconnectivity of the universe, I don't need it thrown in my face, or forced into the books.

What happens when editorial decides to show the Vine invasion on the news in Bloodshot just because, then DS decides to jump ahead three weeks in the storyline? It creates more continuity issues than it solves.

I also think, considering the decompressed method of storytelling in these books, the time frames could be all over the place. If the quote from Harbinger #1 is related to events in XO #4 (which we know was on the news because Alexander was watching it), a book that didnt come out until 2 months later, then Pete trains at Harbinger for weeks through issue #5, but XO 4-10 take place over just a few days, then Pete, Kris and Faith are on the road recruiting Psiots....You get what I'm saying.

Without Shooter's anal retentive time markers, there's no way to track the books until they crossover.

[Phoenix8008]

*snip*
Without Shooter's anal retentive time markers, there's no way to track the books until they crossover.

Hey! I liked the time markers!

...But then again I have been accused of being anal-retentive before as well. Hmmm.

P.S. The time markers came in real handy when I was combing the Magnus, Rai, and Psi-Lords books into one linear continuity for my Year 4000 VH1 books!

[BugsySig]

*snip*
Without Shooter's anal retentive time markers, there's no way to track the books until they crossover.

Hey! I liked the time markers!

...But then again I have been accused of being anal-retentive before as well. Hmmm.

P.S. The time markers came in real handy when I was combing the Magnus, Rai, and Psi-Lords books into one linear continuity for my Year 4000 VH1 books!

I'm not saying they were bad. They really helped set VALIANT apart from other companies. But it takes a lot of work and I think it may have been to the detriment of some of the stories at times.

[Shadowman99]

I see what you're saying, but I think that's just far, far *too* much when it comes to interconnectivity.

I completely agree with Jmatt:. "...Bloodshot had his hands full. Seeing a TV news report that he then ignores because he has to focus on breaking into the PRS Headquarters doesn't really add much... When it makes sense for the direction of the plot, we will see the inter-connectivity.".

I think that suggesting we see characters cameo-ing in the backgrounds at every opportunity would in most cases be a bit pointless, and would ultimately serve to just bog the pacing down and lead to all sorts of ill-thought out, convoluted, pointless sequences that the comics can really do without.

Whilst it might be nice to see the occasional subtle inconsequential piece of continuity acknowledgement, for instance, like seeing a news report on a tv in a bar in the background of a panel in some other comic, I'm fairly sure that when universes 'cross over', we'll see it done in coherant ways, like the upcoming Harbinger Wars event, or major story-based continuities like psiots appearing in Bloodshot.

Nice idea, but I don't think that shoehorning continuity at every opportunity regardless of consequence really isn't the right way to do things..

[Xtianhardy]

I also expect the US Military will see that X-O and those Commando suits in action and think, "we should armor our marines".

Hah![/quote]

I think this is a great observation, and we'll probably see something like this happen as the story develops.

Presuming that he does return, I think once X-O returns to Earth following Plant Death there will be some major fallout from his destroying M16 in London. You just don't blow up Britain's spy agency and get away with it/have nobody notice or react to it. I'm thinking once Harbinger Wars and Planet Death are over as events, we are going to see some big changes in the power structure of the Valiant universe.