Valiant Comics Price Report- Discuss/Document Valiant Prices

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

Deathmate

Will recycle centers process the paper from these books, or do their eyes burn too when they read these?

Don't even care. Who else has a set named after them by a friend?

SET DESCRIPTION:
This set is dedicated to my Valiant-collecting buddy Rubiks-Q-Bert.

[bosco685]

Deathmate

Will recycle centers process the paper from these books, or do their eyes burn too when they read these?

Don't even care. Who else has a set named after them by a friend?

SET DESCRIPTION:
This set is dedicated to my Valiant-collecting buddy Rubiks-Q-Bert.

Check the top Aliens 1988 set and see what pedigree he gives Aliens #1.

[bosco685]

Come see me when you are considered a pedigree.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

Come see me when you are considered a pedigree.

I'm going to assume that's a compliment but I don't know...

[bosco685]

Okay, which of you landed this one?

X-O MANOWAR GOLD VALIANT COMIC LOT HARBINGER RAI SOLAR NINJAK CGC 9.8 1 41 60 3

It will be interesting to hear what some of the raw grades end up at.

[bobby97801]

Okay, which of you landed this one?

X-O MANOWAR GOLD VALIANT COMIC LOT HARBINGER RAI SOLAR NINJAK CGC 9.8 1 41 60 3

It will be interesting to hear what some of the raw grades end up at.

I was watching this but it went to high for me.

[iggy101us]

Okay, which of you landed this one?

X-O MANOWAR GOLD VALIANT COMIC LOT HARBINGER RAI SOLAR NINJAK CGC 9.8 1 41 60 3

It will be interesting to hear what some of the raw grades end up at.

I was watching this but it went to high for me.

Same here.

[Aram]

I'd say anything that is dead 9.8 is worth slabing because someone will buy it eventually. Maybe not for alot, but for at least slightly more than cost of the comic and slabbing it. If you aren't sure and have to prescreen then thats another matter.

I think it's lack of true 9.8 condition and the shipping and feebay fees that prevents profit on commons, not the desirability. If VEI continues to gain steam then I can see even commons fetching decent prices in the future.

I would also disagree. As an example that I have seen first hand, I am interested in putting together a Grant Morrison X-men run in CGC 9.8 and for the most part the entire run raw are dollar books. Most of them I purchased were below $20 shipped which essentially 0 profit for the seller or at least a loss. I could see grading books that people are asking for on forums, but not grade them just because they are 9.8's. I am sure there are people on the boards here that are sitting on long boxes of commons waiting to unload. If any do gain steam, the market willl be flooded and the price drove down again.

Also agreed upon a couple points I missed. I think it's just common sense; if I don't care to spend more than a buck on a common, why would I spend the $30+ (slabbed book plus shipping), for a premium of 3000% just because it's labelled 9.8? Just like there's comics that aren't worth the cost of shipping (in some instances), there's a lot of comics that aren't worth the cost of slabbing. We should start a thread about this.... debating what's worth slabbing in Valiant (I think there's probably only 10-15 or so definite books to be slabbed, the rest fall within a scale depending on condition/book).

I think you underestimate how many true 9.8s are out there after 2 decades. You probably have a better shot at finding pre unity in a quarter bin than finding a true 9.8 even a common in a lcs.

Ya but who cares? You're missing the big point, that there is substantial cost to slabbing lots of common books, and if you can't sell 'em - when it was proved here by a large collector unloading his books - the sum is a significant loss.

Yep. That was depressing to see how much of a bath he took on those books.

If we are talking about a common book like Shadowman #8, then yeah, slab away. If we are talking about Hard Corps #26, you are looking for that one crazy person, if any who is looking for a full run slabbed in 9.8 and you are hoping he doesn't already have it. Otherwise, you are sitting on that crappy book for who knows how long.

See thats the thing, those comics were unloaded at the worst time and obviously just for the sake of unloading them. There are probably more than a few people out there who would love to one day have a full 9.8 set of vh1 and at a cost of about $21 to slab a common, i'd say you have a better chance at a return due to inflation than putting your money in a CD at a bank. I'd say most people just want quick money and high profits as the reason why there are not many slabs, not that there is no demand.

You get Geomancer 1-8 9.8s cost you $20-30 in raws, you pay $170 for grading/shipping and you get an entire run for $200. Guaranteed someone will buy that set as a set for $250-$300 within a year on ebay. That's 33 to 50% profit/ return. And you'd be able to sell that set instantly for $200 and get your money back easy also if you didnt want to wait for a buyer.

[Aram]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

[drmirage]

I dont think the price of $19,000 will be enough for a CGC 9.8 complete run of VH1.

It would be priceless.

[bosco685]

I dont think the price of $19,000 will be enough for a CGC 9.8 complete run of VH1.

It would be priceless.

[GGSAE]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

Clearly I'm talking to a brick wall. If you think you think it's a financially wise thing to do, then go ahead and do this if you want to take the risk. We have proof that slabbing commons is not financially viable, you seem to argue otherwise. Start with those Dr.Mirage NM copies you're looking for, slab them, and then sell them. It's a losing venture - I guarantee it. Ask Iggy about his set of CGC slabs he's re-listed over, and over, and over - you clearly have no idea on the market of slabbed books. Why don't you try and sell that 9.2 PGX book you bought, see if you can profit on that....

This is Iggy's auction...and I apologize because I'm not trying to single him out, but it sticks in my head because it's been re-listed a number of times.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... true&rt=nc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not even at $20 a buck, unsold. And I would say it's better bang for the buck than buying a single slab and getting shipping discounts...this doesn't include all the listing fees, the cost to ship the books to CGC, time to list on ebay, pack them and go to the post office. In rare circumstances a common might make sense to slab, but to blanket grade all common valiants is a losing effort. And you seem to be the only one on this board that thinks otherwise..

[400yrs]

You get Geomancer 1-8 9.8s cost you $20-30 in raws, you pay $170 for grading/shipping and you get an entire run for $200. Guaranteed someone will buy that set as a set for $250-$300 within a year on ebay. That's 33 to 50% profit/ return. And you'd be able to sell that set instantly for $200 and get your money back easy also if you didnt want to wait for a buyer.

Who would buy that crap? You are looking for one specific person who happens to want those specific worthless books slabbed in 9.8. You are looking for someone willing to throw away money on quarter books. Also, how many submissions would you have to send to get all 9.8s?

I'd also like to see you try it and tell us you were right.

[400yrs]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

I think you'd likely spend alot more than $4000 to get books that would really grade out 9.8.

[FormerReader]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

Clearly I'm talking to a brick wall. If you think you think it's a financially wise thing to do, then go ahead and do this if you want to take the risk. We have proof that slabbing commons is not financially viable, you seem to argue otherwise. Start with those Dr.Mirage NM copies you're looking for, slab them, and then sell them. It's a losing venture - I guarantee it. Ask Iggy about his set of CGC slabs he's re-listed over, and over, and over - you clearly have no idea on the market of slabbed books. Why don't you try and sell that 9.2 PGX book you bought, see if you can profit on that....

This is Iggy's auction...and I apologize because I'm not trying to single him out, but it sticks in my head because it's been re-listed a number of times.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... true&rt=nc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not even at $20 a buck, unsold. And I would say it's better bang for the buck than buying a single slab and getting shipping discounts...this doesn't include all the listing fees, the cost to ship the books to CGC, time to list on ebay, pack them and go to the post office. In rare circumstances a common might make sense to slab, but to blanket grade all common valiants is a losing effort. And you seem to be the only one on this board that thinks otherwise..

I agree. You are only going to be able to sell select issues for a profit. The market is very small on the commons. If you want to buy some of the commons in 9.8, do so because you want them in your personal collection, not because you think you will be able to flip them.

[bosco685]

Now if you have George Lucas sign Valiant commons, I hear this brings the big money.

Why George Lucas would sign Valiant books is a question not to be asked. Like Stan Lee signing books he has no involvement in - GREED!

[drmirage]

How about Robert Kirkman sign a Valiant comic? Anything with Robert Kirkman's signature is $$. It would be funny if someone asks these guys if they have read any Valiant books. Wonder what would they say... Hm... er what? Variants... We have plenty of Variants.

Maybe George Lucas and Stan Lee read Valiant books.

I have always wondered if you can SS CGC an artist or writer that has no involvement with the book.

Now if you have George Lucas sign Valiant commons, I hear this brings the big money.

Why George Lucas would sign Valiant books is a question not to be asked. Like Stan Lee signing books he has no involvement in - GREED!

[GGSAE]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

I think you'd likely spend alot more than $4000 to get books that would really grade out 9.8.

Exactly, slabbing 9.8s is not as easy as it sounds...

[GGSAE]

You get Geomancer 1-8 9.8s cost you $20-30 in raws, you pay $170 for grading/shipping and you get an entire run for $200. Guaranteed someone will buy that set as a set for $250-$300 within a year on ebay. That's 33 to 50% profit/ return. And you'd be able to sell that set instantly for $200 and get your money back easy also if you didnt want to wait for a buyer.

Who would buy that crap? You are looking for one specific person who happens to want those specific worthless books slabbed in 9.8. You are looking for someone willing to throw away money on quarter books. Also, how many submissions would you have to send to get all 9.8s?

I'd also like to see you try it and tell us you were right.

Ya, and if I happen to be the only person that wants that book (which I would probably know there's a very limited audience), I will low-ball the hell out of the seller. I'm the only buyer, I will dictate the price, or walk away....

[Aram]

To put it in perspective.. $4000 and some time could net you a likely 9.8 raw set of vh1 regulars and possibly the golds and regular variants. Add $15,000 in grading fees and youd get a 700+ comic cgc mostly 9.8 set for $19,000. I guarantee someone would buy that. Heck, I would, but I'd have to finance it.

Clearly I'm talking to a brick wall. If you think you think it's a financially wise thing to do, then go ahead and do this if you want to take the risk. We have proof that slabbing commons is not financially viable, you seem to argue otherwise. Start with those Dr.Mirage NM copies you're looking for, slab them, and then sell them. It's a losing venture - I guarantee it. Ask Iggy about his set of CGC slabs he's re-listed over, and over, and over - you clearly have no idea on the market of slabbed books. Why don't you try and sell that 9.2 PGX book you bought, see if you can profit on that....

This is Iggy's auction...and I apologize because I'm not trying to single him out, but it sticks in my head because it's been re-listed a number of times.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... true&rt=nc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not even at $20 a buck, unsold. And I would say it's better bang for the buck than buying a single slab and getting shipping discounts...this doesn't include all the listing fees, the cost to ship the books to CGC, time to list on ebay, pack them and go to the post office. In rare circumstances a common might make sense to slab, but to blanket grade all common valiants is a losing effort. And you seem to be the only one on this board that thinks otherwise..

If Iggys BIN was $99 he would have sold it long ago. If He split it up he could have sold most of it long ago.

My example was as creating a "set" of geomancers. This is the reason people do not buy individual issues. If the comics you want don't exist in cgc, why would you buy a few random issues?

However if you can get a set or a run of titles at once, there is far more appeal to buyers.

Who would buy that crap? You are looking for one specific person who happens to want those specific worthless books slabbed in 9.8. You are looking for someone willing to throw away money on quarter books. Also, how many submissions would you have to send to get all 9.8s?

I would buy that crap. If it was a complete 8 issue set, at $30-$35 per issue, $240-$280 total buy it now, I would buy that in a heartbeat, and I bet you there are more than a few other cgc collectors who would as well.

If someone focused on getting sets and runs, then they could make at least $5 profit per common minimum. On a $22-25 investment, that's at least a 20% return. Is that going to support a business? No. But that's a darn nice return for an average joe. Even the 9.6's would likely less at cost so a person would probably not loose money on them, just not make any profit either. A 9.4 would almost certainly be a loss, but once a bunch of slabs got out there in various grades, I bet you people would even start looking for those and lower grades just to have an affordable slabbed copy in their collection. Not to mention the age factor. In another 10 years prices will be higher to grade, and all comics will be slightly rarer to find in good condition with every passing year.

About 1/2 of my cgcs are "common" Doctor Mirage books, and there's no way I'd sell them, even if someone offered me 3 times what I paid. I bought them because I got 75% of the run in one swoop for a great price. If they had been 9.6s and 9.8s mixed or even only 9.6s I still would have bought them for the same price.

Getting 9.8s is not as hard as you suggest if you take the time to submit the right copies and are ok with getting a reasonable amount of 9.6s.

Are you going to get rish of slabbing commons? no. which is why people don't do it. Can you come out ahead? yes. But it requires time, patience and investing your finances. That is the only reason people don't do it. People want to try to make big bucks fast or they don't think it's worth their time.

$4000 for raws is more than $5.70 per book average for the regular issues. $5000 would be over $7 per raw average for the 690+ regular set and the entire thing would still only be around 20k. Hell even at 25k that would be $14 per raw and I'm sure a few people here have spent probably close to that on their collections already.

I just picked up more than 10 9.8 candidates and at least 15 9.6/9.8 candidates of 20-30k print run late VH1 Valiants for an average of $3.50 each within the last week. One day I will submit them for grading, unless someone out there sells me an already graded 9.8 copy for 5-$10 more than what it would cost to grade. And the only likely way any of mine will hit the market is if I submit multiples and have an extra, or if I die, etc.

All anyone has to do is browse the CGC census to see how crazy people are about slabs of even the crappiest comics. All I'm saying is that finding nm+/M raws even in commons and getting them graded CAN and likely would be a financially wise thing to do now, since the issues are NOT out there yet and if there is anything this website has shown over the last decade... it's that there is a sustained demand out there for Valiant comics. All Valiant comics.

Oh and.. Most people do not buy comics because it is... "financially wise".

[bosco685]

Fellas, let's enjoy the discussion about our favorite characters and company. Folks are going to pay for commons in a slab for many reasons. It just wouldn't be consistent sales if any seller was expecting to make a living off of the practice.

1) Fantatical fan addicted to CGC slabbed Valiant books (or any high-grade books in a slab).

2) CGC registry competitors wanting any and all points they can get.

3) Uninformed buyer that doesn't know how common some of these books are, even in CGC 9.6-9.8 (e.g. falls for Ebay listings with "HOT HOT HOT - GET IT WHILE YOU CAN AS THIS BOOK IS RARE. OH - AND I AM NOT A PROFESSIONAL GRADER").

Does it burn out after a while? You bet!

Look at Showcase New England Comics and Colossus Comics. Especially Colossus Comics, who was known to send in whole long boxes of books like Spider-Man 1 to CGC, and at one point sent in 600 copies of Spider-Man 1 that was then talked about on the Collectors Society Forum. He would then turn around and blow them out for $60-$70. But as the market started remembering there are ONE MILLION copies of Spider-Man 1 in various printing formats, this price started dropping down to $19.99 real fast. Then the practice of sending in multiples of a common book died off for them. But there were many dealers slabbing anything 9.8 at one point, and then when they would list them on Ebay for a $.99 starting bid, what do you think they ended at?

As a seller, you can't count on this to be your long-term "stay afloat" play. But there are buyers out there. That's why folks like ZWH and Beachbum on the Collectors Society will take pre-orders for guaranteed 9.8 books as a service ONLY IF you commit in advance if they find a 9.8 common you are looking for, then they will slab it.

[GGSAE]

Aram, your argument has so many holes in it I don't even know where to begin...it's like you just pick one random argument, then supplement it with another random argument....why not put your money where your mouth is and show us how to profit from it, because otherwise everything you say is fluff. I've traded equities for over 8 years (three of those being professionally), and over the years I would hear some absolutely ridiculous ideas some guys would come up with for a 'strategy'. I told them to put it in practice, and sure enough everyone was a losing venture. I swear you would fit in great with these guys - prove me wrong that you can make money (hell break even!) over the long-term doing this, because the only proof we have now is from a board member taking a major bath.

[Aram]

GGSAE your arguement is fluff because people on this forum right now are willing to pay $25 to $30 or more for commons that they want. All I am saying is that if a person can find and submit commons that people want, it could be done at a cost of around $20-$23 per issue and those wanted slabs would guaranteed sell right now to people at $5 more than that cost within the next year because there is demand and those issues are not on the market.

If I had any extra money to invest in slabbing commons for profit, I would not be doing it because I would be spending that money buying up 1 of every sub $36 shipped 9.8 common on the market right now for my own collection.

Heck I'm willing to pay 55-70$ right now for certain doctor mirage commons. That's proof alone of my point.

People would just rather not take any risks because $5 profit per book is not enough for them on a $20-$25 investment.

[Aram]

Recent ebay sales;

Harbinger 15 sells for 51.95 shipped. 8/20
Secret weapons 11 9.2 sells for 13.25 shipped 8/20
Shadowman 16 9.8 sells for 52.00 shipped 8/14
Archer and Armstrong 8 9.8 sells for 47.00 shipped 8/14
Ninjak 1 9.8 sells for 24.99 + shipping 8/12
Shadowman 8 9.8 sells for 77.00 shipped 8/11
Shadowman 13 9.8 sells for 30.00 shipped 4/14


Again, I submit that it is the price of shipping and the greedy high prices asked by sellers on ebay that prevent commons from selling on the market. Not demand.

[StarBrand]

Recent ebay sales;

Harbinger 15 sells for 51.95 shipped. 8/20
Secret weapons 11 9.2 sells for 13.25 shipped 8/20
Shadowman 16 9.8 sells for 52.00 shipped 8/14
Archer and Armstrong 8 9.8 sells for 47.00 shipped 8/14
Ninjak 1 9.8 sells for 24.99 + shipping 8/12
Shadowman 8 9.8 sells for 77.00 shipped 8/11
Shadowman 13 9.8 sells for 30.00 shipped 4/14


Again, I submit that it is the price of shipping and the greedy high prices asked by sellers on ebay that prevent commons from selling on the market. Not demand.

These prices don't surprise me, as it's well known there are collectors out there putting slabbed runs together.