30 bucks for 2nd print X-O!?? WTH, didnt it just come out!!?

[400yrs]

Imho this book will be going for more a year from now.

More than what $30? Zero chance of that (assuming every other valiant hasn't gone through the roof). I saw two listed with $18 BINs that I passed up on, give these more time, the price will come down further.

Yeah, those 2 that were just put up an hour ago? Those aren't going to last long. One was already sold.

I don't disagree that the price on this will come down. It likely will as more flush out.

Where it's at a year from now though....... still too early to tell. I fully expect the price to drop a bit. Then these will settle into permanent collections and they will dry up. The price at that point will either - settle at a low level or be surprisingly (to some) high. This is one of those books that I don't mind having a few extras of. The Aja variants on the other hand, and even the QRs to some extent...... eh.

Agreed. What was the print run for the X-O #1 1:20? I think 2k (less than 5k for sure) and they go for $20 or less.

There is some excitement for them right now, but more of them will hit the market soon enough and the demand will drop off.

The Aja is the right comparison. However, this cover has alot more going for it - wraparound, not your typical X-O in a suit, and it's very detailed.

[Elveen]

Imho this book will be going for more a year from now.

More than what $30? Zero chance of that (assuming every other valiant hasn't gone through the roof). I saw two listed with $18 BINs that I passed up on, give these more time, the price will come down further.

I'll go on the record and say this book will always have "value". $30? Who knows? But it could easily be a $30 book down the road.

The big thing with the book (IMO) is the down the road collectors. These books will be hard to find and hard to find in good condition. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

[jmatt]

Valuable collectibles are often the result of demand for something no one thought was special at the time, when it turns out they can't find one when they want one.

So true. I have one on the way courtesy of Paradise, but I see the scarcity and it makes me want another.

Collecting is weird.

[Aram]

Anything with a low print run that is in demand will retain value.

I'm sure practically no one thought the price variant valiants would be 20-$30 books. Those don't even have different covers and may be higher print runs and in less demand than these.

If these are less than 5000 printed I'd say this may settle between 40-60 for the long run. Just look at EW flat golds.

The good old years for collecting when Valiant was unwanted by most and at low prices is gone and likely gone for the long haul. If VEI keeps up the great work that is.

I think this one and the sketchbook in blank form will be the hard to find items of the new universe permanantly. Timewalker vvss and CEAR territory.

[GGSAE]

Anything with a low print run that is in demand will retain value.

I'm sure practically no one thought the price variant valiants would be 20-$30 books. Those don't even have different covers and may be higher print runs and in less demand than these.

If these are less than 5000 printed I'd say this may settle between 40-60 for the long run. Just look at EW flat golds.

The good old years for collecting when Valiant was unwanted by most and at low prices is gone and likely gone for the long haul. If VEI keeps up the great work that is.

I think this one and the sketchbook in blank form will be the hard to find items of the new universe permanantly. Timewalker vvss and CEAR territory.

I guarantee you this book and the sketchbook will be nowhere near the rarity of the CEAR or the harder to find VVSS. I would venture the vast majority of board members do not have a full set of the VVSS - the CEAR went unnoticed for a decade (and much longer for the VVSS books). Taking the EW for example; I sold my second copy for $225, I would not go lower than that, because it is so ridiculously rare, and my first copy would take A LOT more to get it from me. You see one on ebay about once-twice a year.

I don't agree with the EW golds because those were exclusive variants (as Heath mentioned Valiant had much fewer variant books), where as this second print is a cover of 7! In collecting focus, you might like the second print more than any of the other covers (I admit it's a great cover!) but are you going to go strictly after that book, and avoid the others? Your collecting needs for this book is split 7 ways, instead of just the 2 for the EW golds (EW 1 is a dime a dozen, and these EW golds are basically the same anyway). Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

The price variants were actually much higher than 20-30$, it started with Destroyer 0, then the Visitor books. Then when people noticed a market of prices around $50 or so, people went on the lookout for them and the supply drove the price down much further. Now you can find them unsold for $10-15 a piece, and if you know how to look you can find them in hidden lots for cover.

[400yrs]

Anything with a low print run that is in demand will retain value.

I'm sure practically no one thought the price variant valiants would be 20-$30 books. Those don't even have different covers and may be higher print runs and in less demand than these.

If these are less than 5000 printed I'd say this may settle between 40-60 for the long run. Just look at EW flat golds.

The good old years for collecting when Valiant was unwanted by most and at low prices is gone and likely gone for the long haul. If VEI keeps up the great work that is.

I think this one and the sketchbook in blank form will be the hard to find items of the new universe permanantly. Timewalker vvss and CEAR territory.

I guarantee you this book and the sketchbook will be nowhere near the rarity of the CEAR or the harder to find VVSS. I would venture the vast majority of board members do not have a full set of the VVSS - the CEAR went unnoticed for a decade (and much longer for the VVSS books). Taking the EW for example; I sold my second copy for $225, I would not go lower than that, because it is so ridiculously rare, and my first copy would take A LOT more to get it from me. You see one on ebay about once-twice a year.

I don't agree with the EW golds because those were exclusive variants (as Heath mentioned Valiant had much fewer variant books), where as this second print is a cover of 7! In collecting focus, you might like the second print more than any of the other covers (I admit it's a great cover!) but are you going to go strictly after that book, and avoid the others? Your collecting needs for this book is split 7 ways, instead of just the 2 for the EW golds (EW 1 is a dime a dozen, and these EW golds are basically the same anyway). Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

The price variants were actually much higher than 20-30$, it started with Destroyer 0, then the Visitor books. Then when people noticed a market of prices around $50 or so, people went on the lookout for them and the supply drove the price down much further. Now you can find them unsold for $10-15 a piece, and if you know how to look you can find them in hidden lots for cover.

Yes, these will never be as "rare" as the books you mention above because of the print run numbers. However, what I go back to is that excluding the first run of golds, all those VH1 variants were made of books that sucked. ESPECIALLY the later ones. While the CEAR and the later VVSSs are going to be more rare, that doesn't necessarily mean they are will end up being more desired by greater numbers of people. Is this book likely to be worth as much as those? No, but it could be coveted by more people than those earlier books. Rarity does not always equal popularity.

[400yrs]

Imho this book will be going for more a year from now.

More than what $30? Zero chance of that (assuming every other valiant hasn't gone through the roof). I saw two listed with $18 BINs that I passed up on, give these more time, the price will come down further.

And only about twelve hours after listing all three of those are gone. The seller on those could've done better.

[Aram]

Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

There has been a major influx of prices across the board. Perhaps you haven't noticed it because you haven't been actively trying to buy VH1 issues recently. I paid about 60-80% over gregs guide prices for X-O 1/2 gold and EW Flat gold in the last 60 days and I got them as cheap as I could find them.

I'm sure prices will continue to spike but I really don't see them ever dripping below what they were before VEI hit the market again. Except for the most common issues. Even many commons that were in 50cent bins and listed in greg's guide at $1 are beginning to go for $2 or more again.

[GGSAE]

Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

There has been a major influx of prices across the board. Perhaps you haven't noticed it because you haven't been actively trying to buy VH1 issues recently. I paid about 60-80% over gregs guide prices for X-O 1/2 gold and EW Flat gold in the last 60 days and I got them as cheap as I could find them.

I'm sure prices will continue to spike but I really don't see them ever dripping below what they were before VEI hit the market again. Except for the most common issues. Even many commons that were in 50cent bins and listed in greg's guide at $1 are beginning to go for $2 or more again.

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

[Aram]

Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

There has been a major influx of prices across the board. Perhaps you haven't noticed it because you haven't been actively trying to buy VH1 issues recently. I paid about 60-80% over gregs guide prices for X-O 1/2 gold and EW Flat gold in the last 60 days and I got them as cheap as I could find them.

I'm sure prices will continue to spike but I really don't see them ever dripping below what they were before VEI hit the market again. Except for the most common issues. Even many commons that were in 50cent bins and listed in greg's guide at $1 are beginning to go for $2 or more again.

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

There's a big difference between a collector and a dealer. And a big difference between what they pay normally.

[Aram]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

If you look at the Last 30-60 days on ebay you'd see that all the Flats since May when Valiant hit the shelves have been from 70-$96. That's 100% up to 137% of Greg's Current Guide Price, which was only recently upped to $70.

Same with X-O 1/2 gold. only 2 sold since then and they were for 42-$46. Current Guide Price? $30. Same deal, it just was raised.

That's 140% to 153% of "Current" Guide Price.

So actually... My prices paid were concurrent with the current market weither people want to believe the facts or not.

[GGSAE]

Maybe long-term this will stabilize around 30 or so, like the X-O Gold 1/2 (not nearly as nice as a book, but lower print run), but I really doubt we would see paying people 50-60 down the road without a major influx of prices across the board.

There has been a major influx of prices across the board. Perhaps you haven't noticed it because you haven't been actively trying to buy VH1 issues recently. I paid about 60-80% over gregs guide prices for X-O 1/2 gold and EW Flat gold in the last 60 days and I got them as cheap as I could find them.

I'm sure prices will continue to spike but I really don't see them ever dripping below what they were before VEI hit the market again. Except for the most common issues. Even many commons that were in 50cent bins and listed in greg's guide at $1 are beginning to go for $2 or more again.

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

There's a big difference between a collector and a dealer. And a big difference between what they pay normally.

Huh, i'm not a dealer, what are you talking about?

[GGSAE]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

If you look at the Last 30-60 days on ebay you'd see that all the Flats since May when Valiant hit the shelves have been from 70-$96. That's 100% up to 137% of Greg's Current Guide Price, which was only recently upped to $70.

Same with X-O 1/2 gold. only 2 sold since then and they were for 42-$46. Current Guide Price? $30. Same deal, it just was raised.

That's 140% to 153% of "Current" Guide Price.

So actually... My prices paid were concurrent with the current market weither people want to believe the facts or not.

Have you been following the prices in the last number of years? They fluctuate all the time, in fact if you search of 2009-2010, you'll see the prices of valiants were lower than 2005-2006. And greg's guide, it just that - it's a guide! Even Greg admits it's not a 100% accurate, it would be impossible to do so. There's a lot of people here that don't even use it....the best are when you get guys come to the board for the first time to try and sell their commons for 'guide' at 2-3 bucks a piece, when no one would pay more than .50$/issue. Those guys usually storm off, all *SQUEE* because they think we were trying to screw them over, haha.

[caniac]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

If you look at the Last 30-60 days on ebay you'd see that all the Flats since May when Valiant hit the shelves have been from 70-$96. That's 100% up to 137% of Greg's Current Guide Price, which was only recently upped to $70.

Same with X-O 1/2 gold. only 2 sold since then and they were for 42-$46. Current Guide Price? $30. Same deal, it just was raised.

That's 140% to 153% of "Current" Guide Price.

So actually... My prices paid were concurrent with the current market weither people want to believe the facts or not.

Have you been following the prices in the last number of years? They fluctuate all the time, in fact if you search of 2009-2010, you'll see the prices of valiants were lower than 2005-2006. And greg's guide, it just that - it's a guide! Even Greg admits it's not a 100% accurate, it would be impossible to do so. There's a lot of people here that don't even use it....the best are when you get guys come to the board for the first time to try and sell their commons for 'guide' at 2-3 bucks a piece, when no one would pay more than .50$/issue. Those guys usually storm off, all *SQUEE* because they think we were trying to screw them over, haha.

I'm with you GGSAE I buy on the cheap, got a Harby pink for $10 not too long ago, got the Solar hardcover for $13 a couple of weeks ago, just got Unity 2000 1-3 for $10 plus about 25 more Valiant books...that's just a couple off the top of my head. If you are patient you will find some banging deals.

[GGSAE]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

If you look at the Last 30-60 days on ebay you'd see that all the Flats since May when Valiant hit the shelves have been from 70-$96. That's 100% up to 137% of Greg's Current Guide Price, which was only recently upped to $70.

Same with X-O 1/2 gold. only 2 sold since then and they were for 42-$46. Current Guide Price? $30. Same deal, it just was raised.

That's 140% to 153% of "Current" Guide Price.

So actually... My prices paid were concurrent with the current market weither people want to believe the facts or not.

Have you been following the prices in the last number of years? They fluctuate all the time, in fact if you search of 2009-2010, you'll see the prices of valiants were lower than 2005-2006. And greg's guide, it just that - it's a guide! Even Greg admits it's not a 100% accurate, it would be impossible to do so. There's a lot of people here that don't even use it....the best are when you get guys come to the board for the first time to try and sell their commons for 'guide' at 2-3 bucks a piece, when no one would pay more than .50$/issue. Those guys usually storm off, all *SQUEE* because they think we were trying to screw them over, haha.

I'm with you GGSAE I buy on the cheap, got a Harby pink for $10 not too long ago, got the Solar hardcover for $13 a couple of weeks ago, just got Unity 2000 1-3 for $10 plus about 25 more Valiant books...that's just a couple off the top of my head. If you are patient you will find some banging deals.

The vast majority of board members here have got their Valiants (so or all) for good prices because they've been patient and let the price come to them, instead of chasing the price. There's so many of us on this site that have dozens and dozens of collectable valiants (and that's not including inactives and people off the site).

I also grabbed two more 1:20 Harbinger variants yesterday...to me it's the re-incarnation of VH1 harby 1, at $15-20 I don't know why more people aren't grabbing a copy.

[Aram]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals.

To me; "I buy and sell all the time", is the definition of a dealer.

[Aram]

Have you been following the prices in the last number of years? They fluctuate all the time, in fact if you search of 2009-2010, you'll see the prices of valiants were lower than 2005-2006. And greg's guide, it just that - it's a guide! Even Greg admits it's not a 100% accurate, it would be impossible to do so. There's a lot of people here that don't even use it....the best are when you get guys come to the board for the first time to try and sell their commons for 'guide' at 2-3 bucks a piece, when no one would pay more than .50$/issue. Those guys usually storm off, all *SQUEE* because they think we were trying to screw them over, haha.

I've been here off and on since 2001. Been comparing deals to Greg's guide prices since shortly after then or as soon as the price guide started if it was after 2001, I can't remember that far back. I just never posted much before, if at all. I think I probably might have posted a few times before then lost my email or logins.

at one point I think I went by my real name which is... paul smith.



















j/k

[caniac]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals. I just keep most of my transactions close to heart, information on price is an edge, and it's really no one's business other than me. I grabbed a X-O gold for $4 a few months back, just because you paid more for that, doesn't mean your price was the consensus price (nor was mine).

If you look at the Last 30-60 days on ebay you'd see that all the Flats since May when Valiant hit the shelves have been from 70-$96. That's 100% up to 137% of Greg's Current Guide Price, which was only recently upped to $70.

Same with X-O 1/2 gold. only 2 sold since then and they were for 42-$46. Current Guide Price? $30. Same deal, it just was raised.

That's 140% to 153% of "Current" Guide Price.

So actually... My prices paid were concurrent with the current market weither people want to believe the facts or not.

Have you been following the prices in the last number of years? They fluctuate all the time, in fact if you search of 2009-2010, you'll see the prices of valiants were lower than 2005-2006. And greg's guide, it just that - it's a guide! Even Greg admits it's not a 100% accurate, it would be impossible to do so. There's a lot of people here that don't even use it....the best are when you get guys come to the board for the first time to try and sell their commons for 'guide' at 2-3 bucks a piece, when no one would pay more than .50$/issue. Those guys usually storm off, all *SQUEE* because they think we were trying to screw them over, haha.

I'm with you GGSAE I buy on the cheap, got a Harby pink for $10 not too long ago, got the Solar hardcover for $13 a couple of weeks ago, just got Unity 2000 1-3 for $10 plus about 25 more Valiant books...that's just a couple off the top of my head. If you are patient you will find some banging deals.

The vast majority of board members here have got their Valiants (so or all) for good prices because they've been patient and let the price come to them, instead of chasing the price. There's so many of us on this site that have dozens and dozens of collectable valiants (and that's not including inactives and people off the site).

I also grabbed two more 1:20 Harbinger variants yesterday...to me it's the re-incarnation of VH1 harby 1, at $15-20 I don't know why more people aren't grabbing a copy.

Yeah I have 8 of the 1:20 Harbys...so far...

[GGSAE]

I buy and sell all the time; check out some of my deals in the HOF thread - that represents maybe 20% of my deals.

To me; "I buy and sell all the time", is the definition of a dealer.

A dealer is someone that either links buyers to sellers, earning a spread on the transaction; or maintains an existing inventory and sells from that inventory, while also continuously renewing it (buying collections, etc.) I'm a collector, but I speculate in comics; just like I do with my equity and option trading account; just like the estate auctions I visit; and other business ventures I'm involved in. I only sell extras that I have, or if I feel an asset value is trading at a premium (with the intention of replacing it cheaper), or I may trade/sell to acquire something else I'm interested in. I think a lot of us here think along this way, that regardless if they want something or not, if they have an opportunity to buy a heavily discounted item they surely will.

[Aram]

exactly.

[GGSAE]

exactly.

I'm not sure exactly what that means; but lesson here is if you're looking to buy books that you may be selling shortly afterward, don't buy the first ones you see.

[slimydog]

Found loads of 1st printing everywhere here in SD. You can't find a 2nd printing copy anywhere though. Harbinger variants are almost impossible here too. Go figure.

[betterthanezra]

Found loads of 1st printing everywhere here in SD. You can't find a 2nd printing copy anywhere though. Harbinger variants are almost impossible here too. Go figure.

I'm very intrested in seeing what dealers at SDCC will have some of these Variant priced at on the show floor...

-Brian

[Elveen]

Found loads of 1st printing everywhere here in SD. You can't find a 2nd printing copy anywhere though. Harbinger variants are almost impossible here too. Go figure.

I'm very intrested in seeing what dealers at SDCC will have some of these Variant priced at on the show floor...

-Brian

Me too.

What if no one had any?

[Aram]

Found loads of 1st printing everywhere here in SD. You can't find a 2nd printing copy anywhere though. Harbinger variants are almost impossible here too. Go figure.

I'm very intrested in seeing what dealers at SDCC will have some of these Variant priced at on the show floor...

-Brian

Me too.

What if no one had any?

Probably won't be many... comicchron is reporting only 1449 sold... which very well could put it at rarer than any 1:20 to date! Now factor in that probably as many as 1/2 of them did not go to variant hunters...

and you are approaching 1:50 rarity!