Harbinger #1 question. SPOILERS!

[tchalla8]

I forget what waiting a month to the next issue was like.

This is TORTURE!

It does suck....but it'll be a little easier in a few months when we have more titles to keep us occupied week to week. As it stands now we have 5 weeks until a new Valiant book. That's a looooong wait.

[Dr. Solar]

Reading it in print finally, as opposed to a low-res PDF, yeah, it look's like Pete's foot crushing the pill.

What is cool is that even knowing what it is, there's still a lot of room for interpretation of why it's there and what it means.

That's pretty cool.

[tchalla8]

Reading it in print finally, as opposed to a low-res PDF, yeah, it look's like Pete's foot crushing the pill.

What is cool is that even knowing what it is, there's still a lot of room for interpretation of why it's there and what it means.

That's pretty cool.

apparently this is the most controversial panel in the book

[etos45]

I thought it was Pete's fist punching the pill Joe spit out into the ground.

Pretty sure it's a foot. That looks like a big toe in the front.

I can kinda of see that now.

I think we can call this a failed panel. But 1 out of 100 ain't bad.

I wouldn't call it a failed panel at all...just look at the discussion it's bringing.

I would only agree that it was a failed panel because people couldn't tell what they were looking at. That's not good in a comic book. It was a success as far as getting people to discuss the meaning behind the panel, it was a failure because the discussion started with, "Is it a dog's foot? Pete's foot? A button being pressed? A guy smashing a ring?". Imagine if a whole comic was that hard to decipher?

[BugsySig]

I thought it was Pete's fist punching the pill Joe spit out into the ground.

Pretty sure it's a foot. That looks like a big toe in the front.

I can kinda of see that now.

I think we can call this a failed panel. But 1 out of 100 ain't bad.

I wouldn't call it a failed panel at all...just look at the discussion it's bringing.

I would only agree that it was a failed panel because people couldn't tell what they were looking at. That's not good in a comic book. It was a success as far as getting people to discuss the meaning behind the panel, it was a failure because the discussion started with, "Is it a dog's foot? Pete's foot? A button being pressed? A guy smashing a ring?". Imagine if a whole comic was that hard to decipher?

I think the real issue is the coloring. Because it is drawn as if in moonlight, Pete's foot looks grayish like the dogs instead of flesh toned. If the foot was colored as if in full light, it would not have been confusing IMHO.

[etos45]

I think the real issue is the coloring. Because it is drawn as if in moonlight, Pete's foot looks grayish like the dogs instead of flesh toned. If the foot was colored as if in full light, it would not have been confusing IMHO.

For me, the toes looked too short. That's what I thought it could be the dog's foot until the toenail thing.

[BugsySig]

I think the real issue is the coloring. Because it is drawn as if in moonlight, Pete's foot looks grayish like the dogs instead of flesh toned. If the foot was colored as if in full light, it would not have been confusing IMHO.

For me, the toes looked too short. That's what I thought it could be the dog's foot until the toenail thing.

Well artists say hands and feet are the toughest to draw. I would say Evans' imperfect foot is still a Da Vinci compared to Rob Leifeld.

[Blood of Heroes]

I forget what waiting a month to the next issue was like.

This is TORTURE!

It does suck....but it'll be a little easier in a few months when we have more titles to keep us occupied week to week. As it stands now we have 5 weeks until a new Valiant book. That's a looooong wait.

5 weeks compared to the years and years of waiting? Child's play.

[jmatt]

I thought it was Pete's fist punching the pill Joe spit out into the ground.

Pretty sure it's a foot. That looks like a big toe in the front.

I can kinda of see that now.

I think we can call this a failed panel. But 1 out of 100 ain't bad.

I wouldn't call it a failed panel at all...just look at the discussion it's bringing.

I would only agree that it was a failed panel because people couldn't tell what they were looking at. That's not good in a comic book. It was a success as far as getting people to discuss the meaning behind the panel, it was a failure because the discussion started with, "Is it a dog's foot? Pete's foot? A button being pressed? A guy smashing a ring?". Imagine if a whole comic was that hard to decipher?

Ya gotta believe Khari Evans is reading this and wondering "They think it's a dog's foot!? A ring?!"

[etos45]

Ya gotta believe Khari Evans is reading this and wondering "They think it's a dog's foot!? A ring?!"

Remember, when the first pages for this book came out, a lot of people (myself included) thought Harada was a girl.

[400yrs]

Ya gotta believe Khari Evans is reading this and wondering "They think it's a dog's foot!? A ring?!"

Remember, when the first pages for this book came out, a lot of people (myself included) thought Harada was a girl.

Unfortunately, the lips do make Harada look like a girl.


Regarding the pill panel, when I read it, I had no idea what it was either. I just glossed over it. So that's kind of a fail from a story-telling perspective. It could've been drawn better, but I'm betting they relied on that bright coloring to clue people in because it wasn't drawn well.

IMO, it could've been written better as well. If you swap that panel with the last panel on the page before it, that tells the story a bit better and drives the point home that this happened because Joe didn't take the pill.

[Donovan]

It has to be Pete's foot. In the previous panel, Irons is jumping in mid air, and those are definitely human toe nails.

I think the panel just might have worked better from a different angle, showing a more distinct big toe.

I miss Jim Shooter's blog. If he was still blogging and critiquing comics, this type of ambiguity would send him over the edge!

[etos45]

It has to be Pete's foot. In the previous panel, Irons is jumping in mid air, and those are definitely human toe nails.

I think the panel just might have worked better from a different angle, showing a more distinct big toe.

I miss Jim Shooter's blog. If he was still blogging and critiquing comics, this type of ambiguity would send him over the edge!

I'm pretty sure Joe was wearing shoes anyways. So, yeah, Pete's foot FTW.

Shooter doesn't do a blog anymore?

[shadowhawk2020]

Loved the book for the most part. But PLEASE for the love of all things Valiant drop the "cool" teenage speak. It just seemed out of place.

[MoonChild]

I felt the teenage cool speak very current and necessary. Didn't feel out of place at all to me, that's how young people talk around here..

[Blood of Heroes]

I felt the teenage cool speak very current and necessary. Didn't feel out of place at all to me, that's how young people talk around here..

Also, young people are morons. Of course they're going to talk like that.

[kevinbastos]

I keep thinking of the Ewoks with this.

People who read 1990's Harbinger when it came out - LOVED it.

Reading it now - much tougher because all of the dated references. But that made it unique like Spider-Man was unique in the sixties. Connected to youth of the time.

It's tough connecting to kids at any time - but I think this book threads the needle nicely so far.

[kevinbastos]

I felt the teenage cool speak very current and necessary. Didn't feel out of place at all to me, that's how young people talk around here..

Also, young people are morons. Of course they're going to talk like that.

They're no smarter or dumber than we were at their age. We were just as stupid - just in different ways.

[MoonChild]

Yea, even the smart kids pick up on slang. Stupidity has nothing to do with it at all. It's all culture.

[greg]

Yea, even the smart kids pick up on slang. Stupidity has nothing to do with it at all. It's all culture.

Whatever, dude.

[MoonChild]

Ok, Mary Kate Or Ashley Olsen

Yea, even the smart kids pick up on slang. Stupidity has nothing to do with it at all. It's all culture.

Whatever, dude.

[Blood of Heroes]

I felt the teenage cool speak very current and necessary. Didn't feel out of place at all to me, that's how young people talk around here..

Also, young people are morons. Of course they're going to talk like that.

They're no smarter or dumber than we were at their age. We were just as stupid - just in different ways.

It scares me to think just how stupid I was as a teenager, but I stand by my statement. Young people are morons.



Now get off my lawn!!!

[Ramses818]

In regards to the pill I think it is just a way to illustrate how Pete's friend is the one holding him back. What a set up for a future villain? The scorned friend. Then Harada also appears to be a friend looking out for Pete. I was very taken back by the issue because Pete is far from a good guy like in the original. It will be fun to read what comes next though.

[cjv]

Not sure if this has been suggested yet.

Pete is taking his meds to dull his powers. I initially read the comic with the assumption that Joe is a little short of a full deck.

But, in the original, Pete has the ability to release powers.

If Peter has the same ability here, and he released Joe's powers, and Joe is a little crazy...

then perhaps the significance of the pill being down there is that Joe is not dulling his powers, and we may see something happen next issue?

A crazy guy, with powers who is now free to use them...


Chris

[etos45]

Not sure if this has been suggested yet.

Pete is taking his meds to dull his powers. I initially read the comic with the assumption that Joe is a little short of a full deck.

But, in the original, Pete has the ability to release powers.

If Peter has the same ability here, and he released Joe's powers, and Joe is a little crazy...

then perhaps the significance of the pill being down there is that Joe is not dulling his powers, and we may see something happen next issue?

A crazy guy, with powers who is now free to use them...


Chris

That would be interesting, but it seems that if that were the case then Tull would be more interested in him. I guess it is possible that the "hospital" they were at was a way of detaining people with powers, though, and maybe Tull is the warden and he knows (thinks?) that Pete is the dangerous one.