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This is frustrating... If I knew the book was real I would bid, but I would hate to buy it and have the book be a fake. Greg, what are your thoughts about this auction?

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wyospl wrote:This is frustrating... If I knew the book was real I would bid, but I would hate to buy it and have the book be a fake. Greg, what are your thoughts about this auction?
Well, I already posted that the seller has enough feedback and history of selling high dollar items,
and the ability to post all the photos... so they appear legit.

It's a foreign auction, so there's always an "insured shipping" question to get the books safely to the U.S.
(Or, if you're still worried it might not be legit, the question of whether the purchase is protected by Ebay.)

The Bloodshot Platinum isn't as clean/clear as some we've seen...
but the Platinum book is already either a mistake or a purposeful manipulation of the printing process,
so it's not impossible that an "ugly" Platinum was produced... I've seen the "orange glow edges" on regular editions.

Low confidence is a hard thing to put a dollar amount on for spending... but there's no denying that it has a dollar amount.
I think that number is different for each person. It's similar to how much people allow themselves to spend on lottery tickets.
There's zero confidence that you'll win, but there's still a spending dollar amount involved.

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wyospl wrote:This is frustrating... If I knew the book was real I would bid, but I would hate to buy it and have the book be a fake. Greg, what are your thoughts about this auction?
Well, I already posted that the seller has enough feedback and history of selling high dollar items,
and the ability to post all the photos... so they appear legit.

It's a foreign auction, so there's always an "insured shipping" question to get the books safely to the U.S.
(Or, if you're still worried it might not be legit, the question of whether the purchase is protected by Ebay.)

The Bloodshot Platinum isn't as clean/clear as some we've seen...
but the Platinum book is already either a mistake or a purposeful manipulation of the printing process,
so it's not impossible that an "ugly" Platinum was produced... I've seen the "orange glow edges" on regular editions.

Low confidence is a hard thing to put a dollar amount on for spending... but there's no denying that it has a dollar amount.
I think that number is different for each person. It's similar to how much people allow themselves to spend on lottery tickets.
There's zero confidence that you'll win, but there's still a spending dollar amount involved.
I think the million dollar question Greg, is how did the seller acquire it? If he can provide a good and credible story about how it became into his possession it will definitely help out his auction...this would be the first foreign BS Plat, no?

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An email from the seller:
An ebay Member found the forum and send Me a link about it so I think
I have to answer some Question on the topic about the Bloodshot #0 Platinum legitimacy..
The Comics are not mine but I talked to the Owner just a while ago and He Guaranteed that the BS Plat is 100% Legit.
He used to own the BEST comic book shop here in the Philippines called C.A.T.S Comic and then some..
Though it will be better if I reply on the topic tomorrow because I have to buy an Scanner to post a Clearer and Better image of it:)

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greg wrote:An email from the seller:
An ebay Member found the forum and send Me a link about it so I think
I have to answer some Question on the topic about the Bloodshot #0 Platinum legitimacy..
The Comics are not mine but I talked to the Owner just a while ago and He Guaranteed that the BS Plat is 100% Legit.
He used to own the BEST comic book shop here in the Philippines called C.A.T.S Comic and then some..
Though it will be better if I reply on the topic tomorrow because I have to buy an Scanner to post a Clearer and Better image of it:)
It's definitely in his favor to give out as much info as possible. Nice to see he's taking this seriously and is going to post a better pic. The glare on the pics put up so far are horrible and make it even harder to make a decision on the book.

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GGSAE wrote:
Aram wrote:I wouldn't have posted it if I thought I might have been able to afford to win it. :wink:
How do you know that? Also, doing this kind of makes u look like an *SQUEE*, it's like bidders that bid something up to create activity knowing they won't win it. They're just making the winner pay more money for it, if you're not selling a similar item, I don't understand that...
I disagree. This is a friendly board, and he was just pointing it out as a courtesy. There are many threads where people will point out ongoing auctions and such.

As for not knowing he could afford it, you have no idea how much he has to spend, or what the price was when he first saw it.

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GGSAE wrote:Imagine if you found a CEAR in a dollar bin and while you're at the cash register, the guy in the line next to you tells the owner it's worth a $100, so the owner refuses to sell it to you.
Entirely different scenario. First of all, in your scenario, there is a set price, not an auction. Secondly, in the auction, no one has contacted the seller (to the best of my knowledge) and said "this is worth $XXX, you shouldn't sell it for less than that".
My last point is that I don't know of any other intelligent buyers who do not snipe, or bid very late at the end of the auction. If I bid $100-200 on this lot, clearly I'm suggesting activity, and want to drive up the price: a) knowing I won't be putted to the purchase as it won't sell there, b) In a way because I know I can't afford the auction I'm gaining satisfaction knowing that other ppl will 'pay up for it' like the tactics those guys pull on storage wars.
I don't snipe. Mostly on principle, but also because I don't use eBay enough to warrant it. Probably stupid on my part, but I just like to bid in person.

And lastly, I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the "hardcore" people on the board already had this on their radar, so simply posting about it didn't suddenly create all this competition for this lot. The ONLY way this price would have stayed low is if it was in a hidden lot (someone posting a huge number of books, and there happened to be a Bloodshot Plat in the pile, but it wasn't advertised) or if it really had been a clueless seller who had a low BIN.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:
greg wrote:An email from the seller:
An ebay Member found the forum and send Me a link about it so I think
I have to answer some Question on the topic about the Bloodshot #0 Platinum legitimacy..
The Comics are not mine but I talked to the Owner just a while ago and He Guaranteed that the BS Plat is 100% Legit.
He used to own the BEST comic book shop here in the Philippines called C.A.T.S Comic and then some..
Though it will be better if I reply on the topic tomorrow because I have to buy an Scanner to post a Clearer and Better image of it:)
It's definitely in his favor to give out as much info as possible. Nice to see he's taking this seriously and is going to post a better pic. The glare on the pics put up so far are horrible and make it even harder to make a decision on the book.
More info...
The seller said he checked the inside of the book and sees no signs of tampering.
He's a comic art collector, so he has some experience looking for fake items and tampering,
and he provided a link to his CAF gallery: http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryDeta ... GCat=28283" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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cjv wrote:
GGSAE wrote:
Aram wrote:I wouldn't have posted it if I thought I might have been able to afford to win it. :wink:
How do you know that? Also, doing this kind of makes u look like an *SQUEE*, it's like bidders that bid something up to create activity knowing they won't win it. They're just making the winner pay more money for it, if you're not selling a similar item, I don't understand that...
I disagree. This is a friendly board, and he was just pointing it out as a courtesy. There are many threads where people will point out ongoing auctions and such.

As for not knowing he could afford it, you have no idea how much he has to spend, or what the price was when he first saw it.

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If you look at my other posts in buy sell trade you'd see that I can't really afford more than $20 for a single item, which is why I'm looking for low grade copies, lol. Since I know from the Guide that the Plat has been going for $800 and the most I ever spent on a single comic in my life was $60 before I went all nutso and paid $100 for my QR... facepalm

I was quite certain that I would not be able to afford it. I also figured someone here might be interested. That's the reason I came to VC/VF in the first place, looking for people to help me find my missing comics and see what they know about them. I stayed for the food. And Booze. :wink:

EDIT: OH and price was only like $10 when I saw it. It could have been a set of Diamond TPBs and I still would have let people know, cause even though I want those SUPERBAD, theres no way I could pay much more than a $100 for them both, and even then I wouldn't be "affording" to do so... not that that would stop me in that case though. :wink:
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cjv wrote:
GGSAE wrote:
Aram wrote:I wouldn't have posted it if I thought I might have been able to afford to win it. :wink:
How do you know that? Also, doing this kind of makes u look like an *SQUEE*, it's like bidders that bid something up to create activity knowing they won't win it. They're just making the winner pay more money for it, if you're not selling a similar item, I don't understand that...
I disagree. This is a friendly board, and he was just pointing it out as a courtesy. There are many threads where people will point out ongoing auctions and such.

As for not knowing he could afford it, you have no idea how much he has to spend, or what the price was when he first saw it.

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It is unreasonable to think that ANY auction would be kept quiet/secret on a messageboard that continuously discusses auctions.

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cjv wrote:
GGSAE wrote:Imagine if you found a CEAR in a dollar bin and while you're at the cash register, the guy in the line next to you tells the owner it's worth a $100, so the owner refuses to sell it to you.
Entirely different scenario. First of all, in your scenario, there is a set price, not an auction. Secondly, in the auction, no one has contacted the seller (to the best of my knowledge) and said "this is worth $XXX, you shouldn't sell it for less than that".
My last point is that I don't know of any other intelligent buyers who do not snipe, or bid very late at the end of the auction. If I bid $100-200 on this lot, clearly I'm suggesting activity, and want to drive up the price: a) knowing I won't be putted to the purchase as it won't sell there, b) In a way because I know I can't afford the auction I'm gaining satisfaction knowing that other ppl will 'pay up for it' like the tactics those guys pull on storage wars.
I don't snipe. Mostly on principle, but also because I don't use eBay enough to warrant it. Probably stupid on my part, but I just like to bid in person.

And lastly, I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the "hardcore" people on the board already had this on their radar, so simply posting about it didn't suddenly create all this competition for this lot. The ONLY way this price would have stayed low is if it was in a hidden lot (someone posting a huge number of books, and there happened to be a Bloodshot Plat in the pile, but it wasn't advertised) or if it really had been a clueless seller who had a low BIN.

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I never said other people weren't aware of it, clearly it was advertised to reach other sites (as someone who flips between .ca and .com). I just don't understand why people create activity in a market if they want to participate, I cannot see a single positive for doing so. Using the equity markets as comparison: broker-dealer internalization was created by large institutional firms to conceal orders so that scaplers, algos, etc., don't sub-penny and flash trade the order. They want to maintain the liquidity of the filled order, but need to maintain their price priority, and trading discretion. Now if you're aug002, or whatever his name is, and money isn't an issue, you can just do as you please since money apparently isn't an issue.

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greg wrote: The Bloodshot Platinum isn't as clean/clear as some we've seen...
but the Platinum book is already either a mistake or a purposeful manipulation of the printing process,
so it's not impossible that an "ugly" Platinum was produced... I've seen the "orange glow edges" on regular editions.

The platinum that I had had some of the color problems as well. From the pic, it's likely a platinum.
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GGSAE wrote:I never said other people weren't aware of it, clearly it was advertised to reach other sites (as someone who flips between .ca and .com). I just don't understand why people create activity in a market if they want to participate, I cannot see a single positive for doing so. Using the equity markets as comparison: broker-dealer internalization was created by large institutional firms to conceal orders so that scaplers, algos, etc., don't sub-penny and flash trade the order. They want to maintain the liquidity of the filled order, but need to maintain their price priority, and trading discretion. Now if you're aug002, or whatever his name is, and money isn't an issue, you can just do as you please since money apparently isn't an issue.

Because the primary purpose of this website is social interaction. Meeting with friends, like minded people, people who love Valiant, who want to reminisce about the old stories.

Yes, many of us also have addictive personalities where we want to try to get every issue out there. But IMO that is secondary to the friendships that develop on this site. We aren't approaching this from a business point of view, we aren't approaching it from a cut-throat perspective, we aren't approaching Valiant comics from a "what makes the most economic sense". We are doing this to have fun. I have seen people post threads about auctions to let other people know, about auctions they are planning on bidding on, even about auctions for something they heard another person was looking for. Again, friendship first, business second.

Aram saw a really cool auction. If he wanted to bid, presumably he put his bid in (I put a bid in as soon as I saw the auction, knowing full well it probably would be shot out of the water very quickly...but at least I was the high bid for a while). Given that he wasn't going to win it, he either thought "hey, maybe someone on the board wants to win this" or "hey, this is a really cool auction you don't see often, the board might be interested to see it." Either way, just thinking about the community first, "business" second. And I have a feeling most board members here would do the same.

Heck, with the number of times someone gets a surprise package in the mail out of the blue, the number of times people give each other comics just so someone can have a complete collection, the number of time money and comics are donated to various charity causes - that right there should tell you that this is not a "business" oriented board. You have been around for a while, posted a fair number of times, I would have thought that attitude would be pretty apparent.

Just my $.02.


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cjv wrote:
GGSAE wrote:I never said other people weren't aware of it, clearly it was advertised to reach other sites (as someone who flips between .ca and .com). I just don't understand why people create activity in a market if they want to participate, I cannot see a single positive for doing so. Using the equity markets as comparison: broker-dealer internalization was created by large institutional firms to conceal orders so that scaplers, algos, etc., don't sub-penny and flash trade the order. They want to maintain the liquidity of the filled order, but need to maintain their price priority, and trading discretion. Now if you're aug002, or whatever his name is, and money isn't an issue, you can just do as you please since money apparently isn't an issue.

Because the primary purpose of this website is social interaction. Meeting with friends, like minded people, people who love Valiant, who want to reminisce about the old stories.

Yes, many of us also have addictive personalities where we want to try to get every issue out there. But IMO that is secondary to the friendships that develop on this site. We aren't approaching this from a business point of view, we aren't approaching it from a cut-throat perspective, we aren't approaching Valiant comics from a "what makes the most economic sense". We are doing this to have fun. I have seen people post threads about auctions to let other people know, about auctions they are planning on bidding on, even about auctions for something they heard another person was looking for. Again, friendship first, business second.

Aram saw a really cool auction. If he wanted to bid, presumably he put his bid in (I put a bid in as soon as I saw the auction, knowing full well it probably would be shot out of the water very quickly...but at least I was the high bid for a while). Given that he wasn't going to win it, he either thought "hey, maybe someone on the board wants to win this" or "hey, this is a really cool auction you don't see often, the board might be interested to see it." Either way, just thinking about the community first, "business" second. And I have a feeling most board members here would do the same.

Heck, with the number of times someone gets a surprise package in the mail out of the blue, the number of times people give each other comics just so someone can have a complete collection, the number of time money and comics are donated to various charity causes - that right there should tell you that this is not a "business" oriented board. You have been around for a while, posted a fair number of times, I would have thought that attitude would be pretty apparent.

Just my $.02.


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I checked my mail today ---- No Platinum Bloodshot 0 :(
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BruceReville wrote:I checked my mail today ---- No Platinum Bloodshot 0 :(
I knew I forgot to send you somethin' facepalm ...
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As has already been mentioned, this lot is likely to sell for upwards of $800, maybe even $1,000.

All I know is I'd have to have a lot of extra cabbage laying around to spend that to get my hands on a Bloodshot plat. :cry:

For that kind of money you could buy something much more mainstream with bigger resale potential; I'd probably put it into finishing my Avengers run.

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cjv wrote:
GGSAE wrote:I never said other people weren't aware of it, clearly it was advertised to reach other sites (as someone who flips between .ca and .com). I just don't understand why people create activity in a market if they want to participate, I cannot see a single positive for doing so. Using the equity markets as comparison: broker-dealer internalization was created by large institutional firms to conceal orders so that scaplers, algos, etc., don't sub-penny and flash trade the order. They want to maintain the liquidity of the filled order, but need to maintain their price priority, and trading discretion. Now if you're aug002, or whatever his name is, and money isn't an issue, you can just do as you please since money apparently isn't an issue.

Because the primary purpose of this website is social interaction. Meeting with friends, like minded people, people who love Valiant, who want to reminisce about the old stories.

Yes, many of us also have addictive personalities where we want to try to get every issue out there. But IMO that is secondary to the friendships that develop on this site. We aren't approaching this from a business point of view, we aren't approaching it from a cut-throat perspective, we aren't approaching Valiant comics from a "what makes the most economic sense". We are doing this to have fun. I have seen people post threads about auctions to let other people know, about auctions they are planning on bidding on, even about auctions for something they heard another person was looking for. Again, friendship first, business second.

Aram saw a really cool auction. If he wanted to bid, presumably he put his bid in (I put a bid in as soon as I saw the auction, knowing full well it probably would be shot out of the water very quickly...but at least I was the high bid for a while). Given that he wasn't going to win it, he either thought "hey, maybe someone on the board wants to win this" or "hey, this is a really cool auction you don't see often, the board might be interested to see it." Either way, just thinking about the community first, "business" second. And I have a feeling most board members here would do the same.

Heck, with the number of times someone gets a surprise package in the mail out of the blue, the number of times people give each other comics just so someone can have a complete collection, the number of time money and comics are donated to various charity causes - that right there should tell you that this is not a "business" oriented board. You have been around for a while, posted a fair number of times, I would have thought that attitude would be pretty apparent.

Just my $.02.


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Wellll I disagree with you on the friendship first, business second premise, look no further than the board projects. There have been MANY documented sales of board projects for huge profits. It became such a contentious issue that many people actually left the board in protest, and others (like myself who traded his in for cost), simply wanted no part of them anymore. And the last board sale I had I threw in freebies to the buyer, and it wasn't the first time i've donated free things here; I don't think the relationships I developed with those individuals were the purpose of this board. Anyways I see what you're getting at, but we probably aren't going to see eye-to-eye here...

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jmatt wrote:As has already been mentioned, this lot is likely to sell for upwards of $800, maybe even $1,000.

All I know is I'd have to have a lot of extra cabbage laying around to spend that to get my hands on a Bloodshot plat. :cry:

For that kind of money you could buy something much more mainstream with bigger resale potential; I'd probably put it into finishing my Avengers run.
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GGSAE wrote:Wellll I disagree with you on the friendship first, business second premise, look no further than the board projects. There have been MANY documented sales of board projects for huge profits. It became such a contentious issue that many people actually left the board in protest, and others (like myself who traded his in for cost), simply wanted no part of them anymore. And the last board sale I had I threw in freebies to the buyer, and it wasn't the first time i've donated free things here; I don't think the relationships I developed with those individuals were the purpose of this board. Anyways I see what you're getting at, but we probably aren't going to see eye-to-eye here...

I am not saying that there are NEVER business deals made, or that some people are trying to sell things at big profits. I am merely saying that IMO that is not the first thought associated with these boards.

Certainly, I have sold things here that I have found cheap elsewhere. I found a Shadowman Volume 3 Good/Bad/Ugly variant, in fine condition (if I recall) that I paid $1 for at a local store. At the time I wasn't collecting Acclaim comics, so I sold it here for about $20 or so. And absolutely if I found a hoard of Bloodshot Platinums that were being sold as a lot under the guise of a regular Bloodshot 0 (so I got them cheap) I certainly would sell some here and make a profit.

But my first thought when I come to these boards is not how can I benefit financially, or I wonder if there is a sale where I can get some cheap comics to turn around and sell. My first thought is usually going to be centered around the community, around the people here that I have interacted with.

And a quick note about the board projects - I would argue that those still embody the "friendship first" idea. Yes, they are limited, and there is a scramble to get involved, but that isn't due to cut-throat business, that is simply due to the the limitations of making a board projects (initial costs, limited copies, etc). If we were really all about money, everyone who got a board project would probably be turning right around to sell them on ebay, or putting them for sale right away on the forums. Yes, some are sold, and I may even put mine up for sale sometime, but we hold on to them because they mean something MORE that simply a limited project.

Again, just my $.02. I have no problem with someone selling a board project for profit (I remember I got into many heated discussions with ZWH about that), and I have no problem with someone on the board trying to make some money. But I just don't feel that is the first thing on everyone's mind. No harm if we disagree on that....at least I don't think there is any harm. ;)

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Re: Bloodshot Platinum and crazy gold lot on ebay

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You know, we should form a coalition to buy this.

Everyone donates a certain amount, up to 15 people. The we put that maximum bid in, with each contributor having a certain percentage of the bid. The final cost would be split based on that percentage (assuming it didn't go up to the maximum bid). The person who donated the most would get first choice of what they wanted, the person who put the second most in would get second choice, etc. If we don't have 15 people, choices would be based on the percentage share that you put in.

So, for example, let's say Aram, GGSAE and I agree to bid. GGSAE, being rich, agrees to put in $700. I have a good job, so I put in $250. Aram managed to scrape out $50. That's $1000, so we put a maximum bid of $1,000 (GGSAE has 70%, I have 25%, and Aram has 5%.). If it goes for $900, 75% of that would be from GGSAE ($630) , 25% would be paid for by me ($225), and 5% ($45) would be paid for by Aram.

GGSAE would then get 75% of the books (11 books), I would get 3 books, and Aram would get 1 book. GGSAE would get first choice, I would get 2nd, Aram would get 3rd, GGSAE would get 4th, I would get 5th, and GGSAE would get the remaining books.


Too complicated? I am serious contemplating doing this. Of course, the problem is that the vast majority of the value is from the Bloodshot platinum, so chances are someone would be getting that for a good deal, while others would be paying more than guide value for the other books. Hmmm, maybe I can work out another system.

Chris

EDIT: After thinking about this last night, I can't devise a system that is fair, unless there is a set amount of people submitting for each book, and each person "buys" the book in question (and it is all a proportion of the total price).

For example

Bloodshot platinum would be 60%. If you wanted this book, you would need to pay 60% of the total bid.

Unity Red, Harbinger 0, Magnus 0, A&A 0, EW 1, XO Manowar 0 would all be 4%

Armorines 0, Magnus 21, Rai 9, Mirage 1, Unity gold, Turok 1, Bloodshot 0 gold, Unity plat, would all be 2%

Thus, is we agree to bid $1000 - the person who wants the Bloodshot 0 would put in $600, the people who want the Unity Red (and others) would put in $40, and the people who want the other things would put in $20. Whatever the final winning bid would be, people put in those percentages. So basically, you are "buying" a book or two on your own. The actual percentages would have to be agreed upon - probably based on Greg's guide, rounded to the nearest percentage or something.

Chris
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Re: Bloodshot Platinum and crazy gold lot on ebay

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cjv wrote:Because the primary purpose of this website is social interaction. Meeting with friends, like minded people, people who love Valiant, who want to reminisce about the old stories.

Yes, many of us also have addictive personalities where we want to try to get every issue out there. But IMO that is secondary to the friendships that develop on this site. We aren't approaching this from a business point of view, we aren't approaching it from a cut-throat perspective, we aren't approaching Valiant comics from a "what makes the most economic sense". We are doing this to have fun. I have seen people post threads about auctions to let other people know, about auctions they are planning on bidding on, even about auctions for something they heard another person was looking for. Again, friendship first, business second.

Aram saw a really cool auction. If he wanted to bid, presumably he put his bid in (I put a bid in as soon as I saw the auction, knowing full well it probably would be shot out of the water very quickly...but at least I was the high bid for a while). Given that he wasn't going to win it, he either thought "hey, maybe someone on the board wants to win this" or "hey, this is a really cool auction you don't see often, the board might be interested to see it." Either way, just thinking about the community first, "business" second. And I have a feeling most board members here would do the same.

Heck, with the number of times someone gets a surprise package in the mail out of the blue, the number of times people give each other comics just so someone can have a complete collection, the number of time money and comics are donated to various charity causes - that right there should tell you that this is not a "business" oriented board. You have been around for a while, posted a fair number of times, I would have thought that attitude would be pretty apparent.

Just my $.02.


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Re: Bloodshot Platinum and crazy gold lot on ebay

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cjv wrote:You know, we should form a coalition to buy this.

Everyone donates a certain amount, up to 15 people. The we put that maximum bid in, with each contributor having a certain percentage of the bid. The final cost would be split based on that percentage (assuming it didn't go up to the maximum bid). The person who donated the most would get first choice of what they wanted, the person who put the second most in would get second choice, etc. If we don't have 15 people, choices would be based on the percentage share that you put in.

So, for example, let's say Aram, GGSAE and I agree to bid. GGSAE, being rich, agrees to put in $700. I have a good job, so I put in $250. Aram managed to scrape out $50. That's $1000, so we put a maximum bid of $1,000 (GGSAE has 70%, I have 25%, and Aram has 5%.). If it goes for $900, 75% of that would be from GGSAE ($630) , 25% would be paid for by me ($225), and 5% ($45) would be paid for by Aram.

GGSAE would then get 75% of the books (11 books), I would get 3 books, and Aram would get 1 book. GGSAE would get first choice, I would get 2nd, Aram would get 3rd, GGSAE would get 4th, I would get 5th, and GGSAE would get the remaining books.


Too complicated? I am serious contemplating doing this. Of course, the problem is that the vast majority of the value is from the Bloodshot platinum, so chances are someone would be getting that for a good deal, while others would be paying more than guide value for the other books. Hmmm, maybe I can work out another system.

Chris

EDIT: After thinking about this last night, I can't devise a system that is fair, unless there is a set amount of people submitting for each book, and each person "buys" the book in question (and it is all a proportion of the total price).

For example

Bloodshot platinum would be 60%. If you wanted this book, you would need to pay 60% of the total bid.

Unity Red, Harbinger 0, Magnus 0, A&A 0, EW 1, XO Manowar 0 would all be 4%

Armorines 0, Magnus 21, Rai 9, Mirage 1, Unity gold, Turok 1, Bloodshot 0 gold, Unity plat, would all be 2%

Thus, is we agree to bid $1000 - the person who wants the Bloodshot 0 would put in $600, the people who want the Unity Red (and others) would put in $40, and the people who want the other things would put in $20. Whatever the final winning bid would be, people put in those percentages. So basically, you are "buying" a book or two on your own. The actual percentages would have to be agreed upon - probably based on Greg's guide, rounded to the nearest percentage or something.

Chris
I would consider this if I wasn't lukewarm about the auction. It probably is legitimate, but I trust my gut instinct on all financial transactions and it just doesn't feel right...having said that, this lot (assuming these books are high grade as well), could really be a bargain at 6-1000$. I think the last platinum sold for around 2k, but someone can clarify that for me..

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Re: Bloodshot Platinum and crazy gold lot on ebay

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I just wanted to chime in and say that I appreciate when people post ebay auctions here. I think it's courteous to your fellow collectors, and starts up discussions! Case in point!


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