Will there be a Marvel reboot or relaunch this year?

[xodacia81]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

Ok...and how was it bad when it literally picks up where the War left off?

[superman-prime]

just ugg not bad I was hoping for like 5 years of perfection, they got to 4

[Lightning Strike]

ya GL went to H@LL

The movie was bad but the books have been pretty damn good. What's your real complaint? I admit it got a little slow for an issue there just before War of the GL's, but starting with that...wow.

Everything is just the opposite of the series before. Hal is stripped of his ring after everything he's done for those stupid little blue idiots, and to make things worse, they give a sadistic madman like Sinestro a ring, and he in turn gives a ring to Hal, but with a clause tied to it. Should I go on? It's rubbish. The only saving grace is Mahnke's art. I've always enjoyed his art, but I can't justify buying this garbage even with his sweet artwork.

If DC killed off the Guardians except for two of them (and everyone should know which two), take Sinestro's ring away and give Hal's back to him as it rightfully should be, then I might buy the book again. Until then, DC won't get one red cent from me. They can stick it.

So please tell me what's so good about this book?

[Lightning Strike]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

Yep. I just don't understand it. They had a great thing going. Johns turned the whole GL franchise around and it was one of the best books and then they hand over the editorial reigns to "the genius" Jim Lee and what's his first thought? "I know, let's just do a complete reboot boys! Yep, it will be cool. I'll do the artwork for the JLA book for about 4 issues until I get bored and/or can't keep up with the schedule and then you'll have to find someone else to fill in for me, but it will be sweet though. And then we can make some pretty changes to all of their costumes. Welcome to Image 2.0!"

[xodacia81]

ya GL went to H@LL

The movie was bad but the books have been pretty damn good. What's your real complaint? I admit it got a little slow for an issue there just before War of the GL's, but starting with that...wow.

Everything is just the opposite of the series before. Hal is stripped of his ring after everything he's done for those stupid little blue idiots, and to make things worse, they give a sadistic madman like Sinestro a ring, and he in turn gives a ring to Hal, but with a clause tied to it. Should I go on? It's rubbish. The only saving grace is Mahnke's art. I've always enjoyed his art, but I can't justify buying this garbage even with his sweet artwork.

If DC killed off the Guardians except for two of them (and everyone should know which two), take Sinestro's ring away and give Hal's back to him as it rightfully should be, then I might buy the book again. Until then, DC won't get one red cent from me. They can stick it.

So please tell me what's so good about this book?

I like how it is delving into the very twisted mind of Sinestro and showing Hal how, "there but for the grace of God, go I" when it comes to the choices they each made in their lives. Sinestro is a villain, with a twisted heart, but he's not 100% beyond redemption and I don't think they are going there. Instead, they are adding layers of depth and expanding on his past experiences. Do you really think Sinestro is the "hero" of the book? Do you really think Hal won't wind up with his own ring again, either by issue 12 or soon after? Think again. Also, you are missing out on the Indigo Tribe and what's going on there. It has the potential to be very disturbing and may rock the foundations of the family of books, because I think either Abin Sur wasn't all he was cracked up to be or his "followers" have besmirched his good name. As for the GOTU, I think this is leading to them being eliminated and/or going total villain.

[xodacia81]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

Yep. I just don't understand it. They had a great thing going. Johns turned the whole GL franchise around and it was one of the best books and then they hand over the editorial reigns to "the genius" Jim Lee and what's his first thought? "I know, let's just do a complete reboot boys! Yep, it will be cool. I'll do the artwork for the JLA book for about 4 issues until I get bored and/or can't keep up with the schedule and then you'll have to find someone else to fill in for me, but it will be sweet though. And then we can make some pretty changes to all of their costumes. Welcome to Image 2.0!"

Johns is still in charge of GL. Lee's work is in other areas. GL is GJ's baby.

[Lightning Strike]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

Yep. I just don't understand it. They had a great thing going. Johns turned the whole GL franchise around and it was one of the best books and then they hand over the editorial reigns to "the genius" Jim Lee and what's his first thought? "I know, let's just do a complete reboot boys! Yep, it will be cool. I'll do the artwork for the JLA book for about 4 issues until I get bored and/or can't keep up with the schedule and then you'll have to find someone else to fill in for me, but it will be sweet though. And then we can make some pretty changes to all of their costumes. Welcome to Image 2.0!"

Johns is still in charge of GL. Lee's work is in other areas. GL is GJ's baby.

I know, that's why I said what Lee was going to do on the JLA book, not GL. But I can't understand what Johns is thinking. He totally knocked it out of the park prior to the relaunch, then writes this sad pile of manure. I thought he was a better writer than this.

[Lightning Strike]

ya GL went to H@LL

The movie was bad but the books have been pretty damn good. What's your real complaint? I admit it got a little slow for an issue there just before War of the GL's, but starting with that...wow.

Everything is just the opposite of the series before. Hal is stripped of his ring after everything he's done for those stupid little blue idiots, and to make things worse, they give a sadistic madman like Sinestro a ring, and he in turn gives a ring to Hal, but with a clause tied to it. Should I go on? It's rubbish. The only saving grace is Mahnke's art. I've always enjoyed his art, but I can't justify buying this garbage even with his sweet artwork.

If DC killed off the Guardians except for two of them (and everyone should know which two), take Sinestro's ring away and give Hal's back to him as it rightfully should be, then I might buy the book again. Until then, DC won't get one red cent from me. They can stick it.

So please tell me what's so good about this book?

I like how it is delving into the very twisted mind of Sinestro and showing Hal how, "there but for the grace of God, go I" when it comes to the choices they each made in their lives. Sinestro is a villain, with a twisted heart, but he's not 100% beyond redemption and I don't think they are going there. Instead, they are adding layers of depth and expanding on his past experiences. Do you really think Sinestro is the "hero" of the book?

According to the little blue idiots he is (I refuse to call them the GOTU anymore because all they care about is Guarding their own butts). Like I said, Hal has saved them and the universe countless times and whats the thanks he gets? Stripped of his ring and the door slammed in his face and his enemy gets a GL ring. How wrong is that? Come on!

[xodacia81]

ya GL went to H@LL

The movie was bad but the books have been pretty damn good. What's your real complaint? I admit it got a little slow for an issue there just before War of the GL's, but starting with that...wow.

Everything is just the opposite of the series before. Hal is stripped of his ring after everything he's done for those stupid little blue idiots, and to make things worse, they give a sadistic madman like Sinestro a ring, and he in turn gives a ring to Hal, but with a clause tied to it. Should I go on? It's rubbish. The only saving grace is Mahnke's art. I've always enjoyed his art, but I can't justify buying this garbage even with his sweet artwork.

If DC killed off the Guardians except for two of them (and everyone should know which two), take Sinestro's ring away and give Hal's back to him as it rightfully should be, then I might buy the book again. Until then, DC won't get one red cent from me. They can stick it.

So please tell me what's so good about this book?

I like how it is delving into the very twisted mind of Sinestro and showing Hal how, "there but for the grace of God, go I" when it comes to the choices they each made in their lives. Sinestro is a villain, with a twisted heart, but he's not 100% beyond redemption and I don't think they are going there. Instead, they are adding layers of depth and expanding on his past experiences. Do you really think Sinestro is the "hero" of the book?

According to the little blue idiots he is (I refuse to call them the GOTU anymore because all they care about is Guarding their own butts). Like I said, Hal has saved them and the universe countless times and whats the thanks he gets? Stripped of his ring and the door slammed in his face and his enemy gets a GL ring. How wrong is that? Come on!

It's called a plot point, not a writer changing plans. I think it's a brilliant stroke. Having the status quo after The War would have felt wrong.

[Lightning Strike]

ya GL went to H@LL

The movie was bad but the books have been pretty damn good. What's your real complaint? I admit it got a little slow for an issue there just before War of the GL's, but starting with that...wow.

Everything is just the opposite of the series before. Hal is stripped of his ring after everything he's done for those stupid little blue idiots, and to make things worse, they give a sadistic madman like Sinestro a ring, and he in turn gives a ring to Hal, but with a clause tied to it. Should I go on? It's rubbish. The only saving grace is Mahnke's art. I've always enjoyed his art, but I can't justify buying this garbage even with his sweet artwork.

If DC killed off the Guardians except for two of them (and everyone should know which two), take Sinestro's ring away and give Hal's back to him as it rightfully should be, then I might buy the book again. Until then, DC won't get one red cent from me. They can stick it.

So please tell me what's so good about this book?

I like how it is delving into the very twisted mind of Sinestro and showing Hal how, "there but for the grace of God, go I" when it comes to the choices they each made in their lives. Sinestro is a villain, with a twisted heart, but he's not 100% beyond redemption and I don't think they are going there. Instead, they are adding layers of depth and expanding on his past experiences. Do you really think Sinestro is the "hero" of the book?

According to the little blue idiots he is (I refuse to call them the GOTU anymore because all they care about is Guarding their own butts). Like I said, Hal has saved them and the universe countless times and whats the thanks he gets? Stripped of his ring and the door slammed in his face and his enemy gets a GL ring. How wrong is that? Come on!

It's called a plot point, not a writer changing plans. I think it's a brilliant stroke. Having the status quo after The War would have felt wrong.

Well, you like it, and I don't. Neither one of us are going to change our stance, which is fine

[BruceReville]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

[Lightning Strike]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

[ian_house]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

[Draco]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

I think you raise the most valid and untouched upon point on a negative note, especially with retailers like myself who are simply reaping the rewards of the New DC 52, that the pre New 52 just never offered.
That is of course that what we all read and loved over 50+ years of continuity, albeit pretty insane along the way, really is no more, of course though we can also speculate on it's return if the New DC fails and so on.
A shame that many of us are disappointed with no follow on continuity, which IMO a group of savvy creators could have pulled off, however we are where we are and we have what we have, there were simply not enough numbers picking up the old DC titles, but there are now, Long Live the New DC 52 and soon may Marvel follow suit (though, just a relaunch please : )

[superman-prime]

marvel did a relaunch,

its called ultimate line.

[Draco]

marvel did a relaunch,

its called ultimate line.

I actually thought at one point they might make that the main concern when things were flying for that line, then they got Jeph loeb involved

[xodacia81]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

Actually, no. I suspect they couldn't. That that didn't try hard suggests to me that something big is going on, and it appears it is, because it looks like the GOTU are readying an eradication of the Corps.

[Lightning Strike]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

I think you raise the most valid and untouched upon point on a negative note, especially with retailers like myself who are simply reaping the rewards of the New DC 52, that the pre New 52 just never offered.
That is of course that what we all read and loved over 50+ years of continuity, albeit pretty insane along the way, really is no more, of course though we can also speculate on it's return if the New DC fails and so on.
A shame that many of us are disappointed with no follow on continuity, which IMO a group of savvy creators could have pulled off, however we are where we are and we have what we have, there were simply not enough numbers picking up the old DC titles, but there are now, Long Live the New DC 52 and soon may Marvel follow suit (though, just a relaunch please : )

I'm tired of relaunches. Enough already

[Lightning Strike]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

Actually, no. I suspect they couldn't. That that didn't try hard suggests to me that something big is going on, and it appears it is, because it looks like the GOTU are readying an eradication of the Corps.

To be fair, I stopped reading after the first few issues because I was so disappointed in the book and Johns' direction, so I don't know what's going on in the latest issue. I'm sure it would make me even more disappointed though

[xodacia81]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

I think you raise the most valid and untouched upon point on a negative note, especially with retailers like myself who are simply reaping the rewards of the New DC 52, that the pre New 52 just never offered.
That is of course that what we all read and loved over 50+ years of continuity, albeit pretty insane along the way, really is no more, of course though we can also speculate on it's return if the New DC fails and so on.
A shame that many of us are disappointed with no follow on continuity, which IMO a group of savvy creators could have pulled off, however we are where we are and we have what we have, there were simply not enough numbers picking up the old DC titles, but there are now, Long Live the New DC 52 and soon may Marvel follow suit (though, just a relaunch please : )

Here's the thing though: Batman and Green Lantern are taking place more or less in old continuity, with minor to no changes. The other books don't seem to be aware of the existence of whatever is going on in these titles. At the end of Flashpoint, we saw at least 3 timelines/realities merge. So...

Is this an amalgamated universe? A multiverse? (it is DC, after all) or is there something else going on? The gang at DC have long said they wanted to get a multiverse going "the right way" and I've suspected this is it. I don't think the old continuity is gone for good. I just think most books will no longer take place there, because of how Barry and Thawne changed things last summer. I believe that what we saw exists in an altered state, and that most books now take place on (an) alternate Earth/s. I believe this will bear out when Earth 2 launches soon.

Oh, and not to toot my own horn too much, but I called the ultimate result of Flashpoint way back.

[xodacia81]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

Actually, no. I suspect they couldn't. That that didn't try hard suggests to me that something big is going on, and it appears it is, because it looks like the GOTU are readying an eradication of the Corps.

To be fair, I stopped reading after the first few issues because I was so disappointed in the book and Johns' direction, so I don't know what's going on in the latest issue. I'm sure it would make me even more disappointed though

I went into it with an open mind and I went in looking at it as what I believe it to be, which is a renumbered continuation of what came before. I don't think Johns has lost it. I wondered that for a bit with Brightest Day, but WOTGL and this current arc have me back on his side.

Just let the Jim Lee thing go. It's not worth the blood pressure.

[Lightning Strike]

marvel did a relaunch,

its called ultimate line.

I'm not sure you can call that a relaunch. The main MU remained intact. The ULT line is more of an alternate universe. Like what DC is doing with their upcoming Earth 2 stories. I may try the JSA book simply because Jay Garrick is one of my favorite DC characters, but I don't have high hopes.

[Lightning Strike]

Didn't the ring choose Sinestro? If so then the Guardians didn't give it to him - in fact didn't they try to take it from him and the ring refused?

Yes, but they could have taken it from him, but chose not to because they felt that Hal was too dangerous to them and they could keep Sinestro on a leash. Yeah, that's worked out well in the past right?

Actually, no. I suspect they couldn't. That that didn't try hard suggests to me that something big is going on, and it appears it is, because it looks like the GOTU are readying an eradication of the Corps.

To be fair, I stopped reading after the first few issues because I was so disappointed in the book and Johns' direction, so I don't know what's going on in the latest issue. I'm sure it would make me even more disappointed though

I went into it with an open mind and I went in looking at it as what I believe it to be, which is a renumbered continuation of what came before. I don't think Johns has lost it. I wondered that for a bit with Brightest Day, but WOTGL and this current arc have me back on his side.

Just let the Jim Lee thing go. It's not worth the blood pressure.

Brightest day is where he started to lose me. And then the relaunch was the final nail. And you're right about Lee, he isn't worth the high blood pressure

[xodacia81]

war of the gl was great then reboot ugg

I think you raise the most valid and untouched upon point on a negative note, especially with retailers like myself who are simply reaping the rewards of the New DC 52, that the pre New 52 just never offered.
That is of course that what we all read and loved over 50+ years of continuity, albeit pretty insane along the way, really is no more, of course though we can also speculate on it's return if the New DC fails and so on.
A shame that many of us are disappointed with no follow on continuity, which IMO a group of savvy creators could have pulled off, however we are where we are and we have what we have, there were simply not enough numbers picking up the old DC titles, but there are now, Long Live the New DC 52 and soon may Marvel follow suit (though, just a relaunch please : )

I'm tired of relaunches. Enough already

This is the first relaunch DC has done since Crisis on Infinite Earths. I don't consider Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis to be a relaunch. The first was a mid-level reset of secondary storylines and Golden Age characters, that really helped clean up some issues regarding Legion, the Hawks and the JSA. The second brought back the Multiverse and 5 or 6 years of endless crossovers. The New 52? No big summer blockbusters planned for "all" the books and no word on anything for next year, either. Instead, we're getting tight continuity between books within several distinct "families" and a rebuild of what we've known before.

If I have any complaints about the "new" DCU, it's the elimination of the Oliver Queen/Hal Jordan relationship and the total elimination of Connor Hawke, Mia and Ollie's history with both the JLA and Black Canary. Of course, I do wonder-and this feeds into my theory about the multiverse-that the Hal in JLA does not seem to be the same Hal from the current GL title. So, are we maybe going to see the old Ollie in the GL books? Are we going to find out JLA is the "new history" of Hal? If so, are we going to get to see them build that relationship again? There's so many possibilities that it's truly exciting.

Maybe that's because I missed a lot of DC from 99-mid 2000's but I am loving almost all of it.

[xodacia81]

marvel did a relaunch,

its called ultimate line.

I'm not sure you can call that a relaunch. The main MU remained intact. The ULT line is more of an alternate universe. Like what DC is doing with their upcoming Earth 2 stories. I may try the JSA book simply because Jay Garrick is one of my favorite DC characters, but I don't have high hopes.

Reis and Prado with JAMES ROBINSON on the scripts? It's going to be a BLAST, man. Robinson has said "I've not had this much fun since Starman."