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Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:57 pm

ian_house wrote:If their big gun is Ninjak they are in alot of trouble. An awful 1st run coupled with the selling power of ninja/spy stories (?!?!) makes me wonder why they'd go with Ninjak. Plus is it really going to make comic buyers remember the first Valiant? They'll just look like another new company who have misjudged the market if they aren't careful.

You make some good points, Ian. Other than the fantastic Quesada artwork early on, the title really didn't have much else going for it. The Acclaim version came along and it was even worse. Makes you wonder what it is about the character that makes him "one of their favorites".

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:36 pm

Yeah, Ninjak sucks!!!

Ok, I'll fess up... I kinda liked the Acclaim/Kurt Busiek Ninjak. I thought it was lighthearted fun.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:39 pm

Heath wrote:Ok, I'll fess up... I kinda liked the Acclaim/Kurt Busiek Ninjak. I thought it was lighthearted fun.

My LCS told me that Ninjak was their second best selling Acclaim title (after Quantum & Woody).

/Magnus

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 3:44 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
ian_house wrote:If their big gun is Ninjak they are in alot of trouble. An awful 1st run coupled with the selling power of ninja/spy stories (?!?!) makes me wonder why they'd go with Ninjak. Plus is it really going to make comic buyers remember the first Valiant? They'll just look like another new company who have misjudged the market if they aren't careful.

You make some good points, Ian. Other than the fantastic Quesada artwork early on, the title really didn't have much else going for it. The Acclaim version came along and it was even worse. Makes you wonder what it is about the character that makes him "one of their favorites".

Even though I think the Valiant Ninjak stories are not that good in the beginning but they got better towards the end. I think the problem is the name "Ninjak". It just seems silly. Can you imagine a Western comic titled "Cowboi" or "Cowboyz"?

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:27 pm

iggy101us wrote:I think the problem is the name "Ninjak". It just seems silly. Can you imagine a Western comic titled "Cowboi" or "Cowboyz"?

Cowboyd

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:45 pm

Heath wrote:Yeah, Ninjak sucks!!!

Ok, I'll fess up... I kinda liked the Acclaim/Kurt Busiek Ninjak. I thought it was lighthearted fun.

Heath · Post by **Heath** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:52 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Heath wrote:Yeah, Ninjak sucks!!!

Ok, I'll fess up... I kinda liked the Acclaim/Kurt Busiek Ninjak. I thought it was lighthearted fun.

Hey! I never said that!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:18 am

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SJS4 · Post by **SJS4** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:34 am

Re: Ninjak...I just recently read all the stuff from issues 0 up through the Chaos Effect, and it isn't a "bad" book but he just seems like a back up character. At least in the original valiant, he wouldn't even exist without the tie-in to Eternal Warrior (as I understood it, Neville Alcot's carerr was "made" via his ability to get Gilad to help his missions).

I dunno...a lot of the "popular" and "cool" characters from later in the Valiant series seemed like they were really just backup characters that got their own book just to fill up shelf space. Bloodshot was kind of important because he was the origin of Rai, but HARDCorps, Ninjak, Dr Mirage, Secret Weapons, Psi-Lords, and Armorines all seemed like filler material. Heck even the Turok series seemed mostly like filler material...like they were paying for the license so they wanted to make sure they put something out...

But maybe its just me. I want good stories, but it seems like a waste to put out a regular series that isn't crucial the the "Valiant Universe" as a whole.

We'll see how things go. I will almost certainly buy whatever they put out, but I think the Universe has a much higher chance at success if they stick with the "core" characters first and foremost, and use the non-core characters either as backup stories or occasional mini-series.

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:45 am

SJS4 wrote:Re: Ninjak...I just recently read all the stuff from issues 0 up through the Chaos Effect, and it isn't a "bad" book but he just seems like a back up character. At least in the original valiant, he wouldn't even exist without the tie-in to Eternal Warrior (as I understood it, Neville Alcot's carerr was "made" via his ability to get Gilad to help his missions).

I dunno...a lot of the "popular" and "cool" characters from later in the Valiant series seemed like they were really just backup characters that got their own book just to fill up shelf space. Bloodshot was kind of important because he was the origin of Rai, but HARDCorps, Ninjak, Dr Mirage, Secret Weapons, Psi-Lords, and Armorines all seemed like filler material. Heck even the Turok series seemed mostly like filler material...like they were paying for the license so they wanted to make sure they put something out...

But maybe its just me. I want good stories, but it seems like a waste to put out a regular series that isn't crucial the the "Valiant Universe" as a whole.

We'll see how things go. I will almost certainly buy whatever they put out, but I think the Universe has a much higher chance at success if they stick with the "core" characters first and foremost, and use the non-core characters either as backup stories or occasional mini-series.

You're pretty much right on here, with a few exceptions like A+A, but that is really why there are so many fans of the Pre Unity stuff, and also, why although the print runs of later stuff was huge in a lot of cases (Turok 1), the quality just isn't there, especially in the storytelling.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:52 am

SJS4 wrote:Re: Ninjak...I just recently read all the stuff from issues 0 up through the Chaos Effect, and it isn't a "bad" book but he just seems like a back up character. At least in the original valiant, he wouldn't even exist without the tie-in to Eternal Warrior (as I understood it, Neville Alcot's carerr was "made" via his ability to get Gilad to help his missions).

I dunno...a lot of the "popular" and "cool" characters from later in the Valiant series seemed like they were really just backup characters that got their own book just to fill up shelf space. Bloodshot was kind of important because he was the origin of Rai, but HARDCorps, Ninjak, Dr Mirage, Secret Weapons, Psi-Lords, and Armorines all seemed like filler material. Heck even the Turok series seemed mostly like filler material...like they were paying for the license so they wanted to make sure they put something out...

But maybe its just me. I want good stories, but it seems like a waste to put out a regular series that isn't crucial the the "Valiant Universe" as a whole.

We'll see how things go. I will almost certainly buy whatever they put out, but I think the Universe has a much higher chance at success if they stick with the "core" characters first and foremost, and use the non-core characters either as backup stories or occasional mini-series.

I agree with all but ONE of those. I will tell you that Secret Weapons and Psi Lords, for sure, did not deserve their own book. My thoughts on the others are well known. I'll let you figure out who I think deserved a title.

Oh, and as for Bloodshot...he was so much more than the origin of Rai.

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:05 am

SJS4: Posters who use the words "put out" repeatedly in posts often end up being quoted elsewhere, often out of context.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:01 pm

dave wrote:Posters who "put out" repeatedly often end up being quoted elsewhere.

And quoted incorrectly.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:16 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:
dave wrote:Posters who "put out" repeatedly often end up being quoted elsewhere.
And quoted incorrectly.

Who would do that? NOT posters Here!!!!! No Way!!!!

-Brian

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:47 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
SJS4 wrote:Re: Ninjak...I just recently read all the stuff from issues 0 up through the Chaos Effect, and it isn't a "bad" book but he just seems like a back up character. At least in the original valiant, he wouldn't even exist without the tie-in to Eternal Warrior (as I understood it, Neville Alcot's carerr was "made" via his ability to get Gilad to help his missions).

I dunno...a lot of the "popular" and "cool" characters from later in the Valiant series seemed like they were really just backup characters that got their own book just to fill up shelf space. Bloodshot was kind of important because he was the origin of Rai, but HARDCorps, Ninjak, Dr Mirage, Secret Weapons, Psi-Lords, and Armorines all seemed like filler material. Heck even the Turok series seemed mostly like filler material...like they were paying for the license so they wanted to make sure they put something out...

But maybe its just me. I want good stories, but it seems like a waste to put out a regular series that isn't crucial the the "Valiant Universe" as a whole.

We'll see how things go. I will almost certainly buy whatever they put out, but I think the Universe has a much higher chance at success if they stick with the "core" characters first and foremost, and use the non-core characters either as backup stories or occasional mini-series.
I agree with all but ONE of those. I will tell you that Secret Weapons and Psi Lords, for sure, did not deserve their own book. My thoughts on the others are well known. I'll let you figure out who I think deserved a title.

Oh, and as for Bloodshot...he was so much more than the origin of Rai.

I rather enjoyed Dr Mirage, especially the first 12 or so issues.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:35 pm

leonmallett wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
SJS4 wrote:Re: Ninjak...I just recently read all the stuff from issues 0 up through the Chaos Effect, and it isn't a "bad" book but he just seems like a back up character. At least in the original valiant, he wouldn't even exist without the tie-in to Eternal Warrior (as I understood it, Neville Alcot's carerr was "made" via his ability to get Gilad to help his missions).

I dunno...a lot of the "popular" and "cool" characters from later in the Valiant series seemed like they were really just backup characters that got their own book just to fill up shelf space. Bloodshot was kind of important because he was the origin of Rai, but HARDCorps, Ninjak, Dr Mirage, Secret Weapons, Psi-Lords, and Armorines all seemed like filler material. Heck even the Turok series seemed mostly like filler material...like they were paying for the license so they wanted to make sure they put something out...

But maybe its just me. I want good stories, but it seems like a waste to put out a regular series that isn't crucial the the "Valiant Universe" as a whole.

We'll see how things go. I will almost certainly buy whatever they put out, but I think the Universe has a much higher chance at success if they stick with the "core" characters first and foremost, and use the non-core characters either as backup stories or occasional mini-series.
I agree with all but ONE of those. I will tell you that Secret Weapons and Psi Lords, for sure, did not deserve their own book. My thoughts on the others are well known. I'll let you figure out who I think deserved a title.

Oh, and as for Bloodshot...he was so much more than the origin of Rai.
I rather enjoyed Dr Mirage, especially the first 12 or so issues.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:49 pm

Dr. Mirage was terrible. And I like relationship comics.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:59 pm

i liked mirage as well

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:15 pm

Have you guys read it lately? The main villain is the incredibly lame Dr. Eclipse. Oh, there's a Darque Bull in issue #4. Read that crap and tell me it's good.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:37 pm

400yrs wrote:Dr. Mirage was terrible. And I like relationship comics.

I liked it. Or, rather, I liked part of it. I think there is a way to do it properly...

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:38 pm

400yrs wrote:Have you guys read it lately? The main villain is the incredibly lame Dr. Eclipse. Oh, there's a Darque Bull in issue #4. Read that crap and tell me it's good.

The Darque Bull was cooler than the XO Bike. Eclipse was just Darque Solar lite...

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:33 pm

Jay Tomio wrote:Ninjak and Dr. Mirage were sweet.

The art-especially on female figures-was sweet in Mirage. Ninjak, mostly, just seemed sort of...well, not all there, for me. I didn't muuch enjoy it and I LOVE spy stuff.

betterthanezra · Post by **betterthanezra** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 8:28 pm

Mirage was geared for a female audience that was no secret. I mean having Walt Willey guest star when he is from a soap opera...I mean really I NEVER heard of him before the crossover.

-Brian

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:14 pm

I finally joined up, got a page or whatever it is called... just so I can view the Valiant stuff, name Darque Knightt (<--- pretty snazzy eh ?.... no ?)

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:26 pm

Friend request sent.

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