Top 10 Relaunch things you DON'T want...

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:36 am

OUTstanding, I walk away for a few hours and come back to check the thread to see some good responses BUT as usual I don't ask a complete question.

I should have asked not only to name what are the Top 10 Relaunch things you DON'T want and explain WHY you don't want them. I am trying to solicite more than just 'penguins'. I am interested in (and I am sure that others are interested as well) the 'why' you don't want 'penguins' back in the Relaunch.

So if you can expound upon the 'why' in your responses, that would be great !

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:53 am

I don't want unrealistic looking bodies for the characters.

Make the peeps look somewhat normal.

Not everyone looks like The Governator in Conan. Not all the "heroes" have to have a six (eight) pack. "Real" looking characters lends to the "realism" of the books.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:25 am

xodacia81 wrote:
slym2none wrote:NIO
Thanks for reminding me. I had almost managed to erase those horrible memories.

Pure horribleness - they ripped the story off from an old anime, and did that poorly. It just should never have happened.

-slym

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:29 am

Elveen wrote:I don't want unrealistic looking bodies for the characters.

Make the peeps look somewhat normal.

You mean like back in the initial Valiant days where there were skinny characters, chunky characters, fat chicks and the buff characters as well but a realistic sampling of how people look in real life ?

Hardly ever seen but how about a skinny guy who was very strong ?

How about a chubby dude who was fast ?

Of course cool looking heroic figures but again not all 'powered' people were fitness models.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:28 am

1. Delays. Books to come out on time all the time please.

2. Poor creative teams for the sake of getting books out.

3. Too many books too soon for the sake of a piece of the pie.

4. Variants that are impossible price wise for us hardcore fans to purchase, or that are made in such small quantities that only people who earn $50k a year can think about buying.

5. Secrecy. Now we seem to be on a roll can we please keep the info coming.

6. Creators who we all agree made books/characters look bad to stay the hell away.

7. The wrong mix of what came before i.e vh1, 2 & 3 combined.

8. Lack on non orderable premiums i.e we want old school premiums
given away to those who promote Valiant again for those who will never be able to afford $75 for 1:100 retailer variants.

9. Lack of presence at cons.

10. i thought finding 10 things was gonna be hard and it was.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:31 am

Films
Video Games
Other Merchandise

Make some comics not merchandise.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:01 am

Jay Tomio wrote:
ian_house wrote:Films
Video Games
Other Merchandise

Make some comics not merchandise.
Wishing for failure.

Thats why this is a thread on the internet and not the VEI board meeting...

It's a thread about what we'd like to see, not what will make VEI successful.

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:33 pm

Man do I hope VEI gets Valiant on the big screen and on videogames!! Some Action Figures would be nice tooo! I wanna See Valiant Shine like it deserves!

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:56 pm

ian_house wrote:Films
Video Games
Other Merchandise

Make some comics not merchandise.

make comics great first then anything that comes after will be based on product that is sellable and noted as quailty.
Video games im not fussed about, but something that is a possibilty again.
Other merchandise could be ok, if they take it slow, some t-shirts and basic accessories would make me a happy bunny.
i could def walk around with a Valiant bag of sorts.

kevinbastos · Post by **kevinbastos** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:31 pm

"VALIANT is a company owned and run by creative people. It's a rockin' good place to work. We're entertainers. We don't pre-bag our books, do multiple versions, or try to convince people that issues with millions of copies preserved in plastic are valuable collector's items. We're not the Franklin Mint. We want people to read our work."

Jim Shooter - monthly comic address - November, 1991.

What do you know?

Still holds true today.

caxiotis · Post by **caxiotis** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:48 pm

kevinbastos wrote:
"VALIANT is a company owned and run by creative people. It's a rockin' good place to work. We're entertainers. We don't pre-bag our books, do multiple versions, or try to convince people that issues with millions of copies preserved in plastic are valuable collector's items. We're not the Franklin Mint. We want people to read our work."
Jim Shooter - monthly comic address - November, 1991.

What do you know?

Still holds true today.

I like Jim's statement. I don't know how he can say they didn't do multiple versions though. Under his leadership they did some gold books and a second print of Solar 10

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:55 pm

The Golds were GIVE AWAYS, they didnt make a dime off of them. The Solar II was supply & demand, it was also such a key book it was neccessary to make it available to everyone who wanted a copy at the time.

caxiotis wrote:
kevinbastos wrote:
"VALIANT is a company owned and run by creative people. It's a rockin' good place to work. We're entertainers. We don't pre-bag our books, do multiple versions, or try to convince people that issues with millions of copies preserved in plastic are valuable collector's items. We're not the Franklin Mint. We want people to read our work."
Jim Shooter - monthly comic address - November, 1991.

What do you know?

Still holds true today.
I like Jim's statement. I don't know how he can say they didn't do multiple versions though. Under his leadership they did some gold books and a second print of Solar 10

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:08 pm

MoonChild wrote:The Golds were GIVE AWAYS, they didnt make a dime off of them. The Solar II was supply & demand, it was also such a key book it was neccessary to make it available to everyone who wanted a copy at the time.

caxiotis wrote:
kevinbastos wrote:
"VALIANT is a company owned and run by creative people. It's a rockin' good place to work. We're entertainers. We don't pre-bag our books, do multiple versions, or try to convince people that issues with millions of copies preserved in plastic are valuable collector's items. We're not the Franklin Mint. We want people to read our work."
Jim Shooter - monthly comic address - November, 1991.

What do you know?

Still holds true today.
I like Jim's statement. I don't know how he can say they didn't do multiple versions though. Under his leadership they did some gold books and a second print of Solar 10

I don't believe that Jim was still around at the time of the Solar #10 second printing.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:41 pm

The coloring that VEI used in the hardcovers. I don't know exactly what they did for the coloring, but I really didn't like it. Just use computer coloring like all books nowadays.

Now to fill in some of my previous one word answers:

- Deathmate - no mention of it at all, please.
- Valiant Vision - I hate anything 3D. It just gives me a headache.
- Dr. Eclipse - This is probably one of the lamest bad guys ever and they used him everywhere.
- Fabien Nicieza - This is the only writer that I avoid anything he does. His writing often infuriates me. He is like a shock jock writer in comics. His worst offense was what he did in a short story in Noble Causes. It was completely out of the books' element and was not necessary. It involved a character getting raped. WTF? Asseclowne.

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:12 pm

I think I read somewhere that the original Valiant lost the Valiant Vision license so I think we're safe (unless VEI wants to license it again

)

How about no Hotwire? He gives horrible dating tips.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:59 am

400yrs wrote:The coloring that VEI used in the hardcovers. I don't know exactly what they did for the coloring, but I really didn't like it. Just use computer coloring like all books nowadays.

I totally agree there. Something about the coloring on ALL the books did not sit right with me. There felt like a 'lack of the color blue' or 'something' that did not look right to me.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 8:46 am

iggy101us wrote:How about no Hotwire? He gives horrible dating tips.

No way! I think Hotwire should answer the letters on the letters page!

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:25 am

400yrs wrote:
iggy101us wrote:How about no Hotwire? He gives horrible dating tips.
No way! I think Hotwire should answer the letters on the letters page!

Would be a laugh

hulk181man · Post by **hulk181man** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:40 am

1. Delays

2. Poor creative teams just for the sake of producing books

3. Back-stabbing and in-fighting among the creators....

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:46 am

Knightt wrote:
400yrs wrote:The coloring that VEI used in the hardcovers. I don't know exactly what they did for the coloring, but I really didn't like it. Just use computer coloring like all books nowadays.
I totally agree there. Something about the coloring on ALL the books did not sit right with me. There felt like a 'lack of the color blue' or 'something' that did not look right to me.

I'm split on the process they used. I think it was much improved by the time A&A came along. In a way, it brought the books to life in a different way. I'm not saying that is a good or bad thing, but I sort of liked what they were going for, even if I almost agree with you that it wasn't quite there yet.

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:07 am

robb77 wrote:
400yrs wrote:
iggy101us wrote:How about no Hotwire? He gives horrible dating tips.
No way! I think Hotwire should answer the letters on the letters page!
Would be a laugh

Great idea! but only on Quantum & Woody! He!!, he might even be able to write Q&W if Priest won't resume duties!

maraxusofkeld · Post by **maraxusofkeld** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:38 pm

Jim Leifield

BruceReville · Post by **BruceReville** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:41 pm

maraxusofkeld wrote:Jim Leifield

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:49 pm

Draco wrote:1. Delays. Books to come out on time all the time please.

2. Poor creative teams for the sake of getting books out.

3. Too many books too soon for the sake of a piece of the pie.

4. Variants that are impossible price wise for us hardcore fans to purchase, or that are made in such small quantities that only people who earn $50k a year can think about buying.

5. Secrecy. Now we seem to be on a roll can we please keep the info coming.

6. Creators who we all agree made books/characters look bad to stay the hell away.

7. The wrong mix of what came before i.e *VALIANT (1991-1996)*, 2 & 3 combined.

8. Lack on non orderable premiums i.e we want old school premiums
given away to those who promote Valiant again for those who will never be able to afford $75 for 1:100 retailer variants.

9. Lack of presence at cons.

10. i thought finding 10 things was gonna be hard and it was.

that pretty much sums it up

Burrito Boy · Post by **Burrito Boy** » Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:08 pm

400yrs wrote:The coloring that VEI used in the hardcovers. I don't know exactly what they did for the coloring, but I really didn't like it. Just use computer coloring like all books nowadays.

I haven't seen the hardcovers so I can't comment on that but I will say that computer coloring is one of the things I really dislike about modern comics. It hurts my eyes because it's so obviously artificial. So I'd have to say it's something I don't want to see in the relaunch.