Your Favorite Series Most Relevent Issue

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:35 pm

Invincible 11.

Possibly Daredevil 7, but it's probably well behind 1.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:36 pm

I LOVE THIS COVER!

(and it was the beginning of the end of my favorite armor

)

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:39 pm

IMJ wrote:
sanman wrote:I can understand that—there were more hard hitting issues like Speedy’s drug abuse seen in #85 and #86. However, to me the importance can be summed in the panels below:

Yes, the characters are directly speaking about racism, but I think there’s so much more going on. It’s as if O’Neil and Adams are saying that up until now comics weren’t very real or relevant, but sequential art can and will be so much more.

I could go on but I’d just be a regurgitating what you already know. So let me just add that personally Green Lantern #76 is the earliest DC comic that challenged me as a member of society.

I love this run of books as each has a relevant tale to tell, but they all point back Green Lantern #76 and the journey we all must take and the responsibility to make a difference along the way.
What you are saying about this is so sound. But it's a social relevance.. much like the Speedy drug issue of that same series is.

Most of the choices so far seem to be defining character moments, or undeniably important moments that define a series, or a set of events. Or even books with a combination of elements that make it the book from a volume. GL #76 is an incredibly relevant comic, but is it the comic that defines Green Lantern and that character's Universe, motivations, relevance? I can say now that it doesn't define Hal's relevance if it's using him as a foil for the story.

Ironically enough, I don't know if I'm disagreeing with you about GL #76! It's just that those are the things that pop into my head about it. It's still a great choice though! Good convo...

Indeed, it is social relevance but that’s why it is so important. It is a declaration that as a medium things were about to change. Its that defining moment when the DCU went from two dimensional heroes to characters with depth with stories that really mattered.

Granted, it would have happened sooner or later, but I argue that Green Lantern #76 not only redefined Green Lantern, his Universe and his motivations but also forged a new foundation for the DCU and modern sequential art.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:44 pm

400yrs wrote:Invincible 11.

What makes that one the most definitive or key of the Invincible series?

OmenSpirits.com wrote:

I LOVE THIS COVER!

(and it was the beginning of the end of my favorite armor )

If I didn't nominate Iron Man #55 for it's overall relevance, either this or #200 would've been my next choices.

sanman wrote:Granted, it would have happened sooner or later, but I argue that Green Lantern #76 not only redefined Green Lantern, his Universe and his motivations but also forged a new foundation for the DCU and modern sequential art.

Well said with this... you make one helluva case here, man!

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:57 pm

IMJ wrote:
sanman wrote:Granted, it would have happened sooner or later, but I argue that Green Lantern #76 not only redefined Green Lantern, his Universe and his motivations but also forged a new foundation for the DCU and modern sequential art.
Well said with this... you make one helluva case here, man!

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:07 pm

sanman wrote:
IMJ wrote:
sanman wrote:I can understand that—there were more hard hitting issues like Speedy’s drug abuse seen in #85 and #86. However, to me the importance can be summed in the panels below:

Yes, the characters are directly speaking about racism, but I think there’s so much more going on. It’s as if O’Neil and Adams are saying that up until now comics weren’t very real or relevant, but sequential art can and will be so much more.

I could go on but I’d just be a regurgitating what you already know. So let me just add that personally Green Lantern #76 is the earliest DC comic that challenged me as a member of society.

I love this run of books as each has a relevant tale to tell, but they all point back Green Lantern #76 and the journey we all must take and the responsibility to make a difference along the way.
What you are saying about this is so sound. But it's a social relevance.. much like the Speedy drug issue of that same series is.

Most of the choices so far seem to be defining character moments, or undeniably important moments that define a series, or a set of events. Or even books with a combination of elements that make it the book from a volume. GL #76 is an incredibly relevant comic, but is it the comic that defines Green Lantern and that character's Universe, motivations, relevance? I can say now that it doesn't define Hal's relevance if it's using him as a foil for the story.

Ironically enough, I don't know if I'm disagreeing with you about GL #76! It's just that those are the things that pop into my head about it. It's still a great choice though! Good convo...
Indeed, it is social relevance but that’s why it is so important. It is a declaration that as a medium things were about to change. Its that defining moment when the DCU went from two dimensional heroes to characters with depth with stories that really mattered.

Granted, it would have happened sooner or later, but I argue that Green Lantern #76 not only redefined Green Lantern, his Universe and his motivations but also forged a new foundation for the DCU and modern sequential art.

Not a bad argument for the nomination. I think comics in general were starting to become aware that times were changing. GL was the first major title to really catch the wave, at least at DC. Some people cite the "Drug issue" in, I believe, Spiderman, but the one in GL/GA was far more realistic.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:15 pm

Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 were ground breaking in their message against drug abuse—leading to the revision of the Comics Code. Previously, the Code forbade the depiction of the use of illegal drugs and just a few months later Speedy would be seen using heroine and a friend dying from an overdose in an Code approved comic.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:18 pm

sanman wrote:Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 were ground breaking in their message against drug abuse—leading to the revision of the Comics Code. Previously, the Code forbade the depiction of the use of illegal drugs and just a few months later Speedy would be seen using heroine and a friend dying from an overdose in an Code approved comic.

The thing about that story is, at least for me...the melodrama is just too much. Speedy's use was a bit more realistic. The myth is that it was the Spiderman story alone. The truth is it was a combination of things. Both stories were created around the same time and DC almost pulled their story once Marvel got theirs to press first.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:25 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
sanman wrote:Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 were ground breaking in their message against drug abuse—leading to the revision of the Comics Code. Previously, the Code forbade the depiction of the use of illegal drugs and just a few months later Speedy would be seen using heroine and a friend dying from an overdose in an Code approved comic.
The thing about that story is, at least for me...the melodrama is just too much. Speedy's use was a bit more realistic. The myth is that it was the Spiderman story alone. The truth is it was a combination of things. Both stories were created around the same time and DC almost pulled their story once Marvel got theirs to press first.

Interesting, thanks for the clarification.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:28 pm

sanman wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
sanman wrote:Amazing Spider-Man #96-98 were ground breaking in their message against drug abuse—leading to the revision of the Comics Code. Previously, the Code forbade the depiction of the use of illegal drugs and just a few months later Speedy would be seen using heroine and a friend dying from an overdose in an Code approved comic.
The thing about that story is, at least for me...the melodrama is just too much. Speedy's use was a bit more realistic. The myth is that it was the Spiderman story alone. The truth is it was a combination of things. Both stories were created around the same time and DC almost pulled their story once Marvel got theirs to press first.
Interesting, thanks for the clarification.

No problem. I love this kind of stuff. It's the flip side of the reason the Comics Code was created, which was a combination of factors including Seduction of the Innocent, books published by EC and some honestly sexually lurid work showing up in corner stores. Oh, and I include some of the bondage covers that major companies were releasing.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:34 pm

400yrs wrote:Invincible 11.

Possibly Daredevil 7, but it's probably well behind 1.

I totally agree on Invincible #11. Great cover, and totally sets the entire story (for at least up until I have read [up to #45]).

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:00 am

Flash v2 - Flash 0

This one is slightly different. It's not revolutionary in the manner that it changes the character forever like most of the stories here but instead cements Wally as THE Flash for that era. I think after this issue Wally became a complete character, heavily influenced by Barry, but also now his own man. It's absolutely brilliant too. Waid and Weiringo at their best.

OmenSpirits.com · Post by **OmenSpirits.com** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:48 pm

ian_house wrote:Flash v2 - Flash 0

This one is slightly different. It's not revolutionary in the manner that it changes the character forever like most of the stories here but instead cements Wally as THE Flash for that era. I think after this issue Wally became a complete character, heavily influenced by Barry, but also now his own man. It's absolutely brilliant too. Waid and Weiringo at their best.

I can agree with this.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:59 pm

ian_house wrote:Flash v2 - Flash 0

This one is slightly different. It's not revolutionary in the manner that it changes the character forever like most of the stories here but instead cements Wally as THE Flash for that era. I think after this issue Wally became a complete character, heavily influenced by Barry, but also now his own man. It's absolutely brilliant too. Waid and Weiringo at their best.

Sounds good and that is a great cover.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:08 pm

Elveen wrote:
400yrs wrote:Invincible 11.

Possibly Daredevil 7, but it's probably well behind 1.

I totally agree on Invincible #11. Great cover, and totally sets the entire story (for at least up until I have read [up to #45]).

Yep. Can't say much more than that without spoiling.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:56 pm

great picks so far

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:30 pm

What about some Valiant's? What're the single defining, relevant and must own Harbinger, Solar and Magnus books? Is it safe to say that for Rai it's Rai #0?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:37 pm

IMJ wrote:What about some Valiant's? What're the single defining, relevant and must own Harbinger, Solar and Magnus books? Is it safe to say that for Rai it's Rai #0?

I always liked Rai 29...

Yes, that was a random choice.

But in all seriousness, not a bad question. Want to start a thread in the General Valiant section?

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 10:22 pm

IMJ wrote:What about some Valiant's? What're the single defining, relevant and must own Harbinger, Solar and Magnus books? Is it safe to say that for Rai it's Rai #0?

Harbinger - Maybe the death of Torque, but #1 is still bigger for me.

Solar - That's easy. #10 is the defining issue of the series. Not because of the cover, but because of the story.

Magnus - I can't pin one down. #0 was terrible. Both of the first 2 arcs were fantastic.

Shadowman - Issue #11 where he becomes a death runner. Maybe #10.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:01 pm

400yrs wrote:
IMJ wrote:What about some Valiant's? What're the single defining, relevant and must own Harbinger, Solar and Magnus books? Is it safe to say that for Rai it's Rai #0?
Harbinger - Maybe the death of Torque, but #1 is still bigger for me.

Solar - That's easy. #10 is the defining issue of the series. Not because of the cover, but because of the story.

Magnus - I can't pin one down. #0 was terrible. Both of the first 2 arcs were fantastic.

Shadowman - Issue #11 where he becomes a death runner. Maybe #10.

I loved the Death Runner storyline in Shadowman. But for me it is A&A #0 and EW #1.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 11:51 pm

Elveen wrote:I loved the Death Runner storyline in Shadowman. But for me it is A&A #0 and EW #1.

Rules, rules! It changes the whole paradigm of what we are doing here if you pick a number 1 issue! None of that! -smacks hand-

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:24 am

IMJ wrote:
Elveen wrote:I loved the Death Runner storyline in Shadowman. But for me it is A&A #0 and EW #1.
Rules, rules! It changes the whole paradigm of what we are doing here if you pick a number 1 issue! None of that! -smacks hand-

My bad.

Then hows about.........

Shadowman #8.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 2:38 am

Elveen wrote:
IMJ wrote:
Elveen wrote:I loved the Death Runner storyline in Shadowman. But for me it is A&A #0 and EW #1.
Rules, rules! It changes the whole paradigm of what we are doing here if you pick a number 1 issue! None of that! -smacks hand-
My bad.

Then hows about.........

Shadowman #8.

yeah, that's a pretty cool book...

I actually have a lot more than these, this is just the most recent picture.

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:19 am

Elveen wrote:
IMJ wrote:
Elveen wrote:I loved the Death Runner storyline in Shadowman. But for me it is A&A #0 and EW #1.
Rules, rules! It changes the whole paradigm of what we are doing here if you pick a number 1 issue! None of that! -smacks hand-
My bad.

Then hows about.........

Shadowman #8.

Awesome... I was leaning towards that one too! It's a great Shadowman story representative of the character and a relevent first appearance that's important to the entire VU!

Brother J wrote:yeah, that's a pretty cool book...

I actually have a lot more than these, this is just the most recent picture.

Wow, man!

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:40 am

Some of the mainstream Marvel and DC characters are really tough because they've got so much history. Granted that I've only read maybe a fraction of all of the Superman stories out there, but what about either Superman Annual #11 (1985) or Action Comics #775?

Two very definitive Superman stories...