So whats the deal with PGX and CGG?

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:15 am

DawgPhan wrote:
Chuck wrote:
Peter Parker wrote:Ignorance, is forever bliss
Ok folks, as Pete woudl say: you need to be informed. Here is the famous thread about CGG/PGA/PGX missing restoration on a couple of Silver Age Amazing Spider man.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=1&vc=1

knowledge is power.

off topic:

on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

Oh, our own Dawgphan also posted in the said thread too
You should also post the thread were CGC has missed restoration and missing pages....both companies make mistakes...it is how they deal with them that is really in question.

Oh and the worst thing that CGG has done is deal with our very own ryostar...

I don't have anything to say about ryostar, but I think dawgy is right on here, any company that provides a product or service can make a mistake, I own a food service operation and deal with mistakes every day. How you handle these issues is what it's all about, and in the end the customer decides whether to return or not. If you handle a bad issue correctly it usually can bring greater customer loyalty because he feels you care for his particular needs and that he has a positive experience. Because I haven't sent any books to CGC in a while and have 0 experience with CGG/PGX or whatever, I think their success or lack of is being shown in the marketplace, and that's about it.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:25 am

Exactly...CGC misses a missing page in a mid grade DD reader and they make sure that the owner gets a new copy of that DD book comeplete...Oh and the person that found the mistake bought the slab from someone and cracked it. CGC made sure it was fixed and he was made whole 110% PGX gets called to the carpet and they talk about how it wasnt their fault or question the validity of the claim...CGC doesnt do that...they just fix it.

Oh PGX needs to understand that people like ryostar are not the types to do business with...He is destorying any street cred that PGX might have...he is a cancer on that company...They have a chance, since they are firmly the #2 company in this market, but they really need to get their act together...They do offer a cheaper/faster service on moderns. I will question their restoration experts, but other than that...oh and their grading is weak in the middle on SA books..

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:42 am

wrunow wrote: any company that provides a product or service can make a mistake, I own a food service operation and deal with mistakes every day.

Do you sell chili to Wendy's?

[ducks]

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 2:33 pm

DawgPhan wrote:Exactly...CGC misses a missing page in a mid grade DD reader and they make sure that the owner gets a new copy of that DD book comeplete...Oh and the person that found the mistake bought the slab from someone and cracked it. CGC made sure it was fixed and he was made whole 110% PGX gets called to the carpet and they talk about how it wasnt their fault or question the validity of the claim...CGC doesnt do that...they just fix it.

Oh PGX needs to understand that people like ryostar are not the types to do business with...He is destorying any street cred that PGX might have...he is a cancer on that company...They have a chance, since they are firmly the #2 company in this market, but they really need to get their act together...They do offer a cheaper/faster service on moderns. I will question their restoration experts, but other than that...oh and their grading is weak in the middle on SA books..

Good Point

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:36 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
wrunow wrote: any company that provides a product or service can make a mistake, I own a food service operation and deal with mistakes every day.
Do you sell chili to Wendy's?
[ducks]

No, we only sell our chili here, but we do a finger count every day with the cooks now just in case.

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 3:39 pm

wrunow wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
wrunow wrote: any company that provides a product or service can make a mistake, I own a food service operation and deal with mistakes every day.
Do you sell chili to Wendy's?
[ducks]
No, we only sell our chili here, but we do a finger count every day with the cooks now just in case.

I manage a deli and pub on the weekends...not bad work if you can get it..seems like there are a few restrauant managers around here these days..

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:17 pm

wrunow wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Do you sell chili to Wendy's?
[ducks]
No, we only sell our chili here, but we do a finger count every day with the cooks now just in case.

Thecomicguys · Post by **Thecomicguys** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 10:17 pm

Chuck wrote:
Peter Parker wrote:Ignorance, is forever bliss
Ok folks, as Pete woudl say: you need to be informed. Here is the famous thread about CGG/PGA/PGX missing restoration on a couple of Silver Age Amazing Spider man.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=1&vc=1

knowledge is power.

off topic:

on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

Oh, our own Dawgphan also posted in the said thread too

We did made a mistake by trying to come up with possible explanations before we looked into this more closely.

Have we made mistakes? Yes
Can you find the truth in those threads? No

We are always happy to speak with anyone that has questions about anything that is brought up in any forum.

Daniel

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Tue Apr 26, 2005 11:00 pm

Chuck wrote: off topic:

on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

Humina, humina, humina.......

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:00 am

400yrs wrote:
Chuck wrote: off topic:

on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

Humina, humina, humina.......

now what were we talking about cgx cga ccc

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 7:36 am

Thecomicguys wrote:
Chuck wrote:
Peter Parker wrote:Ignorance, is forever bliss
Ok folks, as Pete woudl say: you need to be informed. Here is the famous thread about CGG/PGA/PGX missing restoration on a couple of Silver Age Amazing Spider man.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=1&vc=1

knowledge is power.

off topic:

on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

Oh, our own Dawgphan also posted in the said thread too
We did made a mistake by trying to come up with possible explanations before we looked into this more closely.

Have we made mistakes? Yes
Can you find the truth in those threads? No

We are always happy to speak with anyone that has questions about anything that is brought up in any forum.

Daniel

Now this is what I am talking about...

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:49 am

Chuck wrote:on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed Apr 27, 2005 10:51 am

depluto wrote:
Chuck wrote:on the same thread, check out a video giff of board member Rickdogg; it's next to last at the bottom:
http://boards.collectors-society.com/sh ... art=7&vc=1

224gideon · Post by **224gideon** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:01 pm

hopefully this isn't off topic but i just

got the grades on some modern books that

i sent in to cgc.....and did they screw up on some of them.

For example a vol.2#1 d.d was graded a 9.4?This book was stunning

and i would have never sent it in if i didn't think it was at least a 9.6

I got x-men #248-9.4?and 268#9.6

I just don't get it these books

were in such stunning shape that i had a hard time seeing any flaws on

them?If the graded would have been one lower instead of two to three i

would have understood but a 9.4 on the d.d#1???It *SQUEE* me off to no

end.I am seriously thinking about sending my second bacth in to pgx

becuase i am disappointed in cgc not becuase i didn't get the grade i wanted

but becuase thy lacked consistency.I am sending in next 4 magnus#0's

3 magnus#1's and a e.warrior #1 gold embossed variant.On a positive

note the mag#0 i got back was a 9.8!three cheers......

DawgPhan · Post by **DawgPhan** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:04 pm

Remember that just because the grades arent exactly what you thought they should be doesnt mean that cgc messed up...it just means that you disagreed on the grade...maybe you could call and get grader's notes, but i dont know that they keep graders notes on NM moderns..

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:11 pm

CGC screwed up? no offense bro' but perhaps YOU cannot grade

just a thought

Peter Parker · Post by **Peter Parker** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 1:14 pm

CHUCK...way to go brother

thanks for elucidating all that need know about that past CGC thread regarding CGG/PGA/PGX/POS... awesome job

Denile... ain't just that river in Egypt Daniel

224gideon · Post by **224gideon** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:25 pm

Mr. parker obviously by the
other grades i got i can grade!!

I really think that the d.d#1 was a serious mistake because the book

looked absolutley like a 9.8.It is possible i missed something but i would think differently if my other grades were that far off?

I am really tempted to send it back it and see if the grades correlate

because if i was that far off then they should catch it again...no?

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:36 pm

My guess is that there may be a printing defect with the book.

CGC has graded 324 copies of Daredevil Volume 2 #1...
Only 5.6% have been CGC 9.8.

Compare that to 37.8% in CGC 9.8 for Daredevil Volume 2 #2.

While it's true that you might get a different grade by re-submitting,
it's pretty clear that "something's up" with most copies of that particular book.

It may have something similar to the "Harbinger 1" defect...
which has seen experienced graders who were absolutely SURE
they were going to get a 9.8 and have them return as CGC 9.2.
(Harbinger 1 has 7.4% in CGC 9.8... so Daredevil is "freaky-low".)

I'd say that after grading 324 copies...
CGC knows specifically what to look for on that issue.
(...and who knows how many more they pre-screened and didn't slab!)

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:41 pm

greg wrote: It may have something similar to the "Harbinger 1" defect...
which has seen experienced graders who were absolutely SURE
they were going to get a 9.8 and have them return as CGC 9.2.

My guess is that after grading 324 copies... CGC knows what to look for.

What is it that they look at with the Harby 1. My guess is the spine. Anything else in particular? I'd guess that a 3 staple version is a lot less likely to get a 9.8 if for no other reason the "overall eye appeal" that decreases with that third staple and the extra minor wear that generally accumulates around any staple.

Aren't printing defects not supposed to be considered in the grading by CGC unless obvious. For example, they seem to disregard that upper left corner problem on the Harby pinks.

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:43 pm

400yrs wrote:What is it that they look at with the Harby 1. My guess is the spine. Anything else in particular? I'd guess that a 3 staple version is a lot less likely to get a 9.8 if for no other reason the "overall eye appeal" that decreases with that third staple and the extra minor wear that generally accumulates around any staple.

Aren't printing defects not supposed to be considered in the grading by CGC unless obvious. For example, they seem to disregard that upper left corner problem on the Harby pinks.

Harbinger 1 is known to split at the cover spine crease.

CGC most definitely considers printing defects.
It's sometimes the single reason a book drops .2 or .4 points.
Even prior to CGC, the first Overstreet Grading Guide (1992)
describes a 9.8 (98) example as having a tiny corner tear, staple ridge,
slight bindery corner, and tiny color fleck all on the same comic! (pg. 65)

The printing defect on Harbinger 0 Pink is definitely that "line"
on the top left corner, but I'd say that's better than a "tiny color fleck",
not to mention the other three problems.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:46 pm

greg wrote:Harbinger 1 is known to split at the cover spine crease.

yeah, tell me about it. A bunch of my copies have that and almost all of my Solar #4s have spine splits. Is that it on the harby 1? I found a 3 staple copy a few weeks ago that does not even break any color on the spine, much less have splits or the beginning of splits. I think I'll end up submitting it eventually, but I'll keep an open mind that it might come back with a BAD grade.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:50 pm

The whole two and three staple copies existing for Harby 1 really bugs me.

I feel a need to know how many of each variety were done, and why they were done like that. Is one a second print?

I seem to vaguely recall a discussion on this pre-board-crash but I don't remember any details.

Anyone?

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