Who were the Valiant Characters created by.

dhudson1 · Post by **dhudson1** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 10:06 am

iggy101us wrote:
Who were the Valiant Characters created by?
Solar created the Valiant Universe (by extension the Valiant characters) after he destroyed his universe.

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dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:42 am

dhudson1 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
Who were the Valiant Characters created by?
Solar created the Valiant Universe (by extension the Valiant characters) after he destroyed his universe.
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That's a nice answer, but it's wrong.

According to X-O 68 Aric's subconscious created the Valiant Universe.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:50 am

dave wrote:
dhudson1 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
Who were the Valiant Characters created by?
Solar created the Valiant Universe (by extension the Valiant characters) after he destroyed his universe.
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That's a nice answer, but it's wrong.

According to X-O 68 Aric's subconscious created the Valiant Universe.

XO 68 is not canon. It wasn't part of Rai 0, so there ya go

(personally, there were some cool ideas in 68)

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:51 am

xodacia81 wrote:Jim Shooter and Bob Layton always credited Kevin Van Hook with the creation of:

Bloodshot

Don Perlin had a lot of influence in the creation of this character... a lot.

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:53 am

xodacia81 wrote:
dave wrote:
dhudson1 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
Who were the Valiant Characters created by?
Solar created the Valiant Universe (by extension the Valiant characters) after he destroyed his universe.
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That's a nice answer, but it's wrong.

According to X-O 68 Aric's subconscious created the Valiant Universe.
XO 68 is not canon. It wasn't part of Rai 0, so there ya go

(personally, there were some cool ideas in 68)

I'm just messing btw...

But it is canon, as it is included.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:53 am

Knightt wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:Jim Shooter and Bob Layton always credited Kevin Van Hook with the creation of:

Bloodshot
Don Perlin had a lot of influence in the creation of this character... a lot.

I'm cool with adding Don as one of the creators

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 11:55 am

dave wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
dave wrote:
dhudson1 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
Who were the Valiant Characters created by?
Solar created the Valiant Universe (by extension the Valiant characters) after he destroyed his universe.
BEST ANSWER
That's a nice answer, but it's wrong.

According to X-O 68 Aric's subconscious created the Valiant Universe.
XO 68 is not canon. It wasn't part of Rai 0, so there ya go

(personally, there were some cool ideas in 68)
I'm just messing btw...

But it is canon, as it is included.

We could always use Didion logic(as in the illogic applied to DC by Dan DiDio), whereby whatever we don't want to use can be disregarded, then filled in by something we just came up with or connected by a huge stretch to something we think might be a better fit.

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:50 pm

xodacia81 wrote:Archer & Armstrong: Jim Shooter, Bob Layton & Barry Windsor-Smith
Eternal Warrior: Jim Shooter, Chuck Dixon, Barry Windsor-Smith & Bob Layton
Ninjak: Mark Moretti & Joe Quesada
Rai: Jim Shooter, Bob Layton & David Lapham
Shadowman: Jim Shooter,Steve Englehart, Bob Layton & Daviid Lapham
Timewalker: Barry Windsor-Smith
XO-Manowar: Jim Shooter, Bob Layton, John Hartz

This isn't complete and the info might be wrong but to the best of my knowledge, these are the people credited most consistently.

Thanks, this appears to be the most useful info so far.

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:51 pm

dave wrote:Pretty much Bob created everything, and everyone else tried to steal the credit.

That's a joke right. Really I hope you're kidding.

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:54 pm

dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.

I think if you take a look at how the character development hit a wall and the stories got predictable and repetitive that Jim's value to the group was obvious. The later sales were based on the popularity of the characters and the comic investment boom.

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:19 pm

dellamorte wrote:I think JayJay had a lot to do with the early Valiant characters.

BWS created Darque (or at least says he did).

I agree, Jim does give credit to Jay Jay. Although, sometimes he does so to discredit Bob Layton.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:30 pm

captain1stern wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
I think if you take a look at how the character development hit a wall and the stories got predictable and repetitive that Jim's value to the group was obvious. The later sales were based on the popularity of the characters and the comic investment boom.

Dave was just messin' with you, bro.

-slym

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:35 pm

slym2none wrote:
captain1stern wrote:
dave wrote:If you look at how long they lasted without that guy I think it proves how little he brought to the table.

None of his books ever sold a million copies.
I think if you take a look at how the character development hit a wall and the stories got predictable and repetitive that Jim's value to the group was obvious. The later sales were based on the popularity of the characters and the comic investment boom.
Dave was just messin' with you, bro.

-slym

Oh good, I know Layton would say he did it all, glad no one believes him. Thanks for letting me know. Without talking to someone face to face it's hard to know they are kidding unless they put in those stupic "ha, ha" or "lol" stuff.

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 5:22 pm

Either that, or if there name on this board is dave then that's a good indicator as well...

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 7:42 pm

Yeah, Dave has to tell us when he's being serious instead of the other way around.

-slym

JCVaughn · Post by **JCVaughn** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:52 pm

I'm curious about the listing of Chuck Dixon. Not John?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:53 pm

JCVaughn wrote:I'm curious about the listing of Chuck Dixon. Not John?

I think that's an ooops

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Oct 06, 2010 9:57 pm

slym2none wrote:Yeah, Dave has to tell us when he's being serious instead of the other way around.

-slym

Again and again! No, I'm serious!

Second_Death · Post by **Second_Death** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:15 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
dellamorte wrote:From the interview I did with Jim Shooter for the Solar 10 extra book.

"I pretty much made up the Geomancers on the fly. Like everything at VALIANT (all caps, always), I batted the idea around with some of the crew. JayJay Jackson and Don Perlin, in particular, were involved. JayJay contributed some thoughts. Don designed first-appearing Geomancer and insisted that he be named Geoff McHenry. He also designed Geoff’s uncle/mentor and insisted that he be named Buck McHenry. I don’t know why. When Don insisted, you didn’t argue. Besides, what he did was great.

The Eternal Warrior came about more gradually. JayJay and I discussed the idea of a hero who’d been around for a looong time—someone who had been through Hell again and again, but had the courage to stay the course. She contributed a great deal to the concept. Around the same time, we were developing Archer and Armstrong, and a lot of ideas knit together nicely. That’s one of the joys of creative work. When it’s flowing, it…flows. Confluences just happen."
Ah, those were the days.

Indeed.

You know, I think they had it going again at Broadway. That is of course until the financial wall caved in.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 10:34 am

Second_Death wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
dellamorte wrote:From the interview I did with Jim Shooter for the Solar 10 extra book.

"I pretty much made up the Geomancers on the fly. Like everything at VALIANT (all caps, always), I batted the idea around with some of the crew. JayJay Jackson and Don Perlin, in particular, were involved. JayJay contributed some thoughts. Don designed first-appearing Geomancer and insisted that he be named Geoff McHenry. He also designed Geoff’s uncle/mentor and insisted that he be named Buck McHenry. I don’t know why. When Don insisted, you didn’t argue. Besides, what he did was great.

The Eternal Warrior came about more gradually. JayJay and I discussed the idea of a hero who’d been around for a looong time—someone who had been through Hell again and again, but had the courage to stay the course. She contributed a great deal to the concept. Around the same time, we were developing Archer and Armstrong, and a lot of ideas knit together nicely. That’s one of the joys of creative work. When it’s flowing, it…flows. Confluences just happen."
Ah, those were the days.
Indeed.

You know, I think they had it going again at Broadway. That is of course until the financial wall caved in.

Both Broadway and Defiant had something special. When it comes to choosing reliable, longterm business partners, Shooter seems to have a pretty bad head on his shoulders.

captain1stern · Post by **captain1stern** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:09 pm

Indeed.

You know, I think they had it going again at Broadway. That is of course until the financial wall caved in.

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Both Broadway and Defiant had something special. When it comes to choosing reliable, longterm business partners, Shooter seems to have a pretty bad head on his shoulders.[/quote]

I read some of the Defiant Stuff and it was pretty good, not as good as the Valiant stuff that he helped create before he left, but definitely as good as the Valiant stuff created after he left. Warriors of Plasm was pretty fun, plus David Lapham was on that one with Jim, as was Dark Dominion.

Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:17 pm

captain1stern wrote:Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?

I like Fatale and Powers That Be/Star Seed.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:49 pm

iggy101us wrote:
captain1stern wrote:Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?
I like Fatale and Powers That Be/Star Seed.

Those were good and besides, you had J.G. Jones drawing HUGE chested women. Nothing bad there.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:10 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
captain1stern wrote:Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?
I like Fatale and Powers That Be/Star Seed.
Those were good and besides, you had J.G. Jones drawing HUGE chested women. Nothing bad there.

Gigantomastia is not something to be taken lightly.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:14 pm

Chiclo wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
captain1stern wrote:Definitely worth checking out. Was any of the Broadway stuff particularly good?
I like Fatale and Powers That Be/Star Seed.
Those were good and besides, you had J.G. Jones drawing HUGE chested women. Nothing bad there.
Gigantomastia is not something to be taken lightly.

I have several friends who would agree.