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Alan Moore talks about Watchmen and a the proposed sequel.

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I'm with Moore DCE needs to focus on the DCU, Vertigo, Wildstorm, and the rest of their lines, and not doing sequels, prequels, and spin-offs for and from Watchmen. If Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, JMS, Jim Lee, and the rest of their "top flight talent", can't sell the comics that they write and draw then doing any kind of book that connects to Watchmen would be a disaster and even if somehow Moore and Gibbons did a sequel/prequel/spin-off that chances are it would suck. There are some stories shouldn't be expanded they should be left alone and IMHO Watchmen is one of those stories, it should be left alone.

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Cyberstrike wrote:I'm with Moore DCE needs to focus on the DCU, Vertigo, Wildstorm, and the rest of their lines, and not doing sequels, prequels, and spin-offs for and from Watchmen. If Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, JMS, Jim Lee, and the rest of their "top flight talent", can't sell the comics that they write and draw then doing any kind of book that connects to Watchmen would be a disaster and even if somehow Moore and Gibbons did a sequel/prequel/spin-off that chances are it would suck. There are some stories shouldn't be expanded they should be left alone and IMHO Watchmen is one of those stories, it should be left alone.
I will disagree a bit with one thing. I have no problem with expanding a good story. The key is making it good. If they can do an good Watchmen sequel or prequel or whatever, cool. I think about some of the Fantasy books I have really enjoyed, when the story is over, I am bummed. I would love for them to write more great stories set in the same world.

The key is for it to be a good story.

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Great read.

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Alan Moore is a bit paranoid, isn't he?

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Heath wrote:Alan Moore is a bit paranoid, isn't he?
"a bit" is an understatement...HUGE understatement

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Draco wrote:Great read.
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myron wrote:
Heath wrote:Alan Moore is a bit paranoid, isn't he?
"a bit" is an understatement...HUGE understatement
Alan Moore...is like all the 1970's conspiracy thrillers combined and then multiplied x's pi and crossed with an ego the size of Jupiter. Great writer but even when one agrees with him, I can't help but notice that it seems he's convinced he is the only person in the world with any "ethics/standards", that only his should apply and that is nothing but an innocent victim.

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ya a LOT paronoid

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He also has a "Prince Albert."

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xodacia81 wrote:
myron wrote:
Heath wrote:Alan Moore is a bit paranoid, isn't he?
"a bit" is an understatement...HUGE understatement
Alan Moore...is like all the 1970's conspiracy thrillers combined and then multiplied x's pi and crossed with an ego the size of Jupiter. Great writer but even when one agrees with him, I can't help but notice that it seems he's convinced he is the only person in the world with any "ethics/standards", that only his should apply and that is nothing but an innocent victim.
That's a lot nicer than I would have put it.

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I like the part where he hates capitalism but lives in a castle in the uk

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Regardless of most of that crap, DC are still wrong with how they handled Watchmen with him.

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slym2none wrote:He also has a "Prince Albert."

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-slym (read it in an interview that Wizard did with him years back)
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Actually, I know what you're talking about, can't imagine why the hell anyone would want to do that. :o

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Elveen wrote:
Cyberstrike wrote:I'm with Moore DCE needs to focus on the DCU, Vertigo, Wildstorm, and the rest of their lines, and not doing sequels, prequels, and spin-offs for and from Watchmen. If Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, JMS, Jim Lee, and the rest of their "top flight talent", can't sell the comics that they write and draw then doing any kind of book that connects to Watchmen would be a disaster and even if somehow Moore and Gibbons did a sequel/prequel/spin-off that chances are it would suck. There are some stories shouldn't be expanded they should be left alone and IMHO Watchmen is one of those stories, it should be left alone.
I will disagree a bit with one thing. I have no problem with expanding a good story. The key is making it good. If they can do an good Watchmen sequel or prequel or whatever, cool. I think about some of the Fantasy books I have really enjoyed, when the story is over, I am bummed. I would love for them to write more great stories set in the same world.

The key is for it to be a good story.
Watchmen is IMHO a GREAT story, so even a good story would suck. Besides there is nothing to explore in it.

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superman-prime wrote:I like the part where he hates capitalism but lives in a castle in the uk
He lives in a fairly modest house in Northampton (an average, and certainly not rich bit of the UK) as it goes.

I'm against any prequels/sequels to Watchmen (I believe some of it's longevity can be attributed to the fact it's a standalone tpb), although I concede a certain fanboy-ish, car-crash curiosity to what they look like (and who would do them).

The interesting thing here as far as anyone, including mister Moore, understands the Watchmen contract DC own the property lock, stock and barrel (him and Dave Gibbons have first refusal on producing any other material, and if it goes out of print, rights revert to the original creators, but that's 'it' in terms of contractual obligations).

So either DC aren't producing additional Watchmen material because they think it won't be profitable (unlikely, a former EIC of DC stated that doing a sequel without Moore's consent would cause 'ill will' within the comics community, but times and have changed), out of respect for the original creators wishes (unlikely, especially given how vocally Alan Moore has dissed DC) -or- the contract isn't as cut and dried as it seems.

Whichever way, much as I love Alan Moore's work, I hate seeing dirty laundry aired in public.

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Zool wrote:
superman-prime wrote:I like the part where he hates capitalism but lives in a castle in the uk
He lives in a fairly modest house in Northampton (an average, and certainly not rich bit of the UK) as it goes.

I'm against any prequels/sequels to Watchmen (I believe some of it's longevity can be attributed to the fact it's a standalone tpb), although I concede a certain fanboy-ish, car-crash curiosity to what they look like (and who would do them).

The interesting thing here as far as anyone, including mister Moore, understands the Watchmen contract DC own the property lock, stock and barrel (him and Dave Gibbons have first refusal on producing any other material, and if it goes out of print, rights revert to the original creators, but that's 'it' in terms of contractual obligations).

So either DC aren't producing additional Watchmen material because they think it won't be profitable (unlikely, a former EIC of DC stated that doing a sequel without Moore's consent would cause 'ill will' within the comics community, but times and have changed), out of respect for the original creators wishes (unlikely, especially given how vocally Alan Moore has dissed DC) -or- the contract isn't as cut and dried as it seems.

Whichever way, much as I love Alan Moore's work, I hate seeing dirty laundry aired in public.
That right there, folks, is the main issue I've had with Moore. He likes to put things out there when it would be better to keep it private. Perhaps his lack of professionalism is the real reason he dried up in comics and now that nobody wants him, he's "choosing" to leave?

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Alan Moore is extremely pretentious more than anything, and IMO Watchmen was the same kind of 'gritty' silliness that he criticizes Frank Miller for.

Moore's work on Supreme and Miracle Man was far better than Watchmen or V for Vendetta. Topical, political comics are headache inducing as it is (because comic book writers have no idea what they're talking about), and when they're an uptight Brit who calls himself a 'Chaos Magician' it may well induce a nosebleed.

DC needs to focus on its core Universe and its successful Vertigo lines, and it it's going to be making movies of anything it needs to be a faithful rendering of Superman.

And, yeah, if it wasn't for capitalism there wouldn't be a comic book industry. It was old fashioned greed that built and sustained pulp fiction, and it was military-related subsidies that turned 40s comics into propagandistic jokes.

I'm not trying to diss Moore, he's a great writer when he's under some kind of discipline and framework; but when you let artists do what they want without the discipline of the market or management they usually end up producing extremely high quality crap.

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yep wildcats anyone

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superman-prime wrote:yep wildcats anyone
lol, the best drawn worst plotted X-Men ever.

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RJMooreII wrote:
superman-prime wrote:yep wildcats anyone
lol, the best drawn worst plotted X-Men ever.



:clap: :lol: :thumb:

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OmenSpirits.com wrote:
RJMooreII wrote:
superman-prime wrote:yep wildcats anyone
lol, the best drawn worst plotted X-Men ever.



:clap: :lol: :thumb:
Seriously, how can this not be good?
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You've got badass angry Superman with a gambit half-mask, people with feathered haircuts, a guy with cybernetic arms and a gun that he apparently stole from Green Hornet. What's missing?
Oh...story.

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So.....I'm the only one here who kinda liked Moore's Wildcats?

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chisumwomack wrote:So.....I'm the only one here who kinda liked Moore's Wildcats?
It was better than Brandon Choi's runs, but the whole series was just a disaster to me. The only character I really took a liking to was Majestic, and his solo stuff was better. He was...unbelievably more powerful than the entire rest of the team. It was like Kingdom Come Superman on the X-Men.

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chisumwomack wrote:So.....I'm the only one here who kinda liked Moore's Wildcats?
I have to admit I enjoyed Moore's Wildcats to. The art was good and his stories were amazing compared to the bland writing that the series had seen before him.


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