New direction for Valiant

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:31 am

Just talking out of my *SQUEE* here ...

How about if when the new Valiant is unleashed, the direction is tremendously different from the old VH1? Sex. Violence. Mature themes, stuff for adults. Graphic.

Look at great comics like Walking Dead (thanks 400, for steering me to that). Look at moments like in Spider-Man recently when the Lizard killed his son. Look at television like the Sopranos or True Blood. And look at all of us, many years older and very different people from when we started reading this stuff.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:35 am

A nude erect-what?

Oh, wait.. New. Direction. Sorry. Heard that wrong.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:36 am

Dr. Solar wrote:A nude erect-what?

Oh, wait.. New. Direction. Sorry. Heard that wrong.

Back in the day, I think they called those boners.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:39 am

depluto wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:A nude erect-what?

Oh, wait.. New. Direction. Sorry. Heard that wrong.
Back in the day, I think they called those boners.

Some kind of NewDirection like this then:

Maybe?

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:16 pm

Valiant had those things they just dealt with them in a mature way. Unity contained some pretty weird sexual themes. Violence is a staple of superhero comics.

As long as it's not presented like a 90s image comic then I'm in.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:19 pm

ya ill pass on any more shadowhawk

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:19 pm

depluto wrote:Just talking out of my *SQUEE* here ...

How about if when the new Valiant is unleashed, the direction is tremendously different from the old *VALIANT (1991-1996)*? Sex. Violence. Mature themes, stuff for adults. Graphic.

Look at great comics like Walking Dead (thanks 400, for steering me to that). Look at moments like in Spider-Man recently when the Lizard killed his son. Look at television like the Sopranos or True Blood. And look at all of us, many years older and very different people from when we started reading this stuff.

If the stories were good . . then I'm in 100 percent . . .

In fact I think it's a really good idea . . .

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:21 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:
depluto wrote:
Dr. Solar wrote:A nude erect-what?

Oh, wait.. New. Direction. Sorry. Heard that wrong.
Back in the day, I think they called those boners.
Some kind of NewDirection like this then:

Maybe?

Great find!

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:30 pm

The only thing with doing that is you are cutting off a big portion of a potential audience. I wonder if VEI are thinking of doing a separate set of books aimed at kids/pre-teen/teenagers?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:31 pm

Although there is a market for these themes, I hope VEI doenst go this way. Im a fairly conservative guy, and I enjoyed the level of 'maturity' that the old VALIANT books had. Less is better for me. I think it takes a lot more talent to write a consistently good series without delving into sex, drugs, gratuitous graphic violence, ect...

I hope VEI takes the higher road. I want to sit with my kids a read these books without fear of coming across something that needs a lot of explaining.

Too much adult content is what drove me away from buying new comics. I think it was the DC series 52. I had to explain why there were two women with slinky underwear on laying in the same bed to my wife. It wasnt a pretty explanation, so I decided to stop buying.

From a business perspective I would like to see some data in regards to what makes the most money up front, not after market. Another thing to consider is marketing toys, video games, movies, ect... thats a ton of money right there.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:55 pm

Elveen wrote:The only thing with doing that is you are cutting off a big portion of a potential audience. I wonder if VEI are thinking of doing a separate set of books aimed at kids/pre-teen/teenagers?

Nothing wrong with treading two paths, for sure.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:59 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:Although there is a market for these themes, I hope VEI doenst go this way. Im a fairly conservative guy, and I enjoyed the level of 'maturity' that the old VALIANT books had. Less is better for me. I think it takes a lot more talent to write a consistently good series without delving into sex, drugs, gratuitous graphic violence, ect...

It takes talent to write well on any topic. Some writers/artists handle mature themes better than superheroes (Garth Ennis with his Punisher stories, for example); some are the opposite. Whatever they do, I want to see it done well.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:03 pm

depluto wrote:
Elveen wrote:The only thing with doing that is you are cutting off a big portion of a potential audience. I wonder if VEI are thinking of doing a separate set of books aimed at kids/pre-teen/teenagers?
Nothing wrong with treading two paths, for sure.

I agree. It would be cool if they did "Marvel Superhero Squad" type Valiant books. Sell them for $2 and every time an old timer like us bought a new VEI Valiant book, we would buy the $2 Valiant Superheroes book for our kids.

It's a win win.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:07 pm

IanAlexavier wrote: Too much adult content is what drove me away from buying new comics. I think it was the DC series 52. I had to explain why there were two women with slinky underwear on laying in the same bed to my wife. It wasnt a pretty explanation, so I decided to stop buying.

But Mother God's transparent attire was cool with you?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:09 pm

Acclaim made Shadowman very graphic and mature themed and it didn't seem to make it any more appealing to the fans. I think it's also interesting that when they went back to a more typical, less graphic comic, things got much better.

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:12 pm

I think Valiant was pretty mature at the time. Aric getting bitten nearly in half and all those poor dinosaurs getting blow away. Yeah, and the adult and sexual themes of Albert, Erica, abuse, . . . It was more adult than any other comics I was reading at the time.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:20 pm

ian_house wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote: Too much adult content is what drove me away from buying new comics. I think it was the DC series 52. I had to explain why there were two women with slinky underwear on laying in the same bed to my wife. It wasnt a pretty explanation, so I decided to stop buying.
But Mother God's transparent attire was cool with you?

I think this was done tastefully.. it wasnt about her big breasts and nipples, in a sexual situaion INTENDED to arouse men.. it was more about character with her. Guys, you do understand that sex sells and that VALIANT didnt use sex as a selling feature, as far as I can remember, while most other companies have.

I really dont have a HUGE issue with nudity when it is done tastefully, although with that being said, underage exposure to sexual themes can have devastating effects. Most porn addicts were exposed to graphic sexual themes before age 13.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:23 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:
ian_house wrote:
IanAlexavier wrote: Too much adult content is what drove me away from buying new comics. I think it was the DC series 52. I had to explain why there were two women with slinky underwear on laying in the same bed to my wife. It wasnt a pretty explanation, so I decided to stop buying.
But Mother God's transparent attire was cool with you?
I think this was done tastefully.. it wasnt about her big breasts and nipples, in a sexual situaiton.. it was more about her character to me.

I really dont have a HUGE issue with nudity when it is done tastefully, although with that being said, underage exposure to sexual themes can have devastating effects. Most porn addicts were exposed to graphic sexual themes before age 13.

We . . . er, I mean, "they" were?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:24 pm

I revised my above answer to reflect my thoughts

dave · Post by **dave** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:48 pm

What if the new direction only meant that every character would have a cape a big gun and pouches?

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:52 pm

I don't mind what content is in a book as long as there is a solid reason for it to be there as part of a character/story/plot. If it is there merely for shock value or to "sell" a book, then I have an issue with it. That doesn't cover just sex, but anything. Deaths, weddings, births, you name it. If it is there artificially, I won't like it. If it is handled poorly, I'll be doubly *SQUEE*.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:53 pm

dave wrote:What if the new direction only meant that every character would have a cape a big gun and pouches?

"Straight to Hell" is a direction.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:53 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
dave wrote:What if the new direction only meant that every character would have a cape a big gun and pouches?
"Straight to Hell" is a direction.

It's called the Leifeldian path to dreck.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:10 pm

xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
dave wrote:What if the new direction only meant that every character would have a cape a big gun and pouches?
"Straight to Hell" is a direction.
It's called the Leifeldian Path to Dreck.

You should stick that in your thesis somewhere

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:16 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
dave wrote:What if the new direction only meant that every character would have a cape a big gun and pouches?
"Straight to Hell" is a direction.
It's called the Leifeldian Path to Dreck.
You should stick that in your thesis somewhere

If only I could find room.

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