Harbinger #1 CGC 9.8s on eBay (past and current auctions)

[superman-prime]

Time to buy

[iggy101us]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0651050247

Sold at $350. Originally listed with $500 BIN or best offer.

[400yrs]

Is that the lowest sale? That's at least on my radar at that price.

[superman-prime]

almost in my price range

[iggy101us]

Is that the lowest sale? That's at least on my radar at that price.

2nd lowest recently on eBay. The lowest was $310 on 10/6/2009. That one was open to only US bidders though.

[Draco]

almost in my price range

Im still looking to get a raw copy and slab it.
My grading is pretty tight, so worst case scenario is i get a 9.6 and sell it on.

im not sure i would be happy to pay more than $200 for this though.

[Unblessed]

GPA for 2010:
Six sales: $449 Hi - $350 Lo

FWIW...

[maraxusofkeld]

I kind of regret not buying one when they were a ton of them on ebay. I think there is going to be a lull in finding one now as there is not a new movie or comic in site and the prices have dropped dramatically.

[depluto]

I might hit it when it goes to $100. Probably not, though. I hope they aren't touting the profitability of slabbing this *SQUEE* any more.

[tssgery]

I might hit it when it goes to $100. Probably not, though. I hope they aren't touting the profitability of slabbing this *SQUEE* any more.

I'd probably go $350 for this book still. It's one of the few books that I'd pay in that grade.

[iggy101us]

2 more copies have been added to the population since July. 1st post has been updated.

As of 08/16/2010: 56 in CGC 9.8 Universal, 6 in CGC 9.8 Signature

[otma]

does a difference from a 9.4 to a 9.8 really warrant that much of a price difference? Checking around it seems that a good price for a 9.4 or so for Harbinger 1 is like, $20-25 give or take (using info from like, CBG or Overstreet), but I didn't find any for less than $75 citing a CGC rating of 9.4.

Am I missing the boat in a major way here? Is there a major difference in a CGC grade of 9.4 and a Comics Buyer Guide or Overstreet 9.4 (or any grade, a 9.8 etc.)?

[Daniel Jackson]

There is a huge difference in price between a 9.4 and 9.8.

[greg]

I understood otma's question to be related to CGC slabbed books
compared to "non-slabbed" books in the same (claimed) conditions.

The argument would be that a "non-slabbed" book claimed as 9.8
has less certainty than a CGC slabbed 9.8 of the same book.

The certainty of the CGC grade (and the liquidity it conveys)
creates a difference in the price paid for CGC slabbed books vs. not.

The market is what it is, though... and the vast price differences between
CGC 9.8 and CGC 9.6 (and CGC 9.4) for some books probably doesn't
make a lot of sense from the standpoint of minor differences in condition.

However, the "best mentality" (as in, people who must own the "best" of something)
causes people to put more weight on the value they assign to "best" copies.

Generally speaking, if a CGC slabbed copy of a book sells for significantly more money
than a non-slabbed copy of the same book, the seller who claims that a book is in a certain grade
is either leaving that significant amount of money on the table by not slabbing the book,
or they are overstating the condition of the book because they know it wouldn't really grade that high.

Sellers generally don't make a habit of losing money...
so the "claimed condition" is usually not in line with the "actual condition"
if it would be in the seller's best interest to slab the book and sell it for more money.

In other words, beware of sellers claiming grades at the high end
for books that they don't have slabbed. Why would they lose money?
They wouldn't. They want you to overpay for their overgrading.

[Crow331]

2 more copies have been added to the population since July. 1st post has been updated.

As of 08/16/2010: 56 in CGC 9.8 Universal, 6 in CGC 9.8 Signature

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if that one is mine I dropped off what I "think" was a 9.8 candidate at comic-con and should be getting it back in the next 10 days or so ... Then again, I don't know crap about grading and this batch is my first attempt with CGC

[iggy101us]

Good luck!

[Daniel Jackson]

2 more copies have been added to the population since July. 1st post has been updated.

As of 08/16/2010: 56 in CGC 9.8 Universal, 6 in CGC 9.8 Signature

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if that one is mine I dropped off what I "think" was a 9.8 candidate at comic-con and should be getting it back in the next 10 days or so ... Then again, I don't know crap about grading and this batch is my first attempt with CGC

That would be pretty cool to score one on your first submit.

[ckb]

2 more copies have been added to the population since July. 1st post has been updated.

As of 08/16/2010: 56 in CGC 9.8 Universal, 6 in CGC 9.8 Signature

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if that one is mine I dropped off what I "think" was a 9.8 candidate at comic-con and should be getting it back in the next 10 days or so ... Then again, I don't know crap about grading and this batch is my first attempt with CGC

That would be pretty cool to score one on your first submit.

No it wouldn't. It would be the suckiest sucky thing I can think of.

[Daniel Jackson]

2 more copies have been added to the population since July. 1st post has been updated.

As of 08/16/2010: 56 in CGC 9.8 Universal, 6 in CGC 9.8 Signature

Hmmmmmmmm I wonder if that one is mine I dropped off what I "think" was a 9.8 candidate at comic-con and should be getting it back in the next 10 days or so ... Then again, I don't know crap about grading and this batch is my first attempt with CGC

That would be pretty cool to score one on your first submit.

No it wouldn't. It would be the suckiest sucky thing I can think of.

Hahahaha

[hotwings1979]

I'm still thinking this could drop lower. If we don't see something out of VEI soon, and the population increases I could see a realistic value at $250.

[Draco]

I'm still thinking this could drop lower. If we don't see something out of VEI soon, and the population increases I could see a realistic value at $250.

I have been teasing with this for some time, but at the same time i think a few buyers with money will always help to push these books up a bit to protect their investments and so you may not see one on an auction go so low.
Im not sure anyone would do a BIN at less than $399 either, unless i have already missed that, though i think maybe someone has had one at best offer for $350?

This is still a big book even fro those not interested in Valiant as a whole,
It was big once, still comparatively small on the CGC 9.8 scale too, so maybe wishful thinking on my behalf.

However im pretty confident that i will get one eventually raw and get a 9.8.
All good things....

[ian_house]

I'm still thinking this could drop lower. If we don't see something out of VEI soon, and the population increases I could see a realistic value at $250.

I have been teasing with this for some time, but at the same time i think a few buyers with money will always help to push these books up a bit to protect their investments and so you may not see one on an auction go so low.
Im not sure anyone would do a BIN at less than $399 either, unless i have already missed that, though i think maybe someone has had one at best offer for $350?

This is still a big book even fro those not interested in Valiant as a whole,
It was big once, still comparatively small on the CGC 9.8 scale too, so maybe wishful thinking on my behalf.

However im pretty confident that i will get one eventually raw and get a 9.8.
All good things....

Come to those who rout through every comic box in the world...

[ian_house]

One positive I see in this (and Greg may disagree with this assertion) is that the ridiculous highs this book reached in pricing flushed out a pretty good number of the potential 9.8s as sellers moved to rake while those big digits were fresh in people's minds. It's probably likely that there is no burst of 9.8s left that will equal the push we've already seen, so this is (I'm thinking) an issue where you where you stand when purchasing it.

I've seen no reason to be optimistic, but if for some reason Harbinger comes back in any form, the market will be more stable.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the common issue with this book keeping it out of 9.8 range is not something helped by pressing

I bet theres LOADS more potential 9.8's out therre. Not everyone CGCs their books or pays close attention to the value of their books.

[ian_house]

One positive I see in this (and Greg may disagree with this assertion) is that the ridiculous highs this book reached in pricing flushed out a pretty good number of the potential 9.8s as sellers moved to rake while those big digits were fresh in people's minds. It's probably likely that there is no burst of 9.8s left that will equal the push we've already seen, so this is (I'm thinking) an issue where you where you stand when purchasing it.

I've seen no reason to be optimistic, but if for some reason Harbinger comes back in any form, the market will be more stable.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, the common issue with this book keeping it out of 9.8 range is not something helped by pressing

I bet theres LOADS more potential 9.8's out therre. Not everyone CGCs their books or pays close attention to the value of their books.

Yeah, but those copies/people don't matter because going by your own scenario those issues would never be slabbed to change the census anyway.

Nah because eventually they get sold, given away or discovered.

[iggy101us]

Actually, there are currently 56 CGC 9.8 and 6 CGC 9.8 SS for a total of 62. But yeah, still a long way from 150 however 100 is not that far away.