John Taddeo wins Valiant/Acclaim characters...

myron · Post by **myron** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:07 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:
myron wrote:easy Chris...they APPLIED for the names...doesn't mean they have them or will even get them...
As long as they are just "applied for" This is a section of the article on Newsarama:

In checking on the status of the trademarks of the former Valiant characters, Newsarama learned that 12 of them, as well as the term “Valiant” have been acquired by Valiant Intellectual Properties, LLC, a Delaware-based corporation. Trademarks now owned by Valiant Intellectual Properties include: Secret Weapons, Outcast, Rai and the Future Force, Deathmate, Quantum and Woody, Harbinger, Punx, Dr. Mirage, Eternal Warrior, Ninjak, Bloodshot, and The Visitor.

Maybe they do not have all the facts straight, but last I knew acquired meant you had something. It does not say anything about applying for there.

Sorry about my rant - I am HAPPY AS HELL that John won the auction. But then I read this article and my warm fuzzies started going away...

It is a GREAT day for the Valiant fans across the world!!!

was going on what Greg said...

davidb · Post by **davidb** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:11 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:I wonder if I can submit my Timewalker ideas to John?

I'll race you with my Shadowman proposal...

David B.

The Spider · Post by **The Spider** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:14 pm

Todd Luck wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:
riftt wrote:^^^ hmm, the only loses there are bloodshot, eternal warrior, and harbinger
Two of which are core books.

I believe this is similar to DC's Captain Marvel and Marvel's Captain Marvel.

Taddeo can do a comic with Gilad Anni-Padda but he can't call it Eternal Warrior, he has to call it something like "The Immortals" or something like that, just like DC can do a Captain Marvel comic but can't call it Captain Marvel.
I'ld wait and see what Taddeo posts before I got to worked up over this one guys. Manof theAtom hit it on the head, trademark refers to a brand name only (the title on the cover in this case). The actual characters/concepts have seperate rights (intellectual copyrights).

If that's the case, then they could theoretically make a title like... I dunno, Valiant Universe or whatever and still be able to use the names of the characters within the book?

One example I can think of: Hasbro had a problem with reissuing 80's Transformers under their original names (ie Bluestreak, Hot Rod) but Dreamwave's comics were able to use said names within their comic since the comic was called "Transformers." Would this be similar?

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:15 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:Maybe they do not have all the facts straight, but last I knew acquired meant you had something. It does not say anything about applying for there.

I would say that Newsarama has it wrong if they believe the trademarks are a "done deal".

This is the official information from the US Patent & Trademark Office:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regs ... y=78598923

Particular emphasis on:
"Current Status: Newly filed application, not yet assigned to an examining attorney."

The Trademark Search Engine is a bit confusing, since it LOOKS like people
own a trademark when they have only applied for one.

Current Status of any trademark is the official "word"...
not the fact that it shows up in the search engine.

(Sorry to sound harsh, I'm indirectly making a statement to Newsarama here.)

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:17 pm

davidb wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote:I wonder if I can submit my Timewalker ideas to John?
I'll race you with my Shadowman proposal...

David B.

Heh.

It's 2005 so Jack's dead and you'll have to come up with a new Shadowman

davidb · Post by **davidb** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:22 pm

Actually, that brings up a good point. What continuity would the new Assassination-Valiant use? I'd almost be leaning toward complete reboot of everything since Magnus, Solar, and Turok are gone. Which kills my dreams of writing something for the VH2 version of Turok...

David B.

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:28 pm

VH 1 all the way.

There's no rule that says that Solar, Turok, or Magnus have to be published or referenced for the other titles to exist.

When Buffy moved over to UPN, Angel couldn't make any references to her by name but that didn't stop them from making references to what happened in episodes of that show.

A Harbinger comic book they can make references to how Kris gave birth to a child and then had to send it to the future, which is a completely original VALIANT idea that has nothing to do with Gold Key's rights for Magnus.

Taddeo could have Magnus change his name and still keep his past history intact, a la Barbara Gordon changing her name to Oracle, or Dick Grayson changing his name to Nightwing.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:29 pm

Congratulations Mr. Taddeo.

And here's to the upcoming good times, confusing as it may be!

usagent · Post by **usagent** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:30 pm

congratulations! good things to come...

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:36 pm

greg wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Maybe they do not have all the facts straight, but last I knew acquired meant you had something. It does not say anything about applying for there.
I would say that Newsarama has it wrong.

This is the official information from the US Patent & Trademark Office:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regs ... y=78598923

Particular emphasis on:
"Current Status: Newly filed application, not yet assigned to an examining attorney."

The Trademark Search Engine is a bit confusing, since it LOOKS like people
own a trademark when they have only applied for one.

Current Status of any trademark is the official "word"...
not the fact that it shows up in the search engine.

(Sorry to sound harsh, I'm indirectly making a statement to Newsarama here.)

That makes sense to me Greg. I was just going off what was up on Newsarama. Do you know them at all? If so can you shoot them an email with he CORRECT information? They got me ALL worked up in case you couldn' tell...

Life is good - my Valiant characters will be in print again!!!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:44 pm

... the trademark?

Easy, call it by its original name, Rising Spirit

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:45 pm

I say that the Valiant characters be a separate subdivision of Assassination Entertainment with all the characters there under the Valiant umbrella. Once both universes are publishing monthly books there would be crossovers from one universe to the other. Hell, I wouldn't really care if there was only one universe as long as the Valiant ones are printed!!! John makes the call as he has the rights to the characters!

The only thing I liked from VH2 was Quantum and Woody so why not make them a part of the VH1 reboot? References can be made to Magnus, Turok and Solar, but not by name like MOTA said. Not a real big deal. Just work with the present day characters for now... that gets rid of the need for Magnus. Turok is off playing in the lost land with the dinosaurs. Solar is, well, off chasing spider aliens many, many light years away. That way they can be brought back into continuity some day if John somehow acquires the rights to them.

Just my thoughts. A VH1 reboot with Quantum and Woody!!!

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:48 pm

Exactly.

And you can still respect the end of VH 1.

Magnus is lost in time, Turok is in the Lost Land, and Solar merged with a sun.

One day, when Taddeo gets the rights to those characters, they can be brought back into continuity.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:56 pm

depluto wrote:Congratulations Mr. Taddeo.

And here's to the upcoming good times, confusing as it may be!

I'll second that. I expected to hear he either won or lost, not that other rights or character names may possibly be in question. **Sigh**

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:56 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:VH 1 all the way.

There's no rule that says that Solar, Turok, or Magnus have to be published or referenced for the other titles to exist.

When Buffy moved over to UPN, Angel couldn't make any references to her by name but that didn't stop them from making references to what happened in episodes of that show.

A Harbinger comic book they can make references to how Kris gave birth to a child and then had to send it to the future, which is a completely original VALIANT idea that has nothing to do with Gold Key's rights for Magnus.

Taddeo could have Magnus change his name and still keep his past history intact, a la Barbara Gordon changing her name to Oracle, or Dick Grayson changing his name to Nightwing.

Can you have a character named "Magnus Torkelson"?

DJSpecter · Post by **DJSpecter** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:59 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:And you can still respect the end of VH 1.

I don't currently respect the end of VH1.

Byrneout · Post by **Byrneout** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:15 pm

Woo-HOO!

Now, I have to start buying Previews so I can pre-order WHATEVER is coming down the pike... I'll have to make room in my budget, but there were a couple of books on the chopping block anyway.

WAY TO GO JOHN!

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:18 pm

greg wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Maybe they do not have all the facts straight, but last I knew acquired meant you had something. It does not say anything about applying for there.
I would say that Newsarama has it wrong if they believe the trademarks are a "done deal".

This is the official information from the US Patent & Trademark Office:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regs ... y=78598923

Particular emphasis on:
"Current Status: Newly filed application, not yet assigned to an examining attorney."

The Trademark Search Engine is a bit confusing, since it LOOKS like people
own a trademark when they have only applied for one.

Current Status of any trademark is the official "word"...
not the fact that it shows up in the search engine.

(Sorry to sound harsh, I'm indirectly making a statement to Newsarama here.)

the letter I recieved from my attorney shows they have approved my application for Harbinger.

dbest4u · Post by **dbest4u** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:20 pm

Hell yeah,,

Congrats John
and
to all Valiant fans out there

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:21 pm

DJSpecter wrote:Can you have a character named "Magnus Torkelson"?

He could change his name to "Torkelson, Robot Smasher", lol.

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:31 pm

I hope this turns out to be good news!

Vault-Keeper · Post by **Vault-Keeper** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 3:18 pm

YAY!

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:21 pm

Now do not F it up :x

UnknownTales · Post by **UnknownTales** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:36 pm

This is great news!
Looks like Bob L. is onboard!

Gook Luck with VH-T !!!
I can't wait to pre-order.

hulk181man · Post by **hulk181man** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:49 pm

At last! The first step on the road back....congrats to JT!

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