who would win a fight? Dr. Solar or Dr. Manhattan

jridd28 · Post by **jridd28** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 2:58 pm

i really liked the Watchmen and i every time i saw Dr Manhattan i just thought to myself. what if massarsky didnt stab valiant n the back? only for its demise to end up in the gutter? what if shooter would have stayed and continued to construct this perfect machine? would we be watching movies like the Watchmen? or would we watch the valiant universe come to life? so it made me ponder? who would win a fight? Solar or Manhattan? looking forward to your response. but me personally, Solar wins tko 6rd

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:15 pm

Ha ha ha!

This question is rad!

Dr. Manhattan would win because he is named after my favorite mixed drink!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:21 pm

I would have to say Solar.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:31 pm

Both are mega powerful and it would be a close match but Solar would win i think.If Solar was about to lose he could simply go back to before Manhattan's accident and kill him.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:33 pm

Throw Capt. Atom into the mix.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:34 pm

In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure Manhattan would win over Solar, because Manhattan seems to be able to think at relativistic speeds, whereas Seleski thinks at "mere human" speeds.

I imagine they are similarly powered, so it will all come down to speed of implementation.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:41 pm

I vote for Aram.

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 3:42 pm

I think Dr. Manhattan would win because he seemed to lose his humanity and emotional side much moreso that Phil ever did. I think they would both quickly realize that the other was capable of destroying them. I think Phil might emotionally hesitate and Dr. Manhattan logically wouldn't.

Also, I believe both are able to time travel and manipulate the space/time continuum.

EDIT: Basically what Dr. Solar beat me to saying above while I was typing.

jridd28 · Post by **jridd28** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:51 pm

Dr. Solar wrote:In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure Manhattan would win over Solar, because Manhattan seems to be able to think at relativistic speeds, whereas Seleski thinks at "mere human" speeds.

I imagine they are similarly powered, so it will all come down to speed of implementation.

you have a good point

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:06 pm

I'd say Manhattan would have the edge over Solar but it would be close.

Manhattan had a certain precognition that I don't remember Solar ever developing.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:23 pm

I think Dr. Manhattan would win by first stunning Phil by swinging around his rather healthy blue appendage, followed up with a Silver Age left-hook...lol.

In all honesty, this is a tough match due to the similarity of powers. I'd have to agree with the "speed of thought" argument.

dhudson1 · Post by **dhudson1** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:22 pm

I think SOlar would win if the battle was short and he could take Manhattan out with one "shot". I don't think Manhattan would strike first, he is very contemplative.

However, if one shot from Solar didn't work, Manhattan would be riled and that would be it.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:59 pm

I think Solar would win. Simply because Solar is used to dealing with energy beings. He's fought and destroyed alien complexes and XO Manowars, whereas Dr. Manhattan has fought in... what??? Vietnam.

Yeah, Manhattan might be able to think faster, but Manhattan only knows how to destroy or rebuild matter, whereas Solar knows how to deal with energy.

Yeah, it would be a fight, but when push comes to shove, Solar would simply absorb him and be done with it.

I don't think Dr. Manhattan really stands a chance.

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:08 pm

Great question! Welcome to the board man.

I think everyone here has thought this through pretty well. Manhattan for the win... but I'd be rooting for Solar!

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:08 pm

Manhattan already knows the time and place the showdown would take place therefore he can see any outcome and plan accordingly.

Dr. M has already won, Solar just doesn't know it yet.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:29 pm

Drift wrote:Manhattan already knows the time and place the showdown would take place therefore he can see any outcome and plan accordingly.

Dr. M has already won, Solar just doesn't know it yet.

Not necessarily. Remember the so-called climax of Watchmen. There was an energy emitted that prevented Dr. Manhattan from seeing beyond that point in time. Solar's energy would probably have the same effect.

I don't think he'd ever see Solar coming or even know what to do about it.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:34 pm

steverino wrote:
Drift wrote:Manhattan already knows the time and place the showdown would take place therefore he can see any outcome and plan accordingly.

Dr. M has already won, Solar just doesn't know it yet.
Not necessarily. Remember the so-called climax of Watchmen. There was an energy emitted that prevented Dr. Manhattan from seeing beyond that point in time. Solar's energy would probably have the same effect.

I don't think he'd ever see Solar coming.

*sigh*

Manhattan's precognition was blocked by significant tachyon radiation. Solar was bound by the speed of light and could not create tachyons - particles that moved faster than light. The best he might be able to conjure up is to take a chunk of space and create a negative potential-squared which would trigger tachyon condensation. The thing is - that's a whole new branch of science right there since you'd be adding a second dimension to the tensors.

Basically it's not happening.

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:44 pm

Embarrased to say I've never read Watchmen (not embarrased to say I've never seen Watchmen), so I can't really say.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:44 pm

Chiclo wrote:
steverino wrote:
Drift wrote:Manhattan already knows the time and place the showdown would take place therefore he can see any outcome and plan accordingly.

Dr. M has already won, Solar just doesn't know it yet.
Not necessarily. Remember the so-called climax of Watchmen. There was an energy emitted that prevented Dr. Manhattan from seeing beyond that point in time. Solar's energy would probably have the same effect.

I don't think he'd ever see Solar coming.
*sigh*

Manhattan's precognition was blocked by significant tachyon radiation. Solar was bound by the speed of light and could not create tachyons - particles that moved faster than light. The best he might be able to conjure up is to take a chunk of space and create a negative potential-squared which would trigger tachyon condensation. The thing is - that's a whole new branch of science right there since you'd be adding a second dimension to the tensors.

Basically it's not happening.

Sorry, I'm not up to my 'hypothetical' science.

I just know that Solar has delt with energy beings while Dr. Manhattan has made people go *poof*.

Dr. Manhattan has teleported people from one place to another and Solar has teleported people across time and space.

Dr. Manhattan made a cute little spherical something or other on Mars, Solar has remade a Universe.

*Sigh*

Yeah, Dr. Manhattan wins.

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:49 pm

Tim wrote:Embarrased to say I've never read Watchmen (not embarrased to say I've never seen Watchmen), so I can't really say.

Just watch the movie. It was actually better. Much better!!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:50 pm

steverino wrote:
Tim wrote:Embarrased to say I've never read Watchmen (not embarrased to say I've never seen Watchmen), so I can't really say.
Just watch the movie. It was actually better. Much better!!

I tried to read that post allowed and it burned my tongue.

Why would you say such a thing, steverino?

steverino · Post by **steverino** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:53 pm

Chiclo wrote:
steverino wrote:
Tim wrote:Embarrased to say I've never read Watchmen (not embarrased to say I've never seen Watchmen), so I can't really say.
Just watch the movie. It was actually better. Much better!!
I tried to read that post allowed and it burned my tongue.

Why would you say such a thing, steverino?

I'm genuinely sorry.

I'm not an Alan Moore fan. I'm just not. I can't stand him at all. Watchmen was a great disappointment to me.

But I actually did like the movie.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:28 pm

Chiclo wrote:I'd say Manhattan would have the edge over Solar but it would be close.

Manhattan had a certain precognition that I don't remember Solar ever developing.

Well, in VH-2, Phil seemed to experience a huge leap in seeing time simultaneously, in a manner similar to Dr. Manhattan's.

Phil destroyed an entire reality; Jon, as Manhattan, wasn't assumed powerful enough to stop a full-scale Soviet attack.

Good gosh almighty--did I really just type all that?

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 8:33 pm

Chiclo wrote: I tried to read that post allowed and it burned my tongue.

I tried to read "Watchmen" and the coloring burned my eyes.

I'll try to read it again in earnest soon though.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:00 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
Chiclo wrote:I'd say Manhattan would have the edge over Solar but it would be close.

Manhattan had a certain precognition that I don't remember Solar ever developing.
Well, in VH-2, Phil seemed to experience a huge leap in seeing time simultaneously, in a manner similar to Dr. Manhattan's.

Phil destroyed an entire reality; Jon, as Manhattan, wasn't assumed powerful enough to stop a full-scale Soviet attack.

Good gosh almighty--did I really just type all that?

Did we ever establish that Seleski actually destroyed a universe? I've pointed out before that if he created a supermassive black hole (which would require considerably more mass than the one yellow star he absorbed) and everything in the local area quit it's already established forward motion and started collapsing into the Earth at the speed of light it would take 17 years for the first 50 stars (and related star systems) to collapse into the Earth. The Universe is an awfully big place and quite stable even if our little corner of it collapses into itself.

A reasonable corollary - Solar had the ability to teleport over vast interstellar distances. The nearest star is 4 light years away and at the speed of light Solar would have had to fly for 8 years to the star and return to Earth. Manhattan was never shown to have the ability to teleport instantaneously over interstellar distances. It is a reasonable guess that Solar could outrun Manhattan but I still contend that in a knockdown fight Manhattan would take out Solar.

We need to unban MotA just for this thread.