MALEV WAR

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:49 pm

Iowa just ugg

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:03 pm

IOWA = Idiots Out Wandering Around!

DAN

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:27 pm

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:21 pm

sonicdan wrote:IOWA = Idiots Out Wandering Around!
DAN

WOW! While I find these messages funny, one one hand, y'all just ripped on my entire family line! Hahahahahahaha.

We're from Iowa and Nebraska....lol.....

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:33 pm

Your people were smart enough to leave.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:22 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:This reminds me of the reason why Detroit sucks-because Chicago blows.
Oh, yeah?!?!

YO' MAMA!!

Miami is just washed up in the surf and baked in the sun

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:34 am

miami, home of little Havana

X-O Dudeowar · Post by **X-O Dudeowar** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:47 am

I personally loved the Malev War as well. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure, because those issues were so cheap and common that for a kid on a budget they were my first real experience with VALIANT.

But I do genuinely like it as a story, and the OP's own excitement is making me think of re-reading it when I get back home to my collection in a month of so...!

xodacia81 wrote: Yep, HC might have gotten the worst of it, because it went from decent to DEAD overnight. Next up is Magnus, followed by XO. I think the series that still had "something" past CE were Shadowman, Bloodshot (to a degree), Eternal Warrior and Turok(to a degree). The rest were pretty much just "meh" or BAD.

I always thought Doctor Mirage was pretty decent...

ian_house · Post by **ian_house** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:56 am

X-O Dudeowar wrote:I personally loved the Malev War as well. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure, because those issues were so cheap and common that for a kid on a budget they were my first real experience with VALIANT.

But I do genuinely like it as a story, and the OP's own excitement is making me think of re-reading it when I get back home to my collection in a month of so...!

xodacia81 wrote: Yep, HC might have gotten the worst of it, because it went from decent to DEAD overnight. Next up is Magnus, followed by XO. I think the series that still had "something" past CE were Shadowman, Bloodshot (to a degree), Eternal Warrior and Turok(to a degree). The rest were pretty much just "meh" or BAD.
I always thought Doctor Mirage was pretty decent...

Me too.

Phantom was saying the other day that Dr. Mirage was aimed at a female audience. I didn't know that! Still enjoyed it tho.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:42 am

X-O Dudeowar wrote:I personally loved the Malev War as well. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure, because those issues were so cheap and common that for a kid on a budget they were my first real experience with VALIANT.

But I do genuinely like it as a story, and the OP's own excitement is making me think of re-reading it when I get back home to my collection in a month of so...!

xodacia81 wrote: Yep, HC might have gotten the worst of it, because it went from decent to DEAD overnight. Next up is Magnus, followed by XO. I think the series that still had "something" past CE were Shadowman, Bloodshot (to a degree), Eternal Warrior and Turok(to a degree). The rest were pretty much just "meh" or BAD.
I always thought Doctor Mirage was pretty decent...

I liked Dr. Mirage as well, but as I recall, it finished up like 3 months after CE and what was left wasn't as fun, although the "pregnancy" could have been.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:57 am

xodacia81 wrote:
X-O Dudeowar wrote:I personally loved the Malev War as well. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure, because those issues were so cheap and common that for a kid on a budget they were my first real experience with VALIANT.

But I do genuinely like it as a story, and the OP's own excitement is making me think of re-reading it when I get back home to my collection in a month of so...!

xodacia81 wrote: Yep, HC might have gotten the worst of it, because it went from decent to DEAD overnight. Next up is Magnus, followed by XO. I think the series that still had "something" past CE were Shadowman, Bloodshot (to a degree), Eternal Warrior and Turok(to a degree). The rest were pretty much just "meh" or BAD.
I always thought Doctor Mirage was pretty decent...
I liked Dr. Mirage as well, but as I recall, it finished up like 3 months after CE and what was left wasn't as fun, although the "pregnancy" could have been.

I was never that impressed with Dr. Mirage. I actually think the direction Acclaim wanted to take the character was more interesting.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:27 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:
X-O Dudeowar wrote:I personally loved the Malev War as well. Part of it is sentimental, I'm sure, because those issues were so cheap and common that for a kid on a budget they were my first real experience with VALIANT.

But I do genuinely like it as a story, and the OP's own excitement is making me think of re-reading it when I get back home to my collection in a month of so...!

xodacia81 wrote: Yep, HC might have gotten the worst of it, because it went from decent to DEAD overnight. Next up is Magnus, followed by XO. I think the series that still had "something" past CE were Shadowman, Bloodshot (to a degree), Eternal Warrior and Turok(to a degree). The rest were pretty much just "meh" or BAD.
I always thought Doctor Mirage was pretty decent...
I liked Dr. Mirage as well, but as I recall, it finished up like 3 months after CE and what was left wasn't as fun, although the "pregnancy" could have been.
I was never that impressed with Dr. Mirage. I actually think the direction Acclaim wanted to take the character was more interesting.

Dr. Mirage so far has seemed pretty cool, but i've only read up to the Dr. Eclipse battle. Man, I LOVE Dr. Eclipse!!! He's like the dark chocolate, minty-fresh "so tasty-yet-you-know-it's-bad-for-you" version of Solar. Hahahahaha.

H.A.R.D.Corps has also been very enjoyable...did it really go from good to BAD overnight?

Also, how was the "Destroyer #0" issue?

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:42 am

JonesyAZ wrote:
H.A.R.D.Corps has also been very enjoyable...did it really go from good to BAD overnight?

Also, how was the "Destroyer #0" issue?

IMO, HC was a very cool premise, but the title never lived up to what it could have been. And yes, it does get worse as you go along.

As far as Destroyer #0 goes, it was disappointing as well, but I never really liked the character in the first place. You can see signs of Valiant trying to morph into an Image clone with books like this.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:45 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote:
H.A.R.D.Corps has also been very enjoyable...did it really go from good to BAD overnight?

Also, how was the "Destroyer #0" issue?
IMO, HC was a very cool premise, but the title never lived up to what it could have been. And yes, it does get worse as you go along.

As far as Destroyer #0 goes, it was disappointing as well, but I never really liked the character in the first place. You can see signs of Valiant trying to morph into an Image clone with books like this.

I had just got some new books this week, and I read X-O Manowar #42, and the artwork was totally Image-esque. (The Birthquake Preview by Bart Sears, however, looked AWESOME!). I could see that issues like this were an indication of how Valiant did become the complete opposite of what it initially was meant to be.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:07 am

JonesyAZ wrote: I had just got some new books this week, and I read X-O Manowar #42, and the artwork was totally Image-esque. (The Birthquake Preview by Bart Sears, however, looked AWESOME!). I could see that issues like this were an indication of how Valiant did become the complete opposite of what it initially was meant to be.

A lot of people don't care for the later artwork of Bart Sears, but I still like his later style. Personally, I think it's the over the top coloring that takes away from his art and makes people cringe.

All they really cared about at that point was flashy artwork and later on X-O gets so bad that you can go for several pages without much dialogue (check out the battle scenes in #50 for instance). Ugh....

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:30 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote: I had just got some new books this week, and I read X-O Manowar #42, and the artwork was totally Image-esque. (The Birthquake Preview by Bart Sears, however, looked AWESOME!). I could see that issues like this were an indication of how Valiant did become the complete opposite of what it initially was meant to be.
A lot of people don't care for the later artwork of Bart Sears, but I still like his later style. Personally, I think it's the over the top coloring that takes away from his art and makes people cringe.

All they really cared about at that point was flashy artwork and later on X-O gets so bad that you can go for several pages without much dialogue (check out the battle scenes in #50 for instance). Ugh....

I don't have a copy of X-O 50 X and O yet...as a matter of fact, I don't think I have any Bart Sears "Birthquake" and on issues. Some might be on their way though...

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:36 am

JonesyAZ wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote: I had just got some new books this week, and I read X-O Manowar #42, and the artwork was totally Image-esque. (The Birthquake Preview by Bart Sears, however, looked AWESOME!). I could see that issues like this were an indication of how Valiant did become the complete opposite of what it initially was meant to be.
A lot of people don't care for the later artwork of Bart Sears, but I still like his later style. Personally, I think it's the over the top coloring that takes away from his art and makes people cringe.

All they really cared about at that point was flashy artwork and later on X-O gets so bad that you can go for several pages without much dialogue (check out the battle scenes in #50 for instance). Ugh....
I don't have a copy of X-O 50 X and O yet...as a matter of fact, I don't think I have any Bart Sears "Birthquake" and on issues. Some might be on their way though...

Just set your expectation level on "low" before you read them....

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:43 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote: I had just got some new books this week, and I read X-O Manowar #42, and the artwork was totally Image-esque. (The Birthquake Preview by Bart Sears, however, looked AWESOME!). I could see that issues like this were an indication of how Valiant did become the complete opposite of what it initially was meant to be.
A lot of people don't care for the later artwork of Bart Sears, but I still like his later style. Personally, I think it's the over the top coloring that takes away from his art and makes people cringe.

All they really cared about at that point was flashy artwork and later on X-O gets so bad that you can go for several pages without much dialogue (check out the battle scenes in #50 for instance). Ugh....
I don't have a copy of X-O 50 X and O yet...as a matter of fact, I don't think I have any Bart Sears "Birthquake" and on issues. Some might be on their way though...
Just set your expectation level on "low" before you read them....

I will

I can't wait to experience the Giffen Magnus issues...mainly because Magnus so far (i've read up to issue 42) has mostly been AWESOME! So, it's intriguing for me to see just how bad it got...

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:01 pm

JonesyAZ wrote:I will I can't wait to experience the Giffen Magnus issues...mainly because Magnus so far (i've read up to issue 42) has mostly been AWESOME! So, it's intriguing for me to see just how bad it got...

I'll be curious to hear your review. I really liked Giffen's work on MRF. In fact, they were some of my favorite Maggy issues, even.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:48 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
JonesyAZ wrote:I will I can't wait to experience the Giffen Magnus issues...mainly because Magnus so far (i've read up to issue 42) has mostly been AWESOME! So, it's intriguing for me to see just how bad it got...
I'll be curious to hear your review. I really liked Giffen's work on MRF. In fact, they were some of my favorite Maggy issues, even.

I also look forward to your review. I see what my friend is saying and agree in some part. Back in the days, after reading just a few of the issues, I totally agreed.

It was a solid handicraft, and a skilled use of the technique of presenting an unknown situation and letting the reader slowly understand. It was also a very thorough destruction of the last remnants of the old Magnus.

/Magnus

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:26 pm

magnusr wrote:It was a solid handicraft, and a skilled use of the technique of presenting an unknown situation and letting the reader slowly understand. It was also a very thorough destruction of the last remnants of the old Magnus.

/Magnus

It was, and I can only speculate that Giffen was given orders to make the book completely different. Given his apparent fondness for the character with the appearance of "Douglas, Robot Hunter" in his Metal Men backup [I'm basing this on having read about, but not having read, the issues], I can't see him doing it out of spite or vindictiveness. I just think they were well-told tales, even if many didn't like the events of those tales.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:41 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
magnusr wrote:It was a solid handicraft, and a skilled use of the technique of presenting an unknown situation and letting the reader slowly understand. It was also a very thorough destruction of the last remnants of the old Magnus.

/Magnus
It was, and I can only speculate that Giffen was given orders to make the book completely different. Given his apparent fondness for the character with the appearance of "Douglas, Robot Hunter" in his Metal Men backup [I'm basing this on having read about, but not having read, the issues], I can't see him doing it out of spite or vindictiveness. I just think they were well-told tales, even if many didn't like the events of those tales.

AARGH! Now i'm really interested!!!!!!

The thing is, if they're anything like the fore-mentioned "All-Star Batman..." disaster, i'll probably like them! Because those issue of Batman were so different and left-of-field from the standard fare...it was fun for a huge Bat-fan like myself. The ONLY thing I hated about that book was the ungodly long delays between issues!

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:33 pm

JonesyAZ Your threads totally remind me how much reading I still need to get too, I'v been holding out on alot so that I can read them in Hardbound format. I still need to read the Malev War, all issues of X-O past #25 [accept the last 2 issues, I read those], post unity Shadowman, i'v got some good stuff to catch up on! I almost want to get out the malev war and just read it now, sounds like fun.

chisumwomack · Post by **chisumwomack** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:57 pm

JonesyAZ wrote: H.A.R.D.Corps has also been very enjoyable...did it really go from good to BAD overnight?

The last few issues of HC are some of the worst I've ever read. And I was actually a fan of the series.

JonesyAZ · Post by **JonesyAZ** » Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:39 pm

MoonChild wrote:JonesyAZ Your threads totally remind me how much reading I still need to get too, I'v been holding out on alot so that I can read them in Hardbound format. I still need to read the Malev War, all issues of X-O past #25 [accept the last 2 issues, I read those], post unity Shadowman, i'v got some good stuff to catch up on! I almost want to get out the malev war and just read it now, sounds like fun.

That's cool! I'm happy to have inspired ya!

Seriously, I went into it with no expectations, and it was just a fun, simple, sometimes cheesy sci-fi epic that I will definitely read again some day