Print Run Predictions

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:31 pm

What are your "Print Run Predictions" for the new line of Gold Key books?

Including the new "Dark Horse Presents" which debut/re-introduce the Gold Key characters again ?

I predict the new line to launch in the 30,000 range with several sell outs and 2nd & 3rd printings to follow.

And then a slow gradual increase as the regular books gain more buzz.

There could be runs in the 100,000 range if they use FCBD for a special issue or a special $.25 cent "Zero" issue to preview the line. (works for Dynamite Comics!)

What's your prediction???

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:49 pm

vikingspawn wrote:What are your "Print Run Predictions" for the new line of Gold Key books?

Including the new "Dark Horse Presents" which debut/re-introduce the Gold Key characters again ?

I predict the new line to launch in the 30,000 range with several sell outs and 2nd & 3rd printings to follow.

And then a slow gradual increase as the regular books gain more buzz.

There could be runs in the 100,000 range if they use FCBD for a special issue or a special $.25 cent "Zero" issue to preview the line. (works for Dynamite Comics!)

What's your prediction???

I like the figures you put forth.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:27 pm

vikingspawn wrote:What are your "Print Run Predictions" for the new line of Gold Key books?

Including the new "Dark Horse Presents" which debut/re-introduce the Gold Key characters again ?

I predict the new line to launch in the 30,000 range with several sell outs and 2nd & 3rd printings to follow.

And then a slow gradual increase as the regular books gain more buzz.

There could be runs in the 100,000 range if they use FCBD for a special issue or a special $.25 cent "Zero" issue to preview the line. (works for Dynamite Comics!)

What's your prediction???

Holy Moley!! 30K-100K?

I think you're overly amitious here. I don't think Dynamite has ever put forth a book anywhere near 100K and I'd guess that Buffy would be DH's best seller.

Take a look at the Dark Horse numbers here and then tell me how they'll ever be 100K:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/15338.html

I think it will start at around 20-25K and then decrease little by little over time until cancelled like pretty much all comics.

leonmallett · Post by **leonmallett** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:31 pm

I think Superpowers #0 did around 100k, but that was at $1.00.

10-15k and above will probably be satisfactory for DH I imagine.

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:32 pm

400yrs wrote:
vikingspawn wrote:What are your "Print Run Predictions" for the new line of Gold Key books?

Including the new "Dark Horse Presents" which debut/re-introduce the Gold Key characters again ?

I predict the new line to launch in the 30,000 range with several sell outs and 2nd & 3rd printings to follow.

And then a slow gradual increase as the regular books gain more buzz.

There could be runs in the 100,000 range if they use FCBD for a special issue or a special $.25 cent "Zero" issue to preview the line. (works for Dynamite Comics!)

What's your prediction???

Holy Moley!! 30K-100K?

I think you're overly amitious here.

Take a look at the Dark Horse numbers here and then tell me how they'll ever be 100K:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/15338.html

I think it will start at around 20-25K and then decrease little by little over time until cancelled like pretty much all comics.

No, I meant they could print over 100k for FCBD or $.25 special preview issues (like Red Sonja #0 for example). Or even 150k for those promo issues. I know comic sales are down overall with the DC/Marvel titles barely breaking the 90k mark.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:32 pm

They are already not like all the other comics! Boo!

You're not my friend anymore (even if you may be right!)

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:39 pm

dave wrote:

They are already not like all the other comics! Boo!

You're not my friend anymore (even if you may be right!)

Sorry, man.

vikingspawn · Post by **vikingspawn** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:42 pm

Right now, the best sellers for Dark Horse are "Buffy" at 60,000 and then after that are the "Star Wars" titles from 20,000-29,000.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:27 pm

I was going to suggest somehitng around 10-15 initially if they take off and are well recieved, than maybe moving to 30 if they are lucky.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:15 pm

10 to 20 thousand sounds about right to me. Anymore than that in this kind of market is really taking a chance of losing $$$.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:20 pm

Does anyone have a rough idea of how much it takes to produce 20,000 comic books? Including $$$ for the talent (writers, artists, letters, ect) and the production $$$. NOT counting the distribution and advertisement cost.

StarBrand · Post by **StarBrand** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:21 pm

If the books are as good or better than early Valiants the print runs will increase over the course of time. How's that for a prediction?

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:47 pm

Elveen wrote:Does anyone have a rough idea of how much it takes to produce 20,000 comic books? Including $$$ for the talent (writers, artists, letters, ect) and the production $$$. NOT counting the distribution and advertisement cost.

Very very very uncanny that you should ask that question dude.
I have just been chatting to Val Staples in the last half hour and i bought up this piece he wrote, which he is looking to update possibly.

It really does not leave anything out.

Enjoy.

http://www.mvcreations.com/articles/publish.html

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:48 pm

Oh and its not a short read

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:51 pm

Draco wrote:Oh and its not a short read

uggggghhhhhhh........ "me no so muvh lik di reding soos much"

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:45 pm

Elveen wrote:
Draco wrote:Oh and its not a short read

uggggghhhhhhh........ "me no so muvh lik di reding soos much"

S cool dude, just get one of the girls to help out

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:05 pm

Draco wrote:
Elveen wrote:Does anyone have a rough idea of how much it takes to produce 20,000 comic books? Including $$$ for the talent (writers, artists, letters, ect) and the production $$$. NOT counting the distribution and advertisement cost.
Very very very uncanny that you should ask that question dude.
I have just been chatting to Val Staples in the last half hour and i bought up this piece he wrote, which he is looking to update possibly.

It really does not leave anything out.

Enjoy.

http://www.mvcreations.com/articles/publish.html

Thanks for the link.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:24 pm

10 k is about it for the start 100k thats dc or marvel only and only 1 or 2 a month

wrunow · Post by **wrunow** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:39 pm

superman-prime wrote:10 k is about it for the start 100k thats dc or marvel only and only 1 or 2 a month

This is probably the most realistic quote I have seen, only the big 2 have titles approaching 6 figures and I don't think that's gonna change. I would think DH would consider it a success if they could put out 2-3 titles and they sold 25k each.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:42 pm

i think it will change i doubt in a few years none will exeed over 100 k if they dont do somthing to help readership in he near future

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:45 pm

Do you think Shooter would have enough pull to put a cap on the amount of copies or reprintings that might occur? Its works to create a collectors market.. not that I want a crash or anything.. but it might work to promote the book

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:50 pm

either way the original GK stuff will go up and the old Valiant stuff will depend a lot on continuity

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:29 pm

400yrs wrote:
vikingspawn wrote:What are your "Print Run Predictions" for the new line of Gold Key books?

Including the new "Dark Horse Presents" which debut/re-introduce the Gold Key characters again ?

I predict the new line to launch in the 30,000 range with several sell outs and 2nd & 3rd printings to follow.

And then a slow gradual increase as the regular books gain more buzz.

There could be runs in the 100,000 range if they use FCBD for a special issue or a special $.25 cent "Zero" issue to preview the line. (works for Dynamite Comics!)

What's your prediction???

Holy Moley!! 30K-100K?

I think you're overly amitious here. I don't think Dynamite has ever put forth a book anywhere near 100K and I'd guess that Buffy would be DH's best seller.

Take a look at the Dark Horse numbers here and then tell me how they'll ever be 100K:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/15338.html

I think it will start at around 20-25K and then decrease little by little over time until cancelled like pretty much all comics.

I agree that 100K is awfully ambitious.

Buffy is consistently Dark Horse's best selling title and is consistently the best-selling title outside the Big 2.

The early Project Superpowers books were above the 100K mark, but after about issue 3 the numbers severely dipped (consistent with delays in publishing, but surely there's no correlation...

). I cornered Dynamite's CEO at a con once and asked him a few questions and a couple were about print runs. I think he said PS 0 was at the 200K mark.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 10:47 pm

Is there a link to find out what they biggest selling books are each month?

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:00 pm

its in the last page of previews every month

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