WTF .. I no longer have 100% .. when did the

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:17 pm

You guys need to keep an eye on ebay, and don't be afraid to as around the boards. You'd be suprised what you can get , and cheep too.

Valiant OCD · Post by **Valiant OCD** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:23 pm

depluto wrote:I'm nowhere near 100 percent, but I support the idea of pruning a few of these obscure books.

Error books should definitely not be on there. I don't even think some of the price variants should. Maybe there can be some kind of separate list of odd stuff for the "extreme collector."

So you guys want a list of 100% of the VH1 Books (except the hard ones...) Whats the point?

putz · Post by **putz** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:49 pm

Maybe it should be a list of books that were available for sale to the general public. There were some that had errors and were sold to the public. Include them. But dont include something that was made for the office guys only, or something that was made for a presentation/proposal that wasnt approved.
Stuff like that.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:08 pm

Technique wrote:
My original point here was that the Iron Man/X-O Manowar 1 Video Game Variant and the Shadowman Vol 2 1 SPECIAL EDITION should not be included for 100% because we know nothing about them. We do not know how or why they were produced, we do not know how many were produced, and I suspect that they were put together like a quilt and never actually distributed.

Exactly. I absolutely agree with ya Rob. There's only one known copy of
each currently known to exist. As I mentioned before this makes it virtually impossible for anyone to get 100% in either category. Until
we know more about them the IM/XO video game variant and Shadowman V2 1 special ed. should not be included on the list.
They should/could be mentioned as a sidenote, but not any part of the inventory.
DAN

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:29 pm

Valiant OCD wrote:
depluto wrote:I'm nowhere near 100 percent, but I support the idea of pruning a few of these obscure books.

Error books should definitely not be on there. I don't even think some of the price variants should. Maybe there can be some kind of separate list of odd stuff for the "extreme collector."
So you guys want a list of 100% of the VH1 Books (except the hard ones...) Whats the point?

I would include Harbinger 0, 1, Magnus 0, last issues and stuff like that of course. Some of those are hard, eh? When I said original content, I'm not talking about reprinted material like Unity trades.

My point is that 100 percent of original content is what I was trying to collect. So I could read the whole thing.

Whether Greg makes a list of that is irrelevant ... it's was just my goal as a collector.

I also see Rob and Dan's point better now, and I think they're right.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:01 am

sonicdan wrote:
Technique wrote:
My original point here was that the Iron Man/X-O Manowar 1 Video Game Variant and the Shadowman Vol 2 1 SPECIAL EDITION should not be included for 100% because we know nothing about them. We do not know how or why they were produced, we do not know how many were produced, and I suspect that they were put together like a quilt and never actually distributed.
Exactly. I absolutely agree with ya Rob. There's only one known copy of
each currently known to exist. As I mentioned before this makes it virtually impossible for anyone to get 100% in either category. Until
we know more about them the IM/XO video game variant and Shadowman V2 1 special ed. should not be included on the list.
They should/could be mentioned as a sidenote, but not any part of the inventory.
DAN

Makes perfect sense to me.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:53 am

Technique wrote: My original point here was that the Iron Man/X-O Manowar 1 Video Game Variant and the Shadowman Vol 2 1 SPECIAL EDITION should not be included for 100% because we know nothing about them. We do not know how or why they were produced, we do not know how many were produced, and I suspect that they were put together like a quilt and never actually distributed.

So, you'r saying these are more like 'Prototypes' then variants?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:13 am

jedimarley wrote:
Technique wrote: My original point here was that the Iron Man/X-O Manowar 1 Video Game Variant and the Shadowman Vol 2 1 SPECIAL EDITION should not be included for 100% because we know nothing about them. We do not know how or why they were produced, we do not know how many were produced, and I suspect that they were put together like a quilt and never actually distributed.

So, you'r saying these are more like 'Prototypes' then variants?

I think they're saying we don't know for sure what the heck these video game comics are because as far as we know here, only one has surfaced of each. You would think with all the digging around we all do for Valiants, more than one of these would have shown up by now if it was a book that was distributed to the public.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:26 am

At this point I guess the only people who would know are the ones who worked for Acclaim at the time.

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:27 am

Now that Greg is back I would like to get his official stance (and why) on these books (and the XO/IM thing) with regards to the comments made in this thread.

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:40 pm

Technique wrote:Now that Greg is back I would like to get his official stance (and why) on these books (and the XO/IM thing) with regards to the comments made in this thread.

I guess my "official stance" (which is always subject to change)
would be that the books are in the online cover library,
in the online price guides, and so I assumed they
needed to be added to the online inventory.
Generally, it was a response to the questions I was getting of...
"When will these other books be added to the inventory?"

X-O / Iron Man will always be an "in between" title.
It has the big "V". It has VH1 X-O armor. We could say the title is VH1.
It is after X-O #68, the variant has a VH2 interior. We could say the title is VH2.
We've gone back and forth with the books, and they're currently
back in VH1... where they should probably remain, simply because
of the big "V" on the top left corner.

As far as the Shadowman "Special Edition" and the X-O "Video Game Variant",
I agree that we don't know much about them...
and they're not "regular issues" by any means.

But what do we do about it?
They should stay in the online cover library, and the price guide,
but they shouldn't be on the inventory list?
Should they be on the list with a note that basically says "You don't really need this one"?

Seriously, I'm asking for help.

Here's my vision for the online cover library...
Anyone holding a book in their hands should be able to find the
cover on the website and click to find out more about the issue.
(This obviously includes the "rarest" of the rare, and errors, etc.)

Here's my vision for the online price guide...
Anyone who has identified the book in their hands should be able
to get a general idea of the secondary market value of that book.
(So, this obviously includes any book in the cover library.)

Now, help me with my vision for the online collector inventories...
What should be the goal? What limitations should there be?
If you could imagine a perfect online collector inventory system,
what would it be like?

Thanks!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 12:56 pm

As far as the Shadowman "Special Edition" and the X-O "Video Game Variant",
I agree that we don't know much about them...
and they're not "regular issues" by any means.

But what do we do about it?
They should stay in the online cover library, and the price guide,
but they shouldn't be on the inventory list?
Should they be on the list with a note that basically says "You don't really need this one"?

Since we don't know much about them I would like to still see these books in the cover library for reference purposes. Until we know more about them though, I'm not a big fan of keeping them on the inventory list.

With all the people on this board we have looking for these, surely they would have turned up in some small number by now. Is there any way of asking someone "in the know" from Acclaim about what these are and how many of these were made?

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:02 pm

greg wrote:...

As far as the Shadowman "Special Edition" and the X-O "Video Game Variant",
I agree that we don't know much about them...
and they're not "regular issues" by any means.

But what do we do about it?
They should stay in the online cover library, and the price guide,
but they shouldn't be on the inventory list?
Should they be on the list with a note that basically says "You don't really need this one"?

...

Keep them in the library and the guide, but remove them from the inventory. Under their description make the notes very clear that next to nothing is known about the books, including how or why they were made.

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:08 pm

greg wrote:...Now, help me with my vision for the online collector inventories...
What should be the goal? What limitations should there be?
If you could imagine a perfect online collector inventory system,
what would it be like?

Thanks!

I have ideas for inventory levels but they are not completely thought out. Basically, points are points and the person is still ranked by point total. BUT, the person chooses whether they are a level I, II, or III (or more) collector and their % complete and what is displayed is based on that.

A level one might have their goal as being able to read the etire line, whether it is a TPB or other reprint. Or a person might have their goal as owning all of the regular issues.

The inventory only judges their completeness based on their declared goal. They would still get points for any other items that they have but everyone would still be listed on the same list.

The only difference would be that their collector level would be displayed in a column next to their name and only the columns relevant to their goal would be displayed.

I don't feel like I am being clear. Am I?

IMJ · Post by **IMJ** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:09 pm

You guys think you've got it bad?
I've got to find TWO of those Ironman X-O "variants", one for my Valiant collection and one for my extreme Ironman collection....

-ugh-
This is when collecting becomes.........
lets just say ambitious.

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:13 pm

IMJ wrote:You guys think you've got it bad?
I've got to find TWO of those Ironman X-O "variants", one for my Valiant collection and one for my extreme Ironman collection....

-ugh-
This is when collecting becomes.........
lets just say ambitious.

(and so sadly true in its description of a collector)

/Magnus

greg · Post by **greg** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:17 pm

Technique wrote:I don't feel like I am being clear. Am I?

I understood.

It seems like the levels you describe might be hard for a collector to choose.
Several guys have mentioned that they want to be able to read the stories,
but they aren't against picking up a gold issue for $2 either.
Would they still be a level 1? Do they get any points for that gold issue?
Does the gold issue (assuming it has lots of point) rank them higher
than other level 1 collectors? (If so, what's the point of the levels?)

I like it, though... it sounds like a cool concept.

:edit: I just re-read your suggestion and I see you answered about the gold
issue being an "other" for that collector.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:25 pm

Too me, if the item in question was only a "promo" item it should not be in the inventory. When there is only one know copy of a book it doesn't make sense to have it in an inventory. If we knew of sat 10, 20, 50 , 100 of them or what ever number seems reasonable then I am all for it being included. I don't think the Bloodshot Platinum should be there as well (which it isn't). It was not ment to be distributed. It was not ment to be a promo. It was a test run of a book for the printer. For all we know the 2 books in question could have been "test" runs for printer set up that made it into the publics hands somehow. Considering most, in not all, of us are always looking for Valiants almost all of the time, why haven't any of come across more than one? The answer might be because there only were 25 made like the Bloodshot Plat.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:45 pm

X-omatic makes an excellent point and that's the main problem I have with them being in the inventory too. Keeping them in the library, like the BS Platinum seems to make the most sense. At least until more is known about them.

elyhekrue · Post by **elyhekrue** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:18 pm

I agree with some of the others here that said these books should be taken out of the inventory, yet remain part of the image library and price guide.

What it boils down to is dissemination and availability. Every book (except these two) that are currently in the inventory were given out via a definable means. We know how you obtained one, we know where and when, whe know why. We don't currently know these facts about these books. until we do we have to assume that these are anomalies or tests of some sort (much the same as the Bloodshot Platinum).

I have a friend that has worked at EB since before these books came out and he has hoarded every promo to come through there. He searced his archive and couldn't find this Ironman/X-O book, nor does he remember it.

There are quite a few people on these boards that are die-hard collectors, and it must be driving them nuts that they can't find these books for their 100% (I've been banging my head a little). If only one is known of each we shouldn't consider them as anything more than an extremely cool oddity. We don't consider the Dr. Mirage VVSS certificate as part of the collection do we? Right now I would place these books in the same category.

If and when we find out more, then we should make a decision to include or not include these books.

My $.02

Kyle

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:24 pm

I think the game variants should be in the online library, but not the inventory as well. Since we do not know how many were made or better yet still exist it is VERY hard to get them. Kinda like searching for a white whale in the ocean, ya know? There are more copies of the Bloodshot Platinum that are known out there than these 2 books and it is not on the inventory sheet (which I believe is right).

I'm not real worried about it as I still need a bunch of the rarer items like the Unity Diamond TPB, shadowman v3 variant books, etc. If I happen across them GREAT! If not, the search goes on... A few more reasons to go to the next comic shop on the neverending list.

Chris

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:07 pm

k_c_collectibles wrote:Kinda like searching for a white whale in the ocean, ya know?

That's odd, there's plenty on land.

Technique · Post by **Technique** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:15 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
k_c_collectibles wrote:Kinda like searching for a white whale in the ocean, ya know?
That's odd, there's plenty on land.

Complete with blow-holes, too

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 3:51 pm

elyhekrue wrote:I have a friend that has worked at EB since before these books came out and he has hoarded every promo to come through there. He searced his archive and couldn't find this Ironman/X-O book, nor does he remember it.

Kyle

That's interesting to know. Does your friend have a copy of the Turok:Evolution EB Games Variant?

k_c_collectibles · Post by **k_c_collectibles** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:14 pm

Brother J wrote:
elyhekrue wrote:I have a friend that has worked at EB since before these books came out and he has hoarded every promo to come through there. He searced his archive and couldn't find this Ironman/X-O book, nor does he remember it.

Kyle
That's interesting to know. Does your friend have a copy of the Turok:Evolution EB Games Variant?

I know a few people that would be interested in the EB book, right guys!?!?