Please let me know what you think...

[Chiclo]

This just in.

Dark Horse sucks.

They totally misunderstood my e-mail and thought I was wanting to scan and post their comics on the internet, not the print run numbers.

[Draco]

No surprise there then.

Whatever and whoever i email for anything nowadays, gets something majorly wrong and they are always the ones you cant speak with person to person.

Shocking stuff.

[xodacia81]

After scouring the net, I've found very little in the way of print runs, period. So, I think that taking the Capital #'s and figuring out an estimated print run, as suggested by Greg, is likely our best bet right now.

[Knightt]

After scouring the net, I've found very little in the way of print runs, period. So, I think that taking the Capital #'s and figuring out an estimated print run, as suggested by Greg, is likely our best bet right now.

I can always list them as 'approximate print runs'.

[Smashey]

After scouring the net, I've found very little in the way of print runs, period. So, I think that taking the Capital #'s and figuring out an estimated print run, as suggested by Greg, is likely our best bet right now.

Unfortunately, anything pre diamond is going to be like that. It is the best bet, but I still think doing it that way can provide some very false numbers. I wish there was some definitive source of print run info for stuff.

[TKWill]

After scouring the net, I've found very little in the way of print runs, period. So, I think that taking the Capital #'s and figuring out an estimated print run, as suggested by Greg, is likely our best bet right now.

Unfortunately, anything pre diamond is going to be like that. It is the best bet, but I still think doing it that way can provide some very false numbers. I wish there was some definitive source of print run info for stuff.

I think that we should start off using these numbers as estimates. As the site grows and time goes by I am sure that we will find a way to verify numbers. Contacting the publishers is going to be the best way to go about it. But as Chiclo discovered there are going to be times that they will not understand what we are looking for. Patience will be the key.

[Smashey]

Will be hard to contact out of business publishers

[Knightt]

Will be hard to contact out of business publishers

I contact people who 'used' to work in the biz... i.e. Tom Mason, a WEALTH of information and he sends me free stuff sometimes when I buy from him.

[Smashey]

Only thing with using the capital numbers as Greg stated is krause pretty much just says for instance, just an example:

Capital city accounted for 17.5% of all tekno books for 1995. So pretty much all we can do is take Mulkon Empire #1's capital city order number of 12k roughly, and multiply it by approximately 5.7. Giving it a 68400k estimated print run.

But with giving a publisher one percentage number for all titles and all issues for that year of 17.5% (which cant possibly be true, just an avg), these numbers will be outta whack.

Maybe they sold 17.5% of all titles. But what if capital actually only sold 9% of Mulkon Empire #1? That would actually put the total print run of this book at about at about 133k. 133k and 68k is a huge difference.

Or what if they actually sold 25% of Mulkon Empire #1? Now you are talkin a 48k print run. Another big difference.

We can take krause numbers, its all we got to go on. But for DU's such as this, we cant contact them. And have no way to verify any of it. I wouldnt really trust any of the numbers computed from capital city orders.

Diamond preorders are a different story. They are still not exact, but they are pretty close. They dont figure in newstand sales, or reorders. But then again, for DU's, I doubt there were too many available on newstands and those figures are probably pretty close.

Really sucks too. I think that final print run numbers should be available for every comic published. Maybe not right away. It would jeopardize publishers sales if they provided them right away. But even if they released them a year later, or even two years. It wouldnt affect them, and would be an extremely useful tool for all us collectors out there.

[TKWill]

Only thing with using the capital numbers as Greg stated is krause pretty much just says for instance, just an example:

Capital city accounted for 17.5% of all tekno books for 1995. So pretty much all we can do is take Mulkon Empire #1's capital city order number of 12k roughly, and multiply it by approximately 5.7. Giving it a 68400k estimated print run.

But with giving a publisher one percentage number for all titles and all issues for that year of 17.5% (which cant possibly be true, just an avg), these numbers will be outta whack.

Maybe they sold 17.5% of all titles. But what if capital actually only sold 9% of Mulkon Empire #1? That would actually put the total print run of this book at about at about 133k. 133k and 68k is a huge difference.

Or what if they actually sold 25% of Mulkon Empire #1? Now you are talkin a 48k print run. Another big difference.

We can take krause numbers, its all we got to go on. But for DU's such as this, we cant contact them. And have no way to verify any of it. I wouldnt really trust any of the numbers computed from capital city orders.

Diamond preorders are a different story. They are still not exact, but they are pretty close. They dont figure in newstand sales, or reorders. But then again, for DU's, I doubt there were too many available on newstands and those figures are probably pretty close.

Really sucks too. I think that final print run numbers should be available for every comic published. Maybe not right away. It would jeopardize publishers sales if they provided them right away. But even if they released them a year later, or even two years. It wouldnt affect them, and would be an extremely useful tool for all us collectors out there.

I understand what you're saying but someone somewhere knows the information, just a matter of finding the right person to steer you in the right direction.

[Draco]

Only thing with using the capital numbers as Greg stated is krause pretty much just says for instance, just an example:

Capital city accounted for 17.5% of all tekno books for 1995. So pretty much all we can do is take Mulkon Empire #1's capital city order number of 12k roughly, and multiply it by approximately 5.7. Giving it a 68400k estimated print run.

But with giving a publisher one percentage number for all titles and all issues for that year of 17.5% (which cant possibly be true, just an avg), these numbers will be outta whack.

Maybe they sold 17.5% of all titles. But what if capital actually only sold 9% of Mulkon Empire #1? That would actually put the total print run of this book at about at about 133k. 133k and 68k is a huge difference.

Or what if they actually sold 25% of Mulkon Empire #1? Now you are talkin a 48k print run. Another big difference.

We can take krause numbers, its all we got to go on. But for DU's such as this, we cant contact them. And have no way to verify any of it. I wouldnt really trust any of the numbers computed from capital city orders.

Diamond preorders are a different story. They are still not exact, but they are pretty close. They dont figure in newstand sales, or reorders. But then again, for DU's, I doubt there were too many available on newstands and those figures are probably pretty close.

Really sucks too. I think that final print run numbers should be available for every comic published. Maybe not right away. It would jeopardize publishers sales if they provided them right away. But even if they released them a year later, or even two years. It wouldnt affect them, and would be an extremely useful tool for all us collectors out there.

I understand what you're saying but someone somewhere knows the information, just a matter of finding the right person to steer you in the right direction.

For sure.

[xodacia81]

I absolutely think that as a start, estimated approximations, clearly marked as such, are the way to go. In fact, that was what I was trying to get at, if I wasn't clear about it. It is going to take lots of patience and hard work, but one day, we will manage.

[Draco]

One thing is for sure.

It will take time.

However it seems theres a good bunch of us who love this stuff and together we will make it happen.

I am in no hurry as the enjoyment is in the work itself.
Watching it unravel bit by bit makes each step that much more beautiful.

So far im very pleased with the response Chris has had to all this and im sure its gonna get better.

Cool to all.



Ian

[SnotDrip]

Thought I would drop a line and let you know that I do enjoy this section although not an active contributor (more quiet observation). The sum of the knowledge within these threads is quite impressive (BroJ, Chiclo, Depluto to name a few).

With regards to the scanning project, and apologies if this has already been brought up, but I often use the The Grand Comicbook Database Project for scanned images and reference material. Perhaps an idea here would be to link to the various publishers/titles instead of recreating the wheel.

Anyways great job

[tictuck]

Thought I would drop a line and let you know that I do enjoy this section although not an active contributor (more quiet observation). The sum of the knowledge within these threads is quite impressive (BroJ, Chiclo, Depluto to name a few).

With regards to the scanning project, and apologies if this has already been brought up, but I often use the The Grand Comicbook Database Project for scanned images and reference material. Perhaps an idea here would be to link to the various publishers/titles instead of recreating the wheel.

Anyways great job

Pretty cool site , the only thing lacking is the Variant Covers

[SnotDrip]

[Draco]

been a while since we all got together on this fun.

How are you all doing with your respective DU collecting habits/problems?

Min is out of control as im sure you are aware.

I really want to get going on some stuff soon here.

[Draco]

been a while since we all got together on this fun.

How are you all doing with your respective DU collecting habits/problems?

Min is out of control as im sure you are aware.

I really want to get going on some stuff soon here.

I have done some more Excel sheet DU checklists and will have some ready to use by Wednesday.

[Knightt]

I have started reconfirming needs lists, organizing extra by company/title and bought moure boxes to store all the 'keep this' piles and will hopefully be done by this weekend.

My newest addition of Event Comics has me in a tizzy... I am looking for those Farenheit books.

[Knightt]

I have started reconfirming needs lists, organizing extra by company/title and bought moure boxes to store all the 'keep this' piles and will hopefully be done by this weekend.

My newest addition of Event Comics has me in a tizzy... I am looking for those Farenheit books.

[tssgery]

Double posting in the hopes someone has extra Fahrenheit books?

I seen them fairly often at the local conventions, one of which is coming up next week. I'll scour the bins for you and see what I come up with. I'll also look for the Event books you don't have since I'll be looking anyway

[Knightt]

Double posting in the hopes someone has extra Fahrenheit books?

I seen them fairly often at the local conventions, one of which is coming up next week. I'll scour the bins for you and see what I come up with. I'll also look for the Event books you don't have since I'll be looking anyway

Why whatever do you mean, kind sir ? (hey it NEVER hurts ya know ? )

[Knightt]

I thought that I would bring this up again as a few of the things that I had going (or were trying to get going were simply slipping through my fingers because of dedicated time becoming smaller and smaller).

Lets prioritize a list of what 'we' would like to work on first ?

Well I was given this portion of the boards (Dead Universes) by Greg well over two years ago now. I was wondering just what everyone here 'thought' of the Dead Universes section NOW as it has matured over time. Do you find it useful ? Is there something you would like to see 'added' or something that should NOT bed here ? Personally, I would like to see some comic scans of each DU that is put up with a checklist, but no guide price as we are talking for the 'most part' bin books with the exception of things like Miracle on Broadway (want to see a scan of mine ? ) and Birth of the Defiant Universe which 'could' be given an average price based on recent Ebay sales.

So, if you would give me a couple of minutes, please let me know what you think of the Dead Universes section. Much of the work that has been done here has also been with the aid from depluto and Brother J, so I have them to thank.

If we were to do a 'cover scans' project, people would have to take ownership and do some of the DU scans. I 'was' going to take it on but I found that it takes up WAAAAAY too much time out of my already busy schedule, but I am willing to take a couple of the DUs and do my part.

Well that is just some of my input, but I would like to stir up a bit of discussion and if we come up with anything to add which takes up 'space' on the site, I will run it past Greg and if it requires a monthly or years dollar amount, I will pay that to keep this section growing and ensuring that we have quality control and most of all a fun and useful tool that is utilized for the collection of the Dead Universes that we have come to love, collect and in some cases become obsessed with !!!