Rob Liefeld vs Jae Lee - who is worse?

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:36 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:Wow, that is some dynamite artwork.

I agree, but I don't fault him for it. A paychecks a paycheck.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:47 am

x-omatic wrote:His work on teh GI Joe / Transformers books was cool a few years ago.

Yeah it was, which is surpising considering he said doesn't like drawing machines/robots and it's not one of his better jobs IMO.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:43 am

Zaphod wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Wow, that is some dynamite artwork.
I agree, but I don't fault him for it. A paychecks a paycheck.

You don't care for it?

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:10 am

I am not a fan of either but I wouldn't compare them. Liefeld is bad in a laughable, comic (excuse the pun) way while Jae Lee is bad in an I don't generally like his style kinda way.

I have seen some of Jae Lee's stuff that is quite cool and I have quite liked it but Liefeld is the epitome of awful.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:54 am

Drift wrote: Liefeld is the epitome of awful.

Agreed.

iggy101us · Post by **iggy101us** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:59 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Drift wrote: Liefeld is the epitome of awful.
Agreed.

At least he's good at something, good at being awful.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Thu May 21, 2009 1:08 pm

Drift wrote:Liefeld is bad in a laughable, comic (excuse the pun) way while Jae Lee is bad in an I don't generally like his style kinda way.

I think anyone can accept that opinion.

-slym

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Thu May 21, 2009 1:47 pm

iggy101us wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Drift wrote: Liefeld is the epitome of awful.
Agreed.
At least he's good at something, good at being awful.

Hahaha...for sure.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:53 pm

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just cracks me up

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:57 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
Zaphod wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:Wow, that is some dynamite artwork.
I agree, but I don't fault him for it. A paychecks a paycheck.
You don't care for it?

oh...ummm...I thought you were being cheeky.

comicsyte95 · Post by **comicsyte95** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:10 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
iggy101us wrote:
Daniel Jackson wrote:
Drift wrote: Liefeld is the epitome of awful.
Agreed.
At least he's good at something, good at being awful.
Hahaha...for sure.

And look Cap has no feet!

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:28 pm

My initial reaction to both is totally opposite to what it is now; the first book I remember Liefield doing was a Hawk & Dove LS for DC back in the late 80's I think, and I loved it, but I can't stand anything he has done since. Lee on the other hand, his early stuff on Namor, I didn't like at all, but I love his recent stuff, the Dark Tower work in particular

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geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:23 pm

I loved Jae Lee's Namor run in the 90's. Back then, I thought that was the coolest thing. I still love #31 (I think) where he fights Dr. Doom and gets thrown in the water and simply grabs Doom's boat and stops it.

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:44 pm

I still think Liefeld could probably draw an awesome XO

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:52 am

J-Scott-R wrote:My initial reaction to both is totally opposite to what it is now; the first book I remember Liefield doing was a Hawk & Dove LS for DC back in the late 80's I think, and I loved it, but I can't stand anything he has done since. Lee on the other hand, his early stuff on Namor, I didn't like at all, but I love his recent stuff, the Dark Tower work in particular .

The reason his Hawk and Dove mini was ok was because he had editorial direction. When he has someone telling him what to do he can be ok. When he moved to Marvel and became "hot" they let him do his own thing, which as we all know is bollocks.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:41 am

After having the delight of recently re-reading Deathmate Red, I have to say Liefeld.

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:44 am

Drift wrote:
J-Scott-R wrote:My initial reaction to both is totally opposite to what it is now; the first book I remember Liefield doing was a Hawk & Dove LS for DC back in the late 80's I think, and I loved it, but I can't stand anything he has done since. Lee on the other hand, his early stuff on Namor, I didn't like at all, but I love his recent stuff, the Dark Tower work in particular .
The reason his Hawk and Dove mini was ok was because he had editorial direction. When he has someone telling him what to do he can be ok. When he moved to Marvel and became "hot" they let him do his own thing, which as we all know is bollocks.

I hear you

SnotDrip · Post by **SnotDrip** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:44 am

JustCallMeAric wrote:I still think Liefeld could probably draw an awesome XO

with ginormous booobies no doubt

georgewlea · Post by **georgewlea** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:22 pm

I think Liefield is the worst artist jae lee did awesome work on the Marvel Knights Inhumans miniseries

Did anyone read Onslaught Reborn Liefield revealed his original idea that he wasnt allowed to reveal when he was drawing Heroes Reborn that "Hawkeye" was in fact "Wolverine" he didnt read the bit in the original Onslaught Marvel Universe where reed richards said Onslaught will live again if a mutant enters him so WTF is Liefield and Waid on

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:56 pm

georgewlea wrote:I think Liefield is the worst artist jae lee did awesome work on the Marvel Knights Inhumans miniseries

Did anyone read Onslaught Reborn Liefield revealed his original idea that he wasnt allowed to reveal when he was drawing Heroes Reborn that "Hawkeye" was in fact "Wolverine" he didnt read the bit in the original Onslaught Marvel Universe where reed richards said Onslaught will live again if a mutant enters him so WTF is Liefield and Waid on

Hey dude, nice to see another UK dude.

check the nonsense here for more UK board members talking bollox.

viewtopic.php?t=21469

Also go here and tell us your Valiant story if you feel the need.

viewforum.php?f=15

I agree that Lee's art on Inhumans and some other bits are outstanding.

The joke that is Onlsaught Reborn just scares the crap out of me whenever i look at one.
Funnily enough Drift and I flicked through a copy recently and cried our hearts out man.

What were Marvel thinking doing that after the success if the First time round.

Is there still someone somewhere that thinks he can cut is a comic creator (i say that knowing full well his portfolio is quite prolific, but lacking horribly in any quality throughout any of his own books).

have we not all witnessed the atrocoties this man perpetrated on the comics inducstry.
Moreso the unsuspecting new blood that were coming to the comics industry in the early nineties, all being fed his puke.

If you were told his stuff was the mack daddy, then chances are thats what you would have believed aged 12 to 16 (any other age you were suckered foo')
Hopefully until of course you woke from your awesome/Extreme/Maximum induced coma, opened your eyes and the proceeded to pluck both of them out again with the nearest pointy thing in disgust at your own inablity to understand and spot good/bad storytelling, layouts, panels, middles, endings, continuity both in history and art/anatomy, characterisation, schedules, originality and on and on and on etc etc etc.

I cannot say anything positive about anything Liefeld has ever produced.
Sure when i saw some vids he came across really cool, nice family man, quiet and unassuming and more nice things i cant remember right now

, but none of that nce stuff matters as he gave us :

Youngblood, Bloostrike, Bloodpool, Chapel, Battlestone, Brigade.
mani could list another 30, but i think if you can find me one comic he created and produced himself that anything good about it i will be astonished.

I dare someone to find me one, just one good one.

Aint happening, no siree bob.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:59 pm

Supreme was excellent when Alan Moore started writing it and that was the ONLY saving grace of that whole series and even Moore couldn't save Youngblood, Glory, New Men, and the rest of Extreme/Maximum/Awesome comics.

And if you think his Captain American was bad his take on Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's The Fighting American is even worse.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:18 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:Supreme was excellent when Alan Moore started writing it and that was the ONLY saving grace of that whole series and even Moore couldn't save Youngblood, Glory, New Men, and the rest of Extreme/Maximum/Awesome comics.

And if you think his Captain American was bad his take on Joe Simon and Jack Kirby's The Fighting American is even worse.

you are not kidding are you dude,
that crap sucks *SQUEE* big time.

i know people like the design, i almost do myself and had some Kirby 50' books, but boy oh boy

The mention of Supreme is the Ultimate get out is it not, well for Rob anyway

I wonder what may have happened to his career without Moore on Supreme?
Did that really stop him from being the biggest failure ever to mass publish comics?
Regardless of whether one of the best writers to grace the medium took the single biggest rip off of Superman Since Captain Marvel (just kidding, what DC did to Fawcett was sickening), and made it a weird and wonderful read, it means nothing to me in terms of what Rob Liefeld himself achieved, where maybe others may have been more impressed and forgotten all the bad that dude did in the name of what ($$$$$?), cos if it were for the love of comics, get that man to a padded cell.

robb77 · Post by **robb77** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:23 pm

i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

Drift · Post by **Drift** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:30 pm

robb77 wrote:i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

You think wrong my friend.

I've just put the indys from the boxes we got at the weekend in order and there is a chunk of Supreme in there. It is bloody awful.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri May 22, 2009 5:32 pm

Drift wrote:
robb77 wrote:i vaguely remember reading the first couple of issues of supreme the art wasn't all that bad - i think

You think wrong my friend.

I've just put the indys from the boxes we got at the weekend in order and there is a chunk of Supreme in there. It is bloody awful.

AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!