Mapping out VH1 here...

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:23 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I want the completely collected appearances of Bloodshot, both VHes. And maybe Rai (with all the "future book crossovers). But other stuff always seems to "get in the way".

Yea, for BloodShot In Particular you kinda HAVE to use his appearances because he was such a big part of Valiant when he came out his story lines were all over the place. Plus, they are just damn cool so why not!
I'd rather have books that have room to spare than oversized books. 4 Volumes of 20 books each plus extras is really the best way to go for the V-H1 collection. But again, its everyone's own prefrence.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:47 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:I want the completely collected appearances of Bloodshot, both VHes. And maybe Rai (with all the "future book crossovers). But other stuff always seems to "get in the way".

Hey, how is this going?? Have you come up with your mapping yet?

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:53 pm

Ian, those maps on the fron page are amazing, and thanks for keeping those up!

But man, you all are giving me some heavy food for thought.

What concerns me is the amount of double or even triple buying of issues to do, say do a Bloodshot volume, a Chaos Effect volume and then a Secret Weapons volume. I tend to not like doing that.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:30 pm

turborip wrote:Ian, those maps on the fron page are amazing, and thanks for keeping those up!

But man, you all are giving me some heavy food for thought.

What concerns me is the amount of double or even triple buying of issues to do, say do a Bloodshot volume, a Chaos Effect volume and then a Secret Weapons volume. I tend to not like doing that.

I completely understand that! Remember, each person is going to want to bind their books uniquely. So dont worry about any peer pressure here LOL.. its all good.

Do what works for you.. Im very liberal when it comes to this LOL Thats an inside joke

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:38 pm

Hey guys..

Im reading through my TimeWalker bound book... and Im a bit disappointed. There are references to Chaos Effect and a few other things.. that leave me in the dark as I read through it. I guess this is part of the problem with having such a intertwined universe...

The good news is this: I find myself not even paying attention to the particular issue number.. I find myself reading through this book as if this were the way it was produced. I dont wait till the end of an issue to stop. When Im tired of reading (I know.. Tired of reading Valiant?? Never!) I can simply lay in the ribbon and pick it up later. I LOVE THAT!..

So whos the Time Walker fan around here... I may need to adjust that map.. maybe not

Since I know the Valiant U more than the average person, the missing story pieces are too terrible bad.. but for the unknowing person, who might pick up my book to read through, might be lost due to those peices..... but .. its not like the average person is going to pick it up, its mine! LOL..

MoonChild · Post by **MoonChild** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:33 pm

Yea you have to have Chaos Effect in the Timewalker Book, I'm real particular when it comes to this, which is why its taking me so long to submit! All the Extra material plus making sure I have everything in order, it's alot of work!

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:07 pm

are the maps on page one of this thread updated and accurate, or do you have to read through the entire thread to find an update?

i am interested in the possibilities of a sldm bound book. i think you're missing quite a bit though according to what's on page one.

you start with dr mirage numero uno, but shouldn't it be shadowman 16-the mirage's first appearance? And in one of the issues darque mentions that he is gonna go in search of some legendary coins which ties into the guest apps of the mirages in ew....17 and 18 maybe?

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:13 pm

dave wrote:are the maps on page one of this thread updated and accurate, or do you have to read through the entire thread to find an update?

i am interested in the possibilities of a sldm bound book. i think you're missing quite a bit though according to what's on page one.

you start with dr mirage numero uno, but shouldn't it be shadowman 16-the mirage's first appearance? And in one of the issues darque mentions that he is gonna go in search of some legendary coins which ties into the guest apps of the mirages in ew....17 and 18 maybe?

Legendary coins?

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:30 pm

dave wrote:are the maps on page one of this thread updated and accurate, or do you have to read through the entire thread to find an update?

i am interested in the possibilities of a sldm bound book. i think you're missing quite a bit though according to what's on page one.

you start with dr mirage numero uno, but shouldn't it be shadowman 16-the mirage's first appearance? And in one of the issues darque mentions that he is gonna go in search of some legendary coins which ties into the guest apps of the mirages in ew....17 and 18 maybe?

Hi Dave, welcome to the thread. The maps are not exhaustive. They are the basics with a few adjustments. Post you map here and I can modify the list

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Mar 27, 2009 7:02 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
dave wrote:are the maps on page one of this thread updated and accurate, or do you have to read through the entire thread to find an update?

i am interested in the possibilities of a sldm bound book. i think you're missing quite a bit though according to what's on page one.

you start with dr mirage numero uno, but shouldn't it be shadowman 16-the mirage's first appearance? And in one of the issues darque mentions that he is gonna go in search of some legendary coins which ties into the guest apps of the mirages in ew....17 and 18 maybe?
Legendary coins?

There's 30 of them. They are silver pieces.

The exact issues are EW 17 - 19.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:05 am

The money was orginally from the jewish priests, but may have ended up either in the hands of a real estate agent ( acts) or returned to them (Matthew).

I think the big grin from X O Joe wasa wind up, as 30 pieces of silver is like Someones birthday who falls on 25th Dec ~ most people would know about it.

NB ~ I sound like Drift

Thankyou all folks, I'm here every Saturday morning. Book in advance so you don't miss out on seats.

Ah that reminds me the sign up

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:08 am

tomorrow

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:53 am

Nicely done work gents. I see a couple things about Rai, which I wanted to pipe in with.

I do plan on getting Rai bound, but here is what I am going with.

Vol 1
Rai 1-8 and 0, Rai Companion
Rai 24-33

While I have not figured out where 0 and the companion goes, I think that if you already have RFF bound with a Magnus set then there is no need for duplication. Also, since Rai continues on in Magnus after issue 33 you can reference your Magnus trade. The two series are so interconnected that it you can reference pre-unity Rai, RFF, and Rai after 33 in Magnus. This leaves all other Rai appearances soley in one volume of Rai.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:13 am

personally i couldn't bring myself to harm an otherwise nice copy of rai 3 or 4...and we already have the magnus and rai trades...i just like the idea of doing these as a handy reference.

if i end up all strung out like these others guys i think i would still use a copy of the trade rather than individual issues.

junkies!

tarheelmarine · Post by **tarheelmarine** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:50 am

dave wrote:personally i couldn't bring myself to harm an otherwise nice copy of rai 3 or 4...and we already have the magnus and rai trades...i just like the idea of doing these as a handy reference.

if i end up all strung out like these others guys i think i would still use a copy of the trade rather than individual issues.

junkies!

I agree. I will be using the trade for issues 1-4.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:08 pm

What is Valiant Era Companion #1 and how important is it to the beginning of the Eternal Warrior stories?

Also, what do you guys think about binding Geomancer 1-8 at the end of the Eternal Warrior book 3 instead of Eternal Warriors 1-6? I just think it has more in common with Eternal Warrior and might rather bind it there than with Psi-Lords. Of course, then I'll want to bind the Psi-Lords stuff with something else, maybe Magnus?

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:31 pm

Valiant Era Companion is first meeting of Gilad and Toyo Harada. I felt it was tied directly to Eternal Warrior so elected to bind it there.

re: Geomancer and Eternal Warrior. Not a bad idea at all. You might want to look carefully at when the two titles matched up. Clay "firing" Gilad and how that affected Gilad in Eternal Warrior, and put the two together appropriately.

As IanAlexavier has stated throughout this thread, the maps are just one or two peoples ideas of how they bound their books; it's not set in concrete. I used the maps to confirm some of my thoughts; I also deviated from the maps because I liked my set up better. It really is all up to you. The maps are suggestions, nothing more.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:11 pm

As for the maps beings suggestions, I understand completely. I just wanted to share my ideas and get the thoughts of others on those ideas. I might look at alternating EW/Geomancer from the point where they match up. Have to go see where that point is and try reading it that way to check.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:03 pm

Hey guys.. I opened another thread for VH2/Acclaim books.. take a look and make some suggestions

dave · Post by **dave** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:17 pm

stop the madness!!! just kidding.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:51 pm

In putting together my Secret Weapons book, I keep coming across later Harbinger characters... has anyone put a Harbinger series together that can tell me about whether I need to put some of the later Harbinger books into my Secret Weapons map?? The characters seem to overlap a lot, but the stories not so much..

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:36 am

I have a question about X-O mapping vs. Shadowman mapping. The X-O map shows issue 42 leading into Shadowman 37 and part of 38, then back into X-O 43. The Shadowman map does not lead into either of those X-O issues.

I don't have X-O 42 to check against this, but I do have a near complete run of Shadowman that I want to bind. My question is: Is X-O 42 necessary for my Shadowman bind?

Edit: Nevermind....just saw it on an alternate mapping on page one. It looks like the answer is...maybe.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 10:56 am

You might want to wait until you get the X-O issues...

I will see if I can take a look at those issues today some time..

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:03 am

IanAlexavier wrote:You might want to wait until you get the X-O issues...

I will see if I can take a look at those issues today some time..

I probably will wait. There was no hurry anyway. I was just compiling a list of issues I needed for specific binds that were closer to being ready, but I'm not looking to get this done immediately.

Phoenix8008 · Post by **Phoenix8008** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:22 pm

Hey there all. Got a couple of questions/suggestions to see what others think for mapping out Rai and Magnus.

I noticed in reading the Rai books that issue 33 really isn't the end of his story, just the end of that series. Has anyone considered putting Magnus Robot Fighter 49-64 after Rai 33? I'm now considering it even though it would mean getting another set of those Magnus issues to put in the Rai book. That or I can just put in a note directing pick up the story at Magnus #49.

As for the Magnus I have a new order that I think I'll use for my hardbacks. It'll make it into 4 books instead of three but I think it'll work. I made it chronological where I could based on the dates in the books and added the Psi-Lords books into the Magnus stuff since they were so few issues by themselves and so connected to the Magnus books.

Here's my layout, tell me what you think.

Book 1:
Original MRF 1, MRF & Nexus 1-2, Vintage MRF 1-4, MRF YB 1, MRF 0-11*, Predator vs. MRF 1-2, MRF 12-14. (25 issues) *MRF 5-8 need to be split and flipped for the Rai books.

Book 2:
MRF 15-24, RFF 9, MRF 25, RFF 10-11, MRF 26-29, RFF 15, MRF 30, RFF 16, MRF 31, RFF 17, MRF 32-33, RFF 18. (26 issues)

Book 3:
MRF 34, RFF 19, MRF 35, RFF 20, MRF 36, RFF 21, MRF 37, RFF 22-23, MRF 38-39, PSI 1-3, MRF 40-41, Chaos Effect Omega, MRF 42, Chaos Effect Epilogue 1-2, MRF 43-46. (24 issues)

Book 4:
PSI 4-7, Destroyer 0, PSI 8-10, MRF 47-64. (26 issues)