Only The Valiant Podcast

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:58 am

Elveen wrote:I can't wait to listen.

Me too.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:29 am

Knightt wrote:
Elveen wrote:I can't wait to listen.
Me too.

Damn, me too and i can beleive you didnt invite me in on this via satelitte link ya bastiches.

Im the God of all things DU dammit ( well actually knightt is so he better be on there too

) and i demand answers ya scally wags.

Ok seriously i cannot wait to tuck into my fave subject.

RAR !!!

Draco

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:44 am

NO!

I've been trying so hard to stick with Valiant as my new passion, and I just know Chiclo is going to convince me otherwise.

I've already got a secret stash of Ultraverse, Bravura, Comic's Greatest World and a few other DU's I've found set aside but refuse to acknowlege it until I have more Valiants.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:47 am

There are a few of you guys that would have been great additions to this show!

I just didn't get around to pulling any of you in.

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:48 am

turborip wrote: I've already got a secret stash of Ultraverse, Bravura, Comic's Greatest World and a few other DU's I've found set aside but refuse to acknowlege it until I have more Valiants.

. . some good stuff in there . . .

You ever get any Broadway ?

turborip · Post by **turborip** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:01 am

siren3-4 wrote:
turborip wrote: I've already got a secret stash of Ultraverse, Bravura, Comic's Greatest World and a few other DU's I've found set aside but refuse to acknowlege it until I have more Valiants.
. . some good stuff in there . . .

You ever get any Broadway ?

Not yet. Only 1 Defiant too. The rest are just handfuls of titles or companies. I'll have to compile a needs list for the DU board. Still sorting and finding stuff i didn't even know I had!

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:56 am

JIHAD! JIHAD!

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:00 am

turborip wrote:
siren3-4 wrote:
turborip wrote: I've already got a secret stash of Ultraverse, Bravura, Comic's Greatest World and a few other DU's I've found set aside but refuse to acknowlege it until I have more Valiants.
. . some good stuff in there . . .

You ever get any Broadway ?
Not yet. Only 1 Defiant too. The rest are just handfuls of titles or companies. I'll have to compile a needs list for the DU board. Still sorting and finding stuff i didn't even know I had!

Well if you ever decide to come over to the Dark Side, definately get with Chiclo. I am sure he can hook you up with all kinds of info and extra stuff. The guy is amazing.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:09 pm

going to pause the podcast in the middle and discuss one of the earliest topics, whether something is an imprint or a universe. Imprint is a publishing term to me, while a universe is a storyline term, so you're really talking apples and oranges there.

Can an imprint be a dead universe? Yes, Milestone was an imprint, but also was it's own universe until DC recently merged them. Are all imprints universes? Of course not, Vertigo is an imprint, but many of their titles are set in the DC Universe proper (at least at the beginning of Vertigo). There's also a difference between defunct companies and dead universes, in that many of the defunct companies like Comico didn't have a shared universe. We keep track of them in the Dead Universe section because they are similiar to the dead universes in that it's cool to collect a finite set of books, especially ones where the majority of issues can be obtained cheaply.

Like Chiclo stated at the beginning, a universe is a set of characters and titles with a shared continuity and storylines that don't generally cross over with other universes (unless the companies try something dopey, like Deathmate).

If you guys come to this conclusion later in the podcast (the part I haven't listened to yet) then...

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:31 pm

Brother J wrote:going to pause the podcast in the middle and discuss one of the earliest topics, whether something is an imprint or a universe. Imprint is a publishing term to me, while a universe is a storyline term, so you're really talking apples and oranges there.

Can an imprint be a dead universe? Yes, Milestone was an imprint, but also was it's own universe until DC recently merged them. Are all imprints universes? Of course not, Vertigo is an imprint, but many of their titles are set in the DC Universe proper (at least at the beginning of Vertigo). There's also a difference between defunct companies and dead universes, in that many of the defunct companies like Comico didn't have a shared universe. We keep track of them in the Dead Universe section because they are similiar to the dead universes in that it's cool to collect a finite set of books, especially ones where the majority of issues can be obtained cheaply.

Like Chiclo stated at the beginning, a universe is a set of characters and titles with a shared continuity and storylines that don't generally cross over with other universes (unless the companies try something dopey, like Deathmate).

If you guys come to this conclusion later in the podcast (the part I haven't listened to yet) then...

Posting a response huh . . . I usually just yell at my ipod . . .

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:44 pm

Brother J wrote:going to pause the podcast in the middle and discuss one of the earliest topics, whether something is an imprint or a universe. Imprint is a publishing term to me, while a universe is a storyline term, so you're really talking apples and oranges there.

Can an imprint be a dead universe? Yes, Milestone was an imprint, but also was it's own universe until DC recently merged them. Are all imprints universes? Of course not, Vertigo is an imprint, but many of their titles are set in the DC Universe proper (at least at the beginning of Vertigo). There's also a difference between defunct companies and dead universes, in that many of the defunct companies like Comico didn't have a shared universe. We keep track of them in the Dead Universe section because they are similiar to the dead universes in that it's cool to collect a finite set of books, especially ones where the majority of issues can be obtained cheaply.

Like Chiclo stated at the beginning, a universe is a set of characters and titles with a shared continuity and storylines that don't generally cross over with other universes (unless the companies try something dopey, like Deathmate).

If you guys come to this conclusion later in the podcast (the part I haven't listened to yet) then...

That's a good definition. I think our discussion of the definition might have just created confusion rather than clarity.

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:53 pm

when does the first impressions podcast come out?

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:55 pm

dave wrote:when does the first impressions podcast come out?

Let's get the book in our hands before we discuss that..

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:05 pm

you need to be more forward thinking.

pretend it's a jim rome interview:

dear jim, thanks for that interview with (insert today's guest)
it was TREmendous. i never used to like that guy as a fan of (name biggest rival) but i have a new respect for him now.

war wheat thins.

see, it's easy!

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:15 pm

pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:43 pm

another correction: Bucky O'Hare, was not licensed, was created by Larry Hama and first appeared in Echo of Futurepast by Continuity in the 80's. Cartoon came out in 1991.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:52 pm

Thanks for the updates. We may need to include all of this in errata for the episode.

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:12 pm

Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune

HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:13 pm

Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.

"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:17 pm

I make no claim to data/info that I may get wrong because we're having a casual discussion on the topic.

There's a reason I'm not often wrong IN WRITING....that reason doesn't hold in conversation.

That said, my memory of events that happened in 1993, especially with regard to order of events, is still pretty damn fine.....

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:17 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.
"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

That would be an excellent custom.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:19 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.
"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

That anyone thinks I can FIND my Ultraverse books is funny all on its own....

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:52 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.
"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

That anyone thinks I can FIND my Ultraverse books is funny all on its own....

You mean there was another joke there?

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 12:52 am

X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.
"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:44 am

Brother J wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:
Chiclo wrote:
Brother J wrote:pausing the podcast again...

The dispute about what order the Ultraverse books were first released in. Here's the correct order, as I just went through the early Ultraverse checklists included in the books:

Month 1: Prime, Strangers, Hardcase
Month 2: Mantra, Freex
Month 3: Exiles, Prototype
Month 4: Firearm, Solution
Month 5: Night Man, Sludge
Month 6: Rune
HA!

Chiclo: 2 ZWH: I'm not counting.
"Someone's gonna check their shortboxes and prove me right."

I always look to Brother J and even depluto (otherwise known as Mandingo) on Ultraverse. A few years back, there was a lot of research that went into collecting this data.

I had asked Tom Mason a few direct questions but again there was some kind of 'I can't talk about this because I am helping in the writing of a book in regards to Malibu and Ultraverse'.

My hope is that this book actually sees the light of day and perhaps someday in the future we will be able to read the recollections of those that were there at the time.

Maybe it's time to ring up Tom ?