Solar #40 - was the plot changed?

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:28 pm

I originaly posted this in the "Re-reading" section but it doesn't get alot of traffic there so I figured I'd post it here.

http://www.valiantfans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9023

maybe not the best place to post this and maybe its been addressed before, but was the story changed midstream or did anyone else notice how on page 22, panel 3 Phil has a green eye and a brown eye?

typically the visual cue that Immortal Enemy has possessed somebody.

that would have been much cooler if they went that route. I am catching up on books I picked up while reorganizing my collection, and I am missing quite a few monthly collectible pamphlets that come directly after this story, so maybe they did.

so this might have been discussed before (I am a search maroon) but what do you all think?

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:48 am

48 views and nobody has a comment. At all.

If even to say I am colour blind.

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:32 pm

I have no idea if it was a changed story or a coloring glitch.

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:46 pm

Colorist was probably just trying to show the shading.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 7:58 pm

it would've made a terrific storyline though-but woulda been so major that they'd be better off saving it for a unity type event.

IanAlexavier · Post by **IanAlexavier** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:19 pm

I agree.. that would have been a MAJOR event.. cool story.. maybe not the right time. So what was going on editorially at that time? Maybe someone started thinking, "Hmm this is a really good story but.. its gunna effect everyone if we do it right.."

Interesting.. Nice catch though

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:39 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. that would have been a MAJOR event.. cool story.. maybe not the right time. So what was going on editorially at that time? Maybe someone started thinking, "Hmm this is a really good story but.. its gunna effect everyone if we do it right.."

Interesting.. Nice catch though

Yeah I never would've noticed that

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 11:26 pm

IanAlexavier wrote:I agree.. that would have been a MAJOR event.. cool story.. maybe not the right time. So what was going on editorially at that time? Maybe someone started thinking, "Hmm this is a really good story but.. its gunna effect everyone if we do it right.."

Interesting.. Nice catch though

Very nice catch. I think it could have been a great story, if that is what they meant to do. Further, I wonder if this is something that got lost in the shuffle immediatly prior to BQ or, if some of the things I've heard are true, that this was part of what BQ was originally going to be. We all know that they brought in new writers and artists, at high prices, in order to try to up sales, as well as going to a bi-weekly schedule. But, I've also read in some places where there was going to be an actual STORY that would have tied "BQ" together in a cohesive manner. Valiant might have lost some steam by this time, but it was still viable. BQ was just the final nail in the coffin of the original universe. Any thoughts?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:02 am

xodacia81 wrote:But, I've also read in some places where there was going to be an actual STORY that would have tied "BQ" together in a cohesive manner.

Hmm. I'v never heard this. I've interviewed Kevin VanHook, who was writing 2 bi-weekly BQ titles at the time, and he never mentioned BQ as anything other than an attempt to increase sales. I'd love to hear more about this if you can remember where you read it.

All I can imagine is a gathering of the heroes where everyone asks, "WTF happened to *YOU*?"

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 7:54 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:But, I've also read in some places where there was going to be an actual STORY that would have tied "BQ" together in a cohesive manner.
Hmm. I'v never heard this. I've interviewed Kevin VanHook, who was writing 2 bi-weekly BQ titles at the time, and he never mentioned BQ as anything other than an attempt to increase sales. I'd love to hear more about this if you can remember where you read it.

All I can imagine is a gathering of the heroes where everyone asks, "WTF happened to *YOU*?"

Well, if VanHook has said nothing, then I'll take his word for it. I always thought BQ was just a money grab with no rhyme or reason, but then I read some other things and, given the chaos at the company during that period, I always wondered. If KVH has said nothing about it, then I will assume there is no validity.

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:10 am

Immortal Enemy always had a great appeal to me as a character and nemesis to Gil...and really the rest of the Valiant Universe. I always felt he was underused and that certainly would have had him challenging the top 2 (Harada and Darque) imo.

myron · Post by **myron** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:24 am

Zaphod wrote:Immortal Enemy always had a great appeal to me as a character and nemesis to Gil...and really the rest of the Valiant Universe. I always felt he was underused and that certainly would have had him challenging the top 2 (Harada and Darque) imo.

I was always p.o.ed at how they "got rid" of IE...one of the worst EW stories they put out...

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:58 am

myron wrote:
Zaphod wrote:Immortal Enemy always had a great appeal to me as a character and nemesis to Gil...and really the rest of the Valiant Universe. I always felt he was underused and that certainly would have had him challenging the top 2 (Harada and Darque) imo.
I was always p.o.ed at how they "got rid" of IE...one of the worst EW stories they put out...

when did that take place?

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:28 am

xodacia81 wrote:Well, if VanHook has said nothing, then I'll take his word for it. I always thought BQ was just a money grab with no rhyme or reason, but then I read some other things and, given the chaos at the company during that period, I always wondered. If KVH has said nothing about it, then I will assume there is no validity.

Well, I ever specifically asked him that question. He might have pretty much stuck to "party line" explanations, detailing what DID happen, rather than what was supposed to have happened.

I'd say it warrants further inquiry, at least.

xodacia81 · Post by **xodacia81** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 11:29 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
xodacia81 wrote:Well, if VanHook has said nothing, then I'll take his word for it. I always thought BQ was just a money grab with no rhyme or reason, but then I read some other things and, given the chaos at the company during that period, I always wondered. If KVH has said nothing about it, then I will assume there is no validity.
Well, I ever specifically asked him that question. He might have pretty much stuck to "party line" explanations, detailing what DID happen, rather than what was supposed to have happened.

I'd say it warrants further inquiry, at least.

Excellent

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:21 pm

I didn't "make it" to Solar #40. I quit reading before Chaos Effect, and quit buying right at it.

-slym

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:24 pm

myron wrote:
Zaphod wrote:Immortal Enemy always had a great appeal to me as a character and nemesis to Gil...and really the rest of the Valiant Universe. I always felt he was underused and that certainly would have had him challenging the top 2 (Harada and Darque) imo.
I was always p.o.ed at how they "got rid" of IE...one of the worst EW stories they put out...

Didn't he get stranded in the Arctic somewhere? I still think that once that host died (from exposure) that the IE would be free to move on.

-slym

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:25 pm

slym2none wrote:
myron wrote:
Zaphod wrote:Immortal Enemy always had a great appeal to me as a character and nemesis to Gil...and really the rest of the Valiant Universe. I always felt he was underused and that certainly would have had him challenging the top 2 (Harada and Darque) imo.
I was always p.o.ed at how they "got rid" of IE...one of the worst EW stories they put out...
Didn't he get stranded in the Arctic somewhere? I still think that once that host died (from exposure) that the IE would be free to move on.

-slym

Maybe he wound up in Bloodshot.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:50 am

Wasn't his last appearance, VALIANT chronology-wise in "The Eternal Geomancer" arc in MRF?

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:49 am

BloodOfHeroes wrote:Wasn't his last appearance, VALIANT chronology-wise in "The Eternal Geomancer" arc in MRF?

that was what i thought-but there are too many books that i haven't read to be sure.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:00 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:Maybe he wound up in Bloodshot.

He did. And Bloodshot treated him like his b!tch.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:01 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Maybe he wound up in Bloodshot.
He did. And Bloodshot treated him like his b!tch.

Yowsa.

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:27 pm

Daniel Jackson wrote:
BloodOfHeroes wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Maybe he wound up in Bloodshot.
He did. And Bloodshot treated him like his b!tch.
Yowsa.

Gave him the old Red Eye?

Solitude · Post by **Solitude** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:39 pm

BloodOfHeroes wrote:
X-O HoboJoe wrote:Maybe he wound up in Bloodshot. :twisted:
He did. And Bloodshot treated him like his b!tch.

I would think that if he was inside Bloodshot, then that would make Bloodshot the bi... uh... Hmm...

Guess I watched too much Oz. Sorry.

BloodOfHeroes · Post by **BloodOfHeroes** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:07 am

Solitude wrote:I would think that if he was inside Bloodshot, then that would make Bloodshot the bi... uh... Hmm...

Guess I watched too much Oz. Sorry.

Oh, yeah? Well, he...

What I mean to say is....

Um...STFU?

Anyone else remember the Eddie Murphy bit about Mr. T as a homosexual?