Archer & Armstrong: First Impressions

Steve Topper · Post by **Steve Topper** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:17 pm

dave wrote:hey steve, i didn't know you still hung around. good to see you.

Hey, dave. Been mostly lurking and binding my Valiants. When new stuff doesn't come out, I don't have a lot to talk about.

Zaphod wrote:big difference. Image did eventually put out "all new" product.

Yeah, but by the time they got everything rolling, the splash was gone along with the majority of their perceived audience.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:23 pm

I can really relate—I’m 33. Coincidentally I too was picking up most of my comics at convenience stores during the 80’s. And like you I was trying to keep up with Detective but with the Mud Pack run I missed 606—go figure.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:47 am

from the GUWCB thread, sanman wrote:I can really relate—I’m 33. Coincidentally I too was picking up most of my comics at convenience stores during the 80’s. And like you I was trying to keep up with Detective but with the Mud Pack run I missed 606—go figure.

-slym

Fanboy375 · Post by **Fanboy375** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:17 am

sanman wrote:...the Mud Pack run I missed ...

I knew this thread would go gay eventually!!!

J-Scott-R · Post by **J-Scott-R** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:08 pm

Fanboy375 wrote:
sanman wrote:...the Mud Pack run I missed ...
I knew this thread would go gay eventually!!!

Don't they all?

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:44 pm

Steve Topper wrote:At this point and with this little information on what is going on, I've completely lost interest in the book. Eight new pages for $24.95 (without a discount) is not justifiable in my mind, given the delays and the deafening silence.

I'm getting an early-Image vibe out of this. Splash announcement, missed shipping date, and then silence regarding actual shipping. I'm sure it'll show up some time, but at the cost of retailer and consumer confidence? And, at what point does this get cancelled by Diamond and have to be resolicited?

I won't say that I'm losing interest in the book.... no matter what, I just don't see that as possible. I do see how this could possibly hurt them with the casual reader / new reader. Not really now, but if this becomes the norm.

The reason I don't think it hurts them too much now is that the heavy fans are are the only ones really missing this book right now. The new fan that it's designed to pick up will probably only notice it sitting on the stands after the release. So, they won't even know it was late.

If this becomes the norm, though, it could hurt them a lot. It's already got people questioning the stability of the company and if you're a new reader that might give you second thought on picking up anything new. Why start investing all this money into comics from a company that may not even make it?

I am really curious why no further announcements have been made as to why the book isn't released yet.

sanman · Post by **sanman** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:46 pm

sanman wrote:I can really relate—I’m 33. Coincidentally I too was picking up most of my comics at convenience stores during the 80’s. And like you I was trying to keep up with Detective but with the Mud Pack run I missed 606—go figure.

That’s just weird, my comment posted in the right thread too

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:09 pm

etos45 wrote:The reason I don't think it hurts them too much now is that the heavy fans are are the only ones really missing this book right now. The new fan that it's designed to pick up will probably only notice it sitting on the stands after the release. So, they won't even know it was late.

it seems the predominant consensus is that, for the most part, you don't see this book on the stands. Most places are only taking direct orders from people who ask for them. Even then, if there is the odd shop that is ordering multiple copies to take up shelf space...I would be quite interested to know just how well advertised and just how visible these books are to most collectors.

For the pricetag, in this economic environment very few people are going to drop that kind of money on something without already having the suggestion in mind.

and only seven more posts until I get to join that illustrious 1K group and finally get my very own customized...oh...1K isn't alot at this board?

and I already have...ummm, never mind.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:36 pm

caxiotis wrote:I know, I know, I know what is going on. I know what is going on and I am not going to tell.................................................
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.....................................................................the reason for the delay is that the soilent green is at it again. Messing up the books.

I have a secret and I'm beautiful... I have a secret and I'm beautiful... I have a secret and I am beautiful...

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:34 am

Zaphod wrote: it seems the predominant consensus is that, for the most part, you don't see this book on the stands. Most places are only taking direct orders from people who ask for them. Even then, if there is the odd shop that is ordering multiple copies to take up shelf space...I would be quite interested to know just how well advertised and just visible these books are to most collectors.

I can't speak for everywhere, but here the X-O HC was seen on the shelves of my LCS and in pretty good view. The copies he had sold, and pretty quickly. But I understand that's not the norm.

Zero · Post by **Zero** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:25 am

etos45 wrote:
Zaphod wrote: it seems the predominant consensus is that, for the most part, you don't see this book on the stands. Most places are only taking direct orders from people who ask for them. Even then, if there is the odd shop that is ordering multiple copies to take up shelf space...I would be quite interested to know just how well advertised and just visible these books are to most collectors.
I can't speak for everywhere, but here the X-O HC was seen on the shelves of my LCS and in pretty good view. The copies he had sold, and pretty quickly. But I understand that's not the norm.

My LCS told me he did well with them as well. He ordered a few extras because I ordered 3 for myself. He sold them pretty fast.

myron · Post by **myron** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:16 am

Zero wrote:
etos45 wrote:
Zaphod wrote: it seems the predominant consensus is that, for the most part, you don't see this book on the stands. Most places are only taking direct orders from people who ask for them. Even then, if there is the odd shop that is ordering multiple copies to take up shelf space...I would be quite interested to know just how well advertised and just visible these books are to most collectors.
I can't speak for everywhere, but here the X-O HC was seen on the shelves of my LCS and in pretty good view. The copies he had sold, and pretty quickly. But I understand that's not the norm.
My LCS told me he did well with them as well. He ordered a few extras because I ordered 3 for myself. He sold them pretty fast.

stopped at a newer CS about a half hour from my place yesterday and asked about the A&A HC...the owner told me that he ordered and sold multiple copies of the others and has a least 6 A&A ordered...he also made the comment..."that's gonna be a good seller"...

told him to add my name to his list for one...

JustCallMeAric · Post by **JustCallMeAric** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:29 am

The stores around me sold out of the XO HC pretty fast

VEI Reborn · Post by **VEI Reborn** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:38 am

I ordered 5 A&A from my local shop and because of that, he said he ordered a bunch. He said he had only planned on ordering 1 at the time

daydreamscomics · Post by **daydreamscomics** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:18 pm

UPDATE!

not on my 11/5 diamond invoice

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:21 pm

VEI Reborn · Post by **VEI Reborn** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:33 pm

daydreamscomics wrote:UPDATE!

not on my 11/5 diamond invoice

Maybe for Xmas than

hulk181man · Post by **hulk181man** » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:28 pm

Bummer

...I hope there're other developments/good news in the works, hate to think things are over already....

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:02 am

daydreamscomics wrote:UPDATE!

not on my 11/5 diamond invoice

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 6:09 am

daydreamscomics wrote:UPDATE!

not on my 11/5 diamond invoice

COME ON DINO! WE NEED AN UPDATE ON THIS!

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:46 am

after having every indication that it would be ok to print the story, Random House and Classic Media turned us down.

I pulled this from the VCS site. This applies to the U2K project that they are doing.

Could this be the reason for the A&A delay?

dellamorte · Post by **dellamorte** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:45 am

jedimarley wrote:
after having every indication that it would be ok to print the story, Random House and Classic Media turned us down.
I pulled this from the VCS site. This applies to the U2K project that they are doing.

Could this be the reason for the A&A delay?

I don't think so. My understanding with the Unity 2000 stuff is that they needed permission because those books had not been printed before. From what I understand VEI has full reprint rights to all the printed VALIANT/Acclaim books.

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:10 pm

dellamorte wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
after having every indication that it would be ok to print the story, Random House and Classic Media turned us down.
I pulled this from the VCS site. This applies to the U2K project that they are doing.

Could this be the reason for the A&A delay?
I don't think so. My understanding with the Unity 2000 stuff is that they needed permission because those books had not been printed before. From what I understand VEI has full reprint rights to all the printed VALIANT/Acclaim books.

Yeah. But that didn't stop VIP from trying to f@ck things up for VEI.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:54 pm

jedimarley wrote:
dellamorte wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
after having every indication that it would be ok to print the story, Random House and Classic Media turned us down.
I pulled this from the VCS site. This applies to the U2K project that they are doing.

Could this be the reason for the A&A delay?
I don't think so. My understanding with the Unity 2000 stuff is that they needed permission because those books had not been printed before. From what I understand VEI has full reprint rights to all the printed VALIANT/Acclaim books.
Yeah. But that didn't stop VIP from trying to f@ck things up for VEI.

Wouldn't they have done that sooner with the Solar appearances in X-O?

jedimarley · Post by **jedimarley** » Mon Nov 03, 2008 8:05 pm

etos45 wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
dellamorte wrote:
jedimarley wrote:
after having every indication that it would be ok to print the story, Random House and Classic Media turned us down.
I pulled this from the VCS site. This applies to the U2K project that they are doing.

Could this be the reason for the A&A delay?
I don't think so. My understanding with the Unity 2000 stuff is that they needed permission because those books had not been printed before. From what I understand VEI has full reprint rights to all the printed VALIANT/Acclaim books.
Yeah. But that didn't stop VIP from trying to f@ck things up for VEI.
Wouldn't they have done that sooner with the Solar appearances in X-O?