Shooter's roots

BodaZoffa · Post by **BodaZoffa** » Fri Feb 06, 2004 8:14 pm

I've been reading some old Miracleman comics lately, & I counld'nt help but notice that Shooter's writing style seems to have been influenced by Allan Moore's style. Shooter took it to a different level, but the "voice" he uses in his writting is a lot like issues #12-#16 in Miracleman.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Moore was a big influence on Shooter.

Boda

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Mon Feb 09, 2004 12:30 am

BodaZoffa wrote:Shooter's roots

Just for Men works wonders Jim, give it a try!

mrwoogieman · Post by **mrwoogieman** » Fri Feb 13, 2004 8:32 pm

BodaZoffa wrote:I've been reading some old Miracleman comics lately, & I counld'nt help but notice that Shooter's writing style seems to have been influenced by Allan Moore's style. Shooter took it to a different level, but the "voice" he uses in his writting is a lot like issues #12-#16 in Miracleman.

Maybe it's just me, but I think Moore was a big influence on Shooter.

Boda

I have to disagree on that one. Shooter's been writing comics since the sixties, long before Moore. You're suggesting an old dog can learn new tricks...

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:32 am

it's fun to look at the books that he was involved with at marvel as eic and to see the things that were going on. i found dp7 in the 1/4 bins and found that it was just like reading early harbinger.

starbrand was kinda like solar-in that this guy has huge amounts of power but his life is really messed up and he doesn't know how to fix it.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:31 pm

anyone else have thoughts on this?

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:00 pm

I don't know enough about Miracleman to voice any kind of opinion on that.

But Marvel's New Universe was most definitely Shooter's dry run for VALIANT.

I think Shooter has proven to be at his best when he is putting together a fresh universe - which is why either Dark Horse or VEI or both would benefit them in getting those universes off the ground.

I'm not very familiar with early Legion either, but maybe someone who is could also shed some light on how his storytelling has evolved over the years.

geocarr · Post by **geocarr** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:21 pm

I'm not well read enough in Shooter's work outside Valiant to have an opinion, but I would like to pick up his work on Marvel's New Universe based on the positive feedback from other board members!

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 6:36 pm

i was shocked when i read dp 7 number 1. i thought it was harbinger. not many people seemed to agree with me, but i still stand by that position...and starbrand seemed to become aric-in SOME respects.

the good news is-you can get them cheap!

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:21 pm

dave wrote:i was shocked when i read dp 7 number 1. i thought it was harbinger. not many people seemed to agree with me, but i still stand by that position...and starbrand seemed to become aric-in SOME respects.

the good news is-you can get them cheap!

Star Brand is more like Solar, although instead of a smart guy like Phil Seleski getting all that power, we get a guy of basically average intelligence, but with an enormous ego and a pretty selfish attitude. Almost like a "slacker".

The DP7 and Harbinger comparison is pretty dead on, even if several of the DP7 crew are older than the teenagers in Harbinger.

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:40 pm

Brother J wrote:
Star Brand is more like Solar, although instead of a smart guy like Phil Seleski getting all that power, we get a guy of basically average intelligence, but with an enormous ego and a pretty selfish attitude. Almost like a "slacker".

i can see that. my opinion was more of a visual lone than character based.

two tall blond muscular guys

dave · Post by **dave** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:40 pm

dang it!

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:17 pm

dave wrote:dang it!

Dude - the far right corner of every post is the 'quote' button. You cannot go wrong!

-slym

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:06 pm

dave wrote:it's fun to look at the books that he was involved with at marvel as eic and to see the things that were going on. i found dp7 in the 1/4 bins and found that it was just like reading early harbinger.

starbrand was kinda like solar-in that this guy has huge amounts of power but his life is really messed up and he doesn't know how to fix it.

I have ran across DP7 books in the cheap bins, but have never pulled the trigger. Someday I will have to.

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Fri Oct 17, 2008 10:14 pm

slym2none wrote:
dave wrote:dang it!
Dude - the far right corner of every post is the 'quote' button. You cannot go wrong!

-slym

I think he's just doing it on purpose now.....

magnusr · Post by **magnusr** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 3:30 am

Geomancer wrote:I'm not very familiar with early Legion either, but maybe someone who is could also shed some light on how his storytelling has evolved over the years.

No expert, but when I read Valiant I did get reminded of some traits that I had enjoyed in Legion stories when I was young. Of course I later learned that those Legion stories I remembered fondly were written by Shooter.

/Magnus

Geomancer · Post by **Geomancer** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:49 am

Thanks Magnus.

I've got to get around to those early Legion stories someday.

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 11:30 am

Daniel Jackson wrote:
slym2none wrote:
dave wrote:dang it!
Dude - the far right corner of every post is the 'quote' button. You cannot go wrong!

-slym
I think he's just doing it on purpose now.....

he's not

it messes me up when i try to quote only a portion of a quote...

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Sat Oct 18, 2008 4:44 pm

Star Brand can hook you up with a New Universe comics and knowledge.

In a lot of ways New Universe was a rough draft of Valiant.

Star Brand=Solar
DP7=Harbinger
Spitfire=X-O Manowar

In fact an issue of DP7 (it might have been PSI-Force) that had on the cover "The Death of Shadowman!"

Zaphod · Post by **Zaphod** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:29 am

Psi Force + DP7 = Harbinger and The Good Guys(Defiant) with a dab of Warriors of Plasm.

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:03 am

i haven't read spitfire yet.

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