Bloodshot 0 Platinum question...

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

The story about the Bloodshot 0 platinum back in the day was that it was a prototype run to prove the process for creating an all-foil cover since Bloodshot 0 was the first all-foil cover. That explanation supposedly came from Valiant.

Bloodshot 0 was not the first all-foil chromium cover. X-O Manowar #0 was:


August, 1993.


March, 1994

[Zero]

(Sorry to post, but this misinformation was a bit too egregious for my comfort. Nothing personal.)

Why are you sorry to post? I agree with what you typed.

[Zero]

The story about the Bloodshot 0 platinum back in the day was that it was a prototype run to prove the process for creating an all-foil cover since Bloodshot 0 was the first all-foil cover. That explanation supposedly came from Valiant.

I've heard that said by others here a couple times, but it has never been linked (to my knowledge) to an actual Valiant employee. I believe that those comments were attributed to a former poster here that has been proven most unreliable. It would be great to hear that this were true if this came from an actual Valiant employee, but it has not been shown thus far.

Open your Bloodshot 0s. Look at the names in the creator box. Ask them about a Bloodshot 0 platinum. They will not have a clue. I already asked them. I started with Kevin Van Hook. Don't you think he'd know about a platinum issue of this book if it were made?

I'd love to be wrong about this, but it really doesn't look like I am...

[Zero]

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

So, your X-O 0 gold has a cover price, the X-O Manowar logo in gold, & a yellow box?

If so, please show a scan. If not, then you compare apples to oranges.

Like I said, it's not the pink box that implies intention. It's the gold Bloodshot logo with a cover price that implies it. Those 2 things simply do not go together.

[worldsbestcomics]

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

So, your X-O 0 gold has a cover price, the X-O Manowar logo in gold, & a yellow box?

If so, please show a scan. If not, then you compare apples to oranges.

Like I said, it's not the pink box that implies intention. It's the gold Bloodshot logo with a cover price that implies it. Those 2 things simply do not go together.

My X-O is currently at CGC. I will post a scan when it comes back and then we will have more info for this discussion. i don't have a scan. But, yes. I believe it has a gold logo, cover price and yellow box.

Sorry about getting the dates wrong on the X-O gold and Bloodshot gold. That is what happens when you post from memory.

Let me restate the very first thing I said in my post, ZWH (and you Zero) have both made some very reasonable arguments as to why you believe the Bloodshot Pink was intentionally produced. IMHO, there are reasonable arguments for believing it was a production error.

[Zero]

Sorry about getting the dates wrong on the X-O gold and Bloodshot gold. That is what happens when you post from memory.

No worries. It happens to all of us from time to time.

Let me restate the very first thing I said in my post, ZWH (and you Zero) have both made some very reasonable arguments as to why you believe the Bloodshot Pink was intentionally produced. IMHO, there are reasonable arguments for believing it was a production error.

True. Either way, these books are great conversation pieces. I'm not looking to sell (in my lifetime), so it doesn't matter to me whether they are errors or intentional. It's just a fun debate for me.

Good luck with your X-O 0! I'm very interested in seeing it once it comes back.

[JustCallMeAric]

I think it stands to reason that its possible there are platinum examples of any gold chromium book Valiant ever made. I just hope I find them first.

[worldsbestcomics]

True. Either way, these books are great conversation pieces. I'm not looking to sell (in my lifetime), so it doesn't matter to me whether they are errors or intentional. It's just a fun debate for me.

I agree. It is fun. I love collecting these types of comics - Venom Black, Spidey 375 white, Wolverine 145 bone claws, and Ghost Surfer are some of my favorites along with Bloodshot Platinum.

In your research, did you ever learn what printing company Valiant used to have the chrome covers produced? I believe the answer, if we ever learn it, will come from someone who knows the details of the production process: How were chrome sheets printed and cut? How was gold foil applied to gold variants? Did they use the same base cover stock for the gold variants or were they a separate print run? What was the quality control process for catching printing errors before they were released? Did errors occur in the coloring process or the process to apply the gold foil? And if so, what was done with the misprinted covers?

[worldsbestcomics]

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

So, your X-O 0 gold has a cover price, the X-O Manowar logo in gold, & a yellow box?

If so, please show a scan. If not, then you compare apples to oranges.

Like I said, it's not the pink box that implies intention. It's the gold Bloodshot logo with a cover price that implies it. Those 2 things simply do not go together.

My X-O is currently at CGC. I will post a scan when it comes back and then we will have more info for this discussion. I don't have a scan. But, yes. I believe it has a gold logo, cover price and yellow box.

I heard back from CGC about this book today. It is not a printing error or a variant. It is a regular edition that has been subjected to extraordinary heat which turned the price box yellow and added a gold tint to the regular silver foil logo.

So basically the book itself is garbage. But, it does add some information to our theories about how some of these printing errors/variants can be created. Obviously, heat had nothing to do with the creation of the Bloodshot gold.

[Zero]

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

So, your X-O 0 gold has a cover price, the X-O Manowar logo in gold, & a yellow box?

If so, please show a scan. If not, then you compare apples to oranges.

Like I said, it's not the pink box that implies intention. It's the gold Bloodshot logo with a cover price that implies it. Those 2 things simply do not go together.

My X-O is currently at CGC. I will post a scan when it comes back and then we will have more info for this discussion. I don't have a scan. But, yes. I believe it has a gold logo, cover price and yellow box.

I heard back from CGC about this book today. It is not a printing error or a variant. It is a regular edition that has been subjected to extraordinary heat which turned the price box yellow and added a gold tint to the regular silver foil logo.

So basically the book itself is garbage. But, it does add some information to our theories about how some of these printing errors/variants can be created. Obviously, heat had nothing to do with the creation of the Bloodshot gold.

Sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to the scan...

[worldsbestcomics]

I think the Bloodshot pink was an error. I have a nearly-identical copy of X-O 0 gold where the gold price box is yellow instead of pink like the Bloodshot 0. I wouldn't call my X-O 0 gold variant proof for my point of view on the Bloodshot 0 gold variant but after examining the X-O 0 in person, I think it was the result of a manufacturing defect.

So, your X-O 0 gold has a cover price, the X-O Manowar logo in gold, & a yellow box?

If so, please show a scan. If not, then you compare apples to oranges.

Like I said, it's not the pink box that implies intention. It's the gold Bloodshot logo with a cover price that implies it. Those 2 things simply do not go together.

My X-O is currently at CGC. I will post a scan when it comes back and then we will have more info for this discussion. I don't have a scan. But, yes. I believe it has a gold logo, cover price and yellow box.

I heard back from CGC about this book today. It is not a printing error or a variant. It is a regular edition that has been subjected to extraordinary heat which turned the price box yellow and added a gold tint to the regular silver foil logo.

So basically the book itself is garbage. But, it does add some information to our theories about how some of these printing errors/variants can be created. Obviously, heat had nothing to do with the creation of the Bloodshot gold.

Sorry to hear that. I was looking forward to the scan...

I'll still post it when it comes back.

[geocarr]

Hey worldsbestcomics, can you post that scan of your X-O #0 that you thought was a variant? I would still like to see it.