Archer & Armstrong HC thoughts....

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:46 pm

I wanted to post this here since not everyone checks the 'Announcement' forum every day.

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I think it's a great choice because Archer & Armstrong was a truly unique series that was way ahead of it's time. The new team of Shooter, Velluto and Almond would be awesome for a new ongoing!!

Michael Golden cover...

The Unity issues would have been hard to leave out... but they might be confusing for new readers. Then again the Unity chapters were designed to be enjoyable as standalone stories too...

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:53 pm

A&A is one of my fav. reads ever.

Classic. The best.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:00 am

IMHO, I think they could leave the Unity issues out and it would be fine for the HC, but since I know the stories well, it wouldn't hurt to leave them in...

It will be interesting to find out if #'s 1 & 2 will be included in the HC..... dino? Any help here???

-slym

*SQUEE* · Post by ***SQUEE*** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:25 am

A&A was awesome... when BWS was involved.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:29 am

*SQUEE* wrote:A&A was awesome... when BWS was involved.

The end of A&A was pretty bad. Not Hard Corps bad, but pretty bad.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:38 am

Great stuff.

etos45 · Post by **etos45** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:03 am

slym2none wrote:IMHO, I think they could leave the Unity issues out and it would be fine for the HC, but since I know the stories well, it wouldn't hurt to leave them in...

It will be interesting to find out if #'s 1 & 2 will be included in the HC..... dino? Any help here???

-slym

It says it covers issues 0-6 so I assume they're in there.

I'll be honest, this is a REALLY unexpected choice for the next HC. I don't know that I fully understand the logic of them choosing this book to be next when there were a lot more obvious choices to use.

That being said, I'm not disappointed, as I loved the A&A series.

Anyone else excited to see another Shooter story? I think that could mean real good things for Valiant if they managed to get him not once, but twice now.

myron · Post by **myron** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:19 am

slym2none wrote:IMHO, I think they could leave the Unity issues out and it would be fine for the HC, but since I know the stories well, it wouldn't hurt to leave them in...

It will be interesting to find out if #'s 1 & 2 will be included in the HC..... dino? Any help here???

-slym

..was on that thought train also...

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:07 am

etos45 wrote:
slym2none wrote:IMHO, I think they could leave the Unity issues out and it would be fine for the HC, but since I know the stories well, it wouldn't hurt to leave them in...

It will be interesting to find out if #'s 1 & 2 will be included in the HC..... dino? Any help here???

-slym
It says it covers issues 0-6 so I assume they're in there.

I'll be honest, this is a REALLY unexpected choice for the next HC. I don't know that I fully understand the logic of them choosing this book to be next when there were a lot more obvious choices to use.

That being said, I'm not disappointed, as I loved the A&A series.

Anyone else excited to see another Shooter story? I think that could mean real good things for Valiant if they managed to get him not once, but twice now.

I said this in the announcement thread, and I think this is a wise choice for VEI. My experience is that folks that remember Valiant from back in the day remember Archer & Armstrong rather fondly. I have heard more people say they would buy an Archer & Armstrong hardcover than any other series. Granted, this is not from a HUGE sample size, but it is still my experience amongst casual fans.

Unblessed · Post by **Unblessed** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:49 am

The "re-mastered coloring" on the Harbinger HC really turned me off to these products. Felt like I was looking at a Devil's Due Press or other current book not a Valiant book.

dbm · Post by **dbm** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:53 am

etos45 wrote: I'll be honest, this is a REALLY unexpected choice for the next HC. I don't know that I fully understand the logic of them choosing this book to be next when there were a lot more obvious choices to use.

That being said, I'm not disappointed, as I loved the A&A series.

Anyone else excited to see another Shooter story? I think that could mean real good things for Valiant if they managed to get him not once, but twice now.

This is actually the HC I've been waiting for. I loved early A&A. As for mass appeal, it *is* BWS, which should be a big selling point. I can't wait.

UnknownTales · Post by **UnknownTales** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:27 am

BWS made this book!

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:33 am

dbm wrote:
etos45 wrote: I'll be honest, this is a REALLY unexpected choice for the next HC. I don't know that I fully understand the logic of them choosing this book to be next when there were a lot more obvious choices to use.

That being said, I'm not disappointed, as I loved the A&A series.

Anyone else excited to see another Shooter story? I think that could mean real good things for Valiant if they managed to get him not once, but twice now.
This is actually the HC I've been waiting for. I loved early A&A. As for mass appeal, it *is* BWS, which should be a big selling point. I can't wait.

By the way, welcome to the bored!

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:57 am

UnknownTales wrote:BWS made this book!

Absolutely.

Lightning Strike · Post by **Lightning Strike** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:12 pm

I like that Velluto and Almond are doing the new story

Daniel Jackson · Post by **Daniel Jackson** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:18 pm

Unblessed wrote:The "re-mastered coloring" on the Harbinger HC really turned me off to these products. Felt like I was looking at a Devil's Due Press or other current book not a Valiant book.

I like the new coloring process, sure there were a few pages that didn't measure up, but overall I think they've done a good job with the HC's.

slym2none · Post by **slym2none** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:29 pm

Unblessed wrote:The "re-mastered coloring" on the Harbinger HC really turned me off to these products. Felt like I was looking at a Devil's Due Press or other current book not a Valiant book.

I won't say that the colouring "turned me off," but these new colours just can't hold a candle to the originals...

-slym (props to JJ and Doctor Marten)

Squirrel · Post by **Squirrel** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:51 pm

UnknownTales wrote:BWS made this book!

no...Valiant made it...noobs

silver-shot · Post by **silver-shot** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:57 pm

I never read the early A&A. I almost have and read nearly every Valiant book under the sun but could never get into that series. I will pick up the HC. Just never really sure why it didn't appeal to me.

Fatal Rose · Post by **Fatal Rose** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:35 pm

I was reading some A&A recently, truly beautiful stuff.

superman-prime · Post by **superman-prime** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:00 pm

A&a rocks still cant wait for rai

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:13 pm

I just re-read Archer & Armstrong #0.

Mahmud tells Archer that the Sect has been hunting Armstrong for 2,569 years.

Ok, so 1992 minus 2,569 is 577 B.C. (there was no year zero, so it's actually 578 B.C.)

I wonder if that will come into play in the new Jim Shooter story?

Any of these ideas on the horizon...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/570_BC

ManofTheAtom · Post by **ManofTheAtom** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:22 pm

greg wrote:I just re-read Archer & Armstrong #0.

Mahmud tells Archer that the Sect has been hunting Armstrong for 2,569 years.

Ok, so 1992 minus 2,569 is 577 B.C. (there was no year zero, so it's actually 578 B.C.)

I wonder if that will come into play in the new Jim Shooter story?

Any of these ideas on the horizon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/570_BC

Aram said that they've been angry with him because he didn't invite them to his 5,000th bday party, right?

He was born on 3266 BC, so he turned 5000 on (-3266 + 5000 =) 1734 AD (1733 or 35 because of the lack of a year zero? Is it one up or one down? I can never tell).

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:22 pm

With regard to the appearances of Magnus, Solar, and Turok in #1 and #2,
I would assume there are going to be approximately 200 pages in the hardcover,
with an average of 4 or 5 panels per page.

That's 800 to 1,000 panels of art.

Magnus, Solar, and Turok appear in 28 total panels.

28 out of 800 does not constitute a significant amount of the book... about 3%-4%.

I seriously doubt if VEI would need any special permissions or
any other contracts in order to reprint Archer & Armstrong #0-#6.

greg · Post by **greg** » Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:23 pm

ManofTheAtom wrote:
greg wrote:I just re-read Archer & Armstrong #0.

Mahmud tells Archer that the Sect has been hunting Armstrong for 2,569 years.

Ok, so 1992 minus 2,569 is 577 B.C. (there was no year zero, so it's actually 578 B.C.)

I wonder if that will come into play in the new Jim Shooter story?

Any of these ideas on the horizon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/570_BC
Aram said that they've been angry with him because he didn't invite them to his 5,000th bday party, right?

He was born on 3266 BC, so he turned 5000 on (-3266 + 5000 =) 1734 AD (1733 or 35 because of the lack of a year zero? Is it one up or one down? I can never tell).

Aram was probably joking. Mahmud would be more likely to
be telling the truth with the 2,569 year comment.

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