Turok Gold Question - 2 versions?

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:50 pm

When I was getting some books out today to sell on Ebay I noticed something about my Turok Golds.

One has a regular chrome Turok and the other has a Goldish chrome Turok.

They are very different. Has anyone else come across this?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:55 pm

I'm not sure what abd's are but I didn't notice any differance between my regular issue turok and the gold version.

lobo · Post by **lobo** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 9:24 pm

I'm looking at three golds and one regular version. The regular version, where the title is red and the chrome picture has red and redish bits and the golds will have a gold title and the red parts are substituted gold.
Are you saying that you have a gold book with a normal red highlighted chrome pic like from the normal book?

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:07 pm

I took a pic if someone can post it I will email it to them.

greg · Post by **greg** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:24 pm

x-omatic wrote:I took a pic if someone can post it I will email it to them.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 10:27 pm

Thanks Greg

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:16 pm

I was a litte confused at first, because I thought you were talking about the logo of the book, and I didn't see any difference. However, when I looked through my Turok Golds, I noticed exactly what you're talking about (I think). Most of the Golds I have, the actual picture of Turok is more yellow-ish (or gold-ish) than the regular edition of Turok #1. However, I do have two gold editions where the picture of Turok is not yellow-ish but is basically the same as the regular edition. I wonder if this is more of that fading we've talked about with the chromium covers or if it's a printing defect.

dbest4u · Post by **dbest4u** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:15 am

I still cant see the differences, even with the scan, I checked my books and all are the same..

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 12:47 am

dbest4u wrote:I still cant see the differences, even with the scan, I checked my books and all are the same..

You can't see the difference in the color of Turok in chrome?

All of my regular Turoks are like the one on the right.
I have 4 Golds. 2 of each pictured.
I have 4 VVSS with Turok like the one on the left.

If it were fading of any sort the rest of the book would be affected in some way, but it isn't

dave · Post by **dave** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 4:05 pm

i just got a turok gold, and it is like the first one pictured. i couldn't believe how nice it looked. i thought it looked way better than any gold i'd ever seen, and i was kinda wondering if the others that i had seen were just like this, only that i had never noticed. now i think i know the answer.

i guess you have to have 1 of each for 100% right?
x-o matic will trade his "ultra rare" non gold golds for ew 27 vvss!!!!

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:15 pm

dave wrote:i just got a turok gold, and it is like the first one pictured. i couldn't believe how nice it looked. i thought it looked way better than any gold i'd ever seen, and i was kinda wondering if the others that i had seen were just like this, only that i had never noticed. now i think i know the answer.

i guess you have to have 1 of each for 100% right?
x-o matic will trade his "ultra rare" non gold golds for ew 27 vvss!!!!

I am just trying to see if it is some type of variantion of the Turok Gold. After all there were 1.7 million Turoks printed. It is possible they printed more than 5,000 Turok Golds. It does come up on Ebay more often than any other Gold.

Also all 4 of my Turok VVSS books has the "Gold" type Turok like the one on the left. And all of my regular Turok books are like the one on the right. The only version I have were there is a mix is the Turok Gold.

Maybe they printed 5000 of each Turok gold version. Maybe it is a just a production issue. Unless people look at the books they have we might not ever know.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Mon Mar 15, 2004 10:05 pm

No one cares to comment about this?

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 12:31 am

x-omatic wrote:No one cares to comment about this?

If their is a differance, it's so small that it seems only slightly interesting to note but not worthy of collecting.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:01 am

whetteon wrote:
x-omatic wrote:No one cares to comment about this?
If their is a differance, it's so small that it seems only slightly interesting to note but not worthy of collecting.

If you had them next to each other you can really notice the difference. I just want to know if it might be a Gold variant or just that some of the Turok chromes were produced differently by mistake.

whetteon · Post by **whetteon** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 1:56 am

The ultimate answer to this puzzle is finding out if the color variation was done on purpose by the valiant team when the comic first came out. If they knew there was something unique about a handful of the Turok golds then I would vote a hardy "yes" to adding extra information to Greg's website. I mean, we have extra information for only 25 mistake printed Bloodshot's #0, why not 1,000 copies of Turok gold? Do we know anyone who could verify this?

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:04 pm

i agree that it should be looked into-and i was just joshing you chris!
what i can't believe is that so many of you are saying it's a minor difference. it's not. i mean it is VERY noticeable.

when i first saw my book, i was like wow. and for me-wow, is pretty huge. seriously. look at the pix again and move them back and forth the difference is practically day and night.

if you pulled out either book and showed it to either chris or i, i am sure we could distinguish the two-why aren't you getting it?

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 6:19 pm

dave wrote:i agree that it should be looked into-and i was just joshing you chris!
what i can't believe is that so many of you are saying it's a minor difference. it's not. i mean it is VERY noticeable.

when i first saw my book, i was like wow. and for me-wow, is pretty huge. seriously. look at the pix again and move them back and forth the difference is practically day and night.

if you pulled out either book and showed it to either chris or i, i am sure we could distinguish the two-why aren't you getting it?

Thank you. At least now I know I am not crazy.

dave · Post by **dave** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 7:23 pm

now, i wouldn't go THAT far...you're really reading b/w the lines!!!

johnpaulbill · Post by **johnpaulbill** » Tue Mar 16, 2004 9:36 pm

It's good to know that I was not the only one who noticed the difference in the Turok books. I, too was wondering just why there was such a difference in the color of the Turok books. So, I must agree, that you are not crazy!

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 7:23 pm

Ok, I've just examined my own copies of Turok #1 and Turok #1 Gold.
Let's just say I have "more than a few" of each.

I have found all variations on both books.

In other words, I have...
Turok #1 red foil (regular) with red colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 red foil (regular) with gold colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 gold foil variant with gold colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 gold foil variant with red colors in the chromium.
...and I have several copies that have "some red, some gold" in the chromium.
(They look "slightly faded" as opposed to "really faded" gold, or "really bright" red)

So, here's what I think...
Because we know there are 1,750,000 copies of Turok #1...
I think that the process used to make the "chromium card" for the center
of the cover was not "perfected" to the point that all of the 1million+ cards
are identical. So at some point in the process, the red ink started to run out,
and the result is chromium cards that look gold/faded compared to bright red ones.

These cards were applied (glued) the cover of Turok #1 and Turok #1 Gold,
and I'm not sure there's any rhyme or reason to which cards went with
which Turok #1 version... so it's probably just a case of "quality control"
being less than 100% during the production of 1Million+ chromium cards.

... but I'm willing to be corrected if someone has more evidence.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:39 pm

greg wrote:Ok, I've just examined my own copies of Turok #1 and Turok #1 Gold.
Let's just say I have "more than a few" of each.

I have found all variations on both books.

In other words, I have...
Turok #1 red foil (regular) with red colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 red foil (regular) with gold colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 gold foil variant with gold colors in the chromium.
Turok #1 gold foil variant with red colors in the chromium.
...and I have several copies that have "some red, some gold" in the chromium.
(They look "slightly faded" as opposed to "really faded" gold, or "really bright" red)

So, here's what I think...
Because we know there are 1,750,000 copies of Turok #1...
I think that the process used to make the "chromium card" for the center
of the cover was not "perfected" to the point that all of the 1million+ cards
are identical. So at some point in the process, the red ink started to run out,
and the result is chromium cards that look gold/faded compared to bright red ones.

These cards were applied (glued) the cover of Turok #1 and Turok #1 Gold,
and I'm not sure there's any rhyme or reason to which cards went with
which Turok #1 version... so it's probably just a case of "quality control"
being less than 100% during the production of 1Million+ chromium cards.

... but I'm willing to be corrected if someone has more evidence.

Did you check any of your Turok VVSS issues?

greg · Post by **greg** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:52 pm

Yep... Turok 1 VVSS...
another group of "somewhere in between" chromium cards.
I'd call them "slightly goldish-looking".

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Thu Mar 18, 2004 8:57 pm

greg wrote:Yep... Turok 1 VVSS...
another group of "somewhere in between" chromium cards.
I'd call them "slightly goldish-looking".

So you think it was more of a production issue? I guess when making 1 1/2 million they proably had more than one machine make the chrome turoks for the books. Still, it does have a goldish tone. It also does seem to be laking the red in it. Maybe the colors were layered in a different order.