Defiant Comics Question to my Valiant buds!!!

riptide_soccer · Post by **riptide_soccer** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 9:52 pm

OK, OK...I know that I'm probably going to get creamed for this post, but anyway since Valiant and Defiant were tied so closely together (Shooter, Lapham, scalding editorials, backbiting from both companies, etc.), is there a market for the Defiant books??? Does anyone know how many were printed??? Did Shooter ever complete the Schism storyline in Defiant (much like the Unity crossover). I picked up about 50 different Defiant books (cheap!) recently, and it turns out that some of the stories weren't half bad. Don't get me wrong....I'm Valiant all the way through, but it's fun to find out about something that I have no idea about. Please, please, please don't run me off the Valiant site....

valiantdude · Post by **valiantdude** » Fri Mar 05, 2004 11:56 pm

To answer some of your questions..
No, the schism books didn't come out

, but a couple of the final issues of defiant were part of the schism x-over and if you read them you kinda get a understanding on what would've happened and I think they intended it that way. I collected Defiant as they were released and I think I am only missing one or two books. Yes there were actually some great stories, but towards the end continuity started to falter. I highly recommend warriors of plasm 0-4. They are classic books by the Shooter/Lapham team. Actually the only book which flat out sucked was 'Prudence & Caution' by one of the 'names' shooter hired Chris Claremont. It didnt mesh with any of the other books, and it was completely out of continuity and character. Most of the Defiant books have the feel of pre-unity valiants. And the WoP books ave the best Lapham superhero art (at least the first six).
There are a lot of ideas that were seeded in Valiant books, totally dropped after Shooter left, and then used again in the Defiant books. The Defiant books were heavy on meta-physics. In the Valiant Solar books, we learn that the nuclear reactor Phil Seleski built, was not in fact a reactor but a "wish-machine" that he sub-conciously built to turn himself into Solar his childhood hero. He, in a sense, manifested his own power into reality. This idea was further explored in Defiant's 'Good Guys' when one of the children actually believes when some special box opens it would grant him and his friends powers(or something like that), and when the box is opened, even though there is nothing in the box, he believed so fully that all the people around him got powers(or something like that). The gist of it is that the boy 'manifested' the powers into reality, because he thought thats what would happen. In the Defiant book "Dark Dominion" the meta-physical is again explored. When the main character, who is writng meta-physical books about letting go of fear, actually succeeds in letting go of his own fears fully, he trancends his dimension and enters a dimension that is just outside our own called the sub-stratum. He encounters beings who live on this plane, and negativly effect normal reality. Great concepts that i think would have been explored in the Valiant universe had Shooter stayed. So you can see that connection between the two universes in that respect. The idea of bringing your superpowers into your reality through the power of belief, or the sub-concious mind.
As far as print runs the only one I know for sure is WoP#1 which had a print run of 120,000. No other Defiant book had a print run that high and I imagine that the final issues are somewhere in the 10-20,000 range

R Daneel · Post by **R Daneel** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 12:31 am

I've got a stack of 40-50 issues, no doubles. I read them all as they came out I think; I liked Charlemagne, WarDancer and Darm Dominion the best I think. It seems like every title, save WoP, was a similar concept to a Valiant book.

RyanMcLelland · Post by **RyanMcLelland** » Sat Mar 06, 2004 11:16 am

Broadway Comics did indeed rock and they read just as great today (especially Star Seed). Defiant was a great universe and if you can sit down and read Warriors of Plasm...each issue starting with #0...you can begin to see the genius. I found it hard to get into the entire concept at first...but if you get past the initial 'goo', it really is a great story. As the others stated, there were some other great Defiant books to boot.

Defiant...Broadway...check em out...
http://www.forgottenuniverses.com

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Wed May 14, 2008 4:29 pm

Bump...

Yeah I know... this thread is over years old, but I miss my buddy ol riptide_soccer. For personal reasons, he got out of comics (but held onto an incredibly Mighty Marvel Collection).

If you are out there, Joe... you are missed.