Wanted Amethyst Princess of Gemworld #2 & #3--35 Ct vari

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:11 am

Been looking for years for the 35 cent #2 and #3 Amethyst Princess of Gemworld variants from a Kansas City convention from about 1983. Anyone ever see these?

Let me know if you have or can locate these variants. Preferbaly in Vf+ or better condition

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:23 pm

SOOPAH rare variants, I've been looking for years, also...shhh..don't give our secrets away!

Actually...I'm fairly certain it's #1 and #2, but I've never seen them, so I may be wrong.

Anyone got a copy <heh> they can scan for us?

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 5:56 am

Zeph------I only have a recollection from a 1989 Overstreet price guide. I am not 100% certain, but I almost swear it was #2 and #3 from 1983?
I could be wrong..............or Overstreet was wrong

I wouldn't be worried about a stampede of interest...........unless something generates interest in the character (very remote). I have never seen a copy of these variants

dzminn · Post by **dzminn** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:05 pm

I think you mean the 75 ct variants, but still...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2294942503

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:32 pm

I don't get it. Is this a freakin joke or actually worth over $12 a book?

Don't worry, I don't plan on hunting these issues down. I'm fine buying old issues of Betty and Veronica or Cheryl Blossom, but as a man I don't think I could bring myself to buy this one.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:47 am

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I think you mean the 75 ct variants, but still...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2294942503

Am I missing something here, I don't see any variants in this lot so why the sky high price?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:45 am

dzminn wrote:I think you mean the 75 ct variants, but still...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2294942503

Ahhhhhh...NEVER doubt the Master of Variants....it is, in fact, the 35 cent variants (not the '75 ct variants', which I would assume would be the Canadian books...if they exist), and, they are, in fact, #'s 1 and 2. Check your O-Streets from the late 80's, gents.

And I have no clue why these quarter books sold for $12.66 EACH. They are NOT RARE.

Stupid people with their stupid greedy 'I HAVE TO HAVE IT' mentality causing havoc in the marketplace.

Lord.

And you KNOW those are all shill bids. Well, at least until the high fool came along. Look at the history. I bet the high bidder's kicking him/herself, cause they probably only wanted to be GAURANTEED to win, and put in some absurd amount...not thinking idiots would drive it up.

Oops.

depluto · Post by **depluto** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:48 am

Man, ebay can be an awful place.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:11 pm

Makes you wonder about this auction.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6500656419

or this one.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6500610546

Hey the #1 in the auction above is different. It doesn't have the 60c on it. Is this the variant you are talking about?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 3:03 pm

No, it's there, it's just DC's then current version of Direct Market vs. Newstand. The directs had the little three star stripe in the middle of the price box. The price is at the top of the the box.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 4:37 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:No, it's there, it's just DC's then current version of Direct Market vs. Newstand. The directs had the little three star stripe in the middle of the price box. The price is at the top of the the box.

So one is a news stand version and one is a direct market version.

dzminn · Post by **dzminn** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 5:39 pm

Ahhhhhh...NEVER doubt the Master of Variants....it is, in fact, the 35 cent variants (not the '75 ct variants', which I would assume would be the Canadian books...if they exist), and, they are, in fact, #'s 1 and 2. Check your O-Streets from the late 80's, gents.

Hi Zeph, actually I was looking at the 2004 Overstreet, on page 387 under the listing for Amethyst it lists issues 1 and 2 as having been tested at the 75 cent price point in Austin & Kansas City.
:littlesmile:

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:10 pm

x-omatic wrote:
ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:No, it's there, it's just DC's then current version of Direct Market vs. Newstand. The directs had the little three star stripe in the middle of the price box. The price is at the top of the the box.
So one is a news stand version and one is a direct market version.

Exactamente.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:22 pm

dzminn wrote:
Ahhhhhh...NEVER doubt the Master of Variants....it is, in fact, the 35 cent variants (not the '75 ct variants', which I would assume would be the Canadian books...if they exist), and, they are, in fact, #'s 1 and 2. Check your O-Streets from the late 80's, gents.

Hi Zeph, actually I was looking at the 2004 Overstreet, on page 387 under the listing for Amethyst it lists issues 1 and 2 as having been tested at the 75 cent price point in Austin & Kansas City.
:littlesmile:

Then Overstreet either (A) made a mistake all those years listing for 35 cents (which would actually make sense), or (B) made a mistake NOW listing them for 75 cents.

Obviously, 75 cents makes much more sense, but keep in mind that O-Street listed them for YEARS as '35 cent variants'.

But now you've got me in research mode, so....as listed in the O-street Guide:

2004 - 75 cents
2003 - 75 cents
2001 - 35 cents
1999 - 35
1998 - 35
1996 - 35
1993 - 35
1989 - 35
1988 - 35

I'm too lazy to check them all.

So...at LEAST from 1988 to 2001, it was listed as 35 cent variant.

So...anyone have their 2002 handy? What changed it? What new info did Bob and staff get?

Who knows ANYTHING about these conclusively?

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:22 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
dzminn wrote:
Ahhhhhh...NEVER doubt the Master of Variants....it is, in fact, the 35 cent variants (not the '75 ct variants', which I would assume would be the Canadian books...if they exist), and, they are, in fact, #'s 1 and 2. Check your O-Streets from the late 80's, gents.

Hi Zeph, actually I was looking at the 2004 Overstreet, on page 387 under the listing for Amethyst it lists issues 1 and 2 as having been tested at the 75 cent price point in Austin & Kansas City.
:littlesmile:
Then Overstreet either (A) made a mistake all those years listing for 35 cents (which would actually make sense), or (B) made a mistake NOW listing them for 75 cents.

Obviously, 75 cents makes much more sense, but keep in mind that O-Street listed them for YEARS as '35 cent variants'.

But now you've got me in research mode, so....as listed in the O-street Guide:

2004 - 75 cents
2003 - 75 cents
2001 - 35 cents
1999 - 35
1998 - 35
1996 - 35
1993 - 35
1989 - 35
1988 - 35

I'm too lazy to check them all.

So...at LEAST from 1988 to 2001, it was listed as 35 cent variant.

So...anyone have their 2002 handy? What changed it? What new info did Bob and staff get?

Who knows ANYTHING about these conclusively?

Thats absolutely correct about the prices I read-----35 cent variants-----but 75 cent variants for #1 and #2 do make more sense. My recollection from 1989 prices for these variants is $3 - $5 per comic at the time. Information is indeed elusive. The hunt for these comics continues...........

Interestingly enough I have a Star Trek Dc 1983 #1 comic with a barcode and price of 95 cents. Purchased at a Detroit convention for $4. Have not found another one since buying in 1991, even thought I tried looking for more copies. This is not a "direct sales" version with prices for England, Canada, and the USA. There is only one price and that's 95 cents. All other Star Trek Dc #1 1983 barcode versions have a normal 75 cent price tag only.

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 1:34 pm

400yrs wrote:I don't get it. Is this a freakin joke or actually worth over $12 a book?

Don't worry, I don't plan on hunting these issues down. I'm fine buying old issues of Betty and Veronica or Cheryl Blossom, but as a man I don't think I could bring myself to buy this one.

Easy 25 cent bin material. But it is a good read. At first I thought the book was lame too, but try the first 12 issues on the cheap

If you like Archie comics, I could recommend DC's "Angel Love" from 1985-----ask Zephyr for a reading endorsement. Kidding...........as a man, I can't subject you reading that torture and goofy art. No I never bought an issue of AL

Someone got shilled big time. $150???

Jeeez!! You can buy Amethyst from Zephs main man (Kidding) at Mile High comics for maybe $1 per comic or less. If I can honestly get that price for my comics, I would sell too. Paid cover price at the time most of the comics came out

Chuck · Post by **Chuck** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 1:57 am

Just saw this; only one 35 cent #1 has ever been graded (9.2).

Also only one one 35 cent #2 has ever been graded (9.0).

http://www.cgccomics.com/poplookup/grad ... icID=46770

http://www.cgccomics.com/poplookup/grad ... icID=46771

How rare are these books Zeph?

RyanMcLelland · Post by **RyanMcLelland** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:41 pm

WELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL...

In my continuing search to find money for my ashcan...I decided to see what I could do on this little Amethyst topic:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6507565717

WOOHOO! LET THE BIDDING BEGIN!!!

X-O HoboJoe · Post by **X-O HoboJoe** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:47 pm

Wasn't there another Amethyst series either before or after this?

dewmaster5708 · Post by **dewmaster5708** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:28 pm

X-O HoboJoe wrote:Wasn't there another Amethyst series either before or after this?

Thanks a million for this information Chuck and Ryan. It can be confirmed that there are Amethyst #1 and #2 35 cent test versions. Finally a confirmation of this mystery!!! Normal Amethyst #1 & #2 comics from 1983 have a price of 60 cents

There were basically 3 series of Amethyst

1983-----12 issues that have printed "maxi-series." Classic!!!

1984-----#1 Annual

1984-----16 issues----really got bad after issue #11 when Keith Giffen
got hot and heavy with that "Lords of Chaos/Order Dr Fate
bullcrap :x .

1986-----Amethyst Special #1------More Keith Giffen crap---- :x

1987-----Amethyst 4 issue mini series. More Keith Giffen crack smoking
comic story telling. What the hell happened? The character is
totally unenjoyable and unrecognizable. KG's lame attempt to
push Amethyst into Legion of Super heroes continuity. He
eventually kills Amethyst in the 30th century. BS story.
What a putz smacker that Giffen is. He must hate women?? You
would think so after reading Amethyst 1987 and Legion.
There are people that actually like this character. Guess
Giffen has a license "to kill" if a book doesn't sell well?
Shoot! There was some interest and the book did get 2 long
series :x

Now all I need to do is find copies------the hunt
continues........... :littlesmile:

WOW----EBAY has #1 and #2 35 cent editions for sale. But the price is higher than thought. I would trade my extra Shadowman #2 (750 print) for these. MINI volume #3 too.

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:24 pm

dzminn wrote:I think you mean the 75 ct variants, but still...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2294942503

THE VARIANT MASTER RULES AGAIN!!!!

Phew! You had me doubting MYSELF! I should know better than to do that.

I tried REAL hard to let these slip under the radar, but ala, twas not to be. Another of the 80's gems lost from me.

Ah well...had this been 2000, I don't doubt I would have won them for $10 each. Argh!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6506887016

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6506886243

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:25 pm

Oh, and Overstreet gave in to pressure, revised it...and now have to fix it back. Dummies.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:33 pm

Do you think this is just a speculation phase on these particular variants or do you all think the prices will remain high? Why is it that these variants are like gold, but others like ASM and DD aren't as pricey? Is it a supply vs demand issue or just a speculation craze phase?

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:54 pm

400yrs wrote:Do you think this is just a speculation phase on these particular variants or do you all think the prices will remain high? Why is it that these variants are like gold, but others like ASM and DD aren't as pricey? Is it a supply vs demand issue or just a speculation craze phase?

No. These books are legitimately rare. You can't really speculate on books that have, so far as we know, only shown up ONCE on eBay in 10 years.

What ASM and DD variants are you referring to?

Oh, and the 95 cent thing? That's a Canadian version. 1984-85, right?

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