anyone reading Captain America?

[Ryan]

I've never read much Cap until this latest series, being a Brubaker fan I had to try it and it's been a great ride. If anyone is reading, just wondering what you thought about the end of last issue (#36), and .... SPOILER WARNING





















.... the possible return of Steve Rogers? Have to say, even though it's expected he would return someday, I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

[Jrdawg]

I really tried to. I was curious how cap's old sidekick would do as replacing him. Maybe I'm just set on Steve Rogers alwys being Captain America

[Todd Luck]

I've never read much Cap until this latest series, being a Brubaker fan I had to try it and it's been a great ride. If anyone is reading, just wondering what you thought about the end of last issue (#36), and .... SPOILER WARNING





















.... the possible return of Steve Rogers? Have to say, even though it's expected he would return someday, I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

I can probably tell you for certain when I read the issue in the next couple days but it's very, very, very likely that's just Steve Rogers from the past who came to the present with the rest of Invaders for the Avengers/Invaders miniseries (first issue coming out soon). I guess it's possible they could have three Captain Americas (and two Steve Rogers) running around but I'm doubting it.

[Jrdawg]

I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

[Todd Luck]

I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories ... o_Americas

[Ryan]

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I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

sorry for the suspense. It just shows Sharon Carter finding Steve Rogers in some kind of cryo tank, asleep or in a coma but looking quite alive.

[Ryan]

I can probably tell you for certain when I read the issue in the next couple days but it's very, very, very likely that's just Steve Rogers from the past who came to the present with the rest of Invaders for the Avengers/Invaders miniseries (first issue coming out soon). I guess it's possible they could have three Captain Americas (and two Steve Rogers) running around but I'm doubting it.

ok, I'm not really up on the happenings of the Marvel U right now, thanks for the info.

[Ryan]

I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories ... o_Americas

Interesting read. Glad to see Epting back on the art.

[Jrdawg]

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I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

sorry for the suspense. It just shows Sharon Carter finding Steve Rogers in some kind of cryo tank, asleep or in a coma but looking quite alive.

I swear! Soon as I stop reading something, it gets good again

[Todd Luck]

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I was shocked by that last panel. Good stuff.

lol, do you work for Marvel or what? What happened in the last panel

sorry for the suspense. It just shows Sharon Carter finding Steve Rogers in some kind of cryo tank, asleep or in a coma but looking quite alive.

Hm well that actually sounds like a trick by the Skull, creating his own Captain America (he did clone Steve once). Can't wait to see.

I just assumed since the the Cap issues with the two Captain Americas in them were coming out the same month as Avengers/Invaders they're probably connected. But it's possible the Avengers/Invaders takes place a bit later (Cap appears to be only a couple months out from Civil War while the miniseries' creators thought Avengers/Invaders was post-WWH and maybe post-Secret Invasion but they seemed fuzzy on that).

There's almost no way that's really a resurrected Steve Rogers.

[imagesowner2]

I started questioning the reality of a Steve Rogers return when I saw the Alex Ross DF Variant. Ross always hints around in his art and if you look at Cap's maxk in that cover you see the reflection of who else?.... Captain America. Now how could he be reflecting himself? I know that Rogers is missing and rumored to be floating around at see somewhere but I think we will se a Suoerman type return where he has been on ice or whatever , his wounds healed and come back with a vengeance. I think a *SQUEE* off Cap will breath a life into the series that it needs. I do like the series but I liked Cap alot more when he was slapping around a drunk Tony Stark.

Ryan

[Todd Luck]

I know that Rogers is missing and rumored to be floating around at see somewhere

Huh? Not that I'm aware of.

He was shot and killed in 25.

In 26, his death reversed the effects of the super soldier formula (turning his corpse into a 90 pound waif).

In Fallen Son 5, Cap's body was laid to rest by Tony Stark in the Anartic Circle. Only 2 or 3 others were there and they're the only people on the planet that know where Cap's really buried. One of those people is Namor who swore to guard Cap's body and not let it ever be disturbed.

[Squirrel]

I know that Rogers is missing and rumored to be floating around at see somewhere

Huh? Not that I'm aware of.

He was shot and killed in 25.

In 26, his death reversed the effects of the super soldier formula (turning his corpse into a 90 pound waif).

In Fallen Son 5, Cap's body was laid to rest by Tony Stark in the Anartic Circle. Only 2 or 3 others were there and they're the only people on the planet that know where Cap's really buried. One of those people is Namor who swore to guard Cap's body and not let it ever be disturbed.

If fish boy is guarding it, wouldn't he get froze, he wears no clothes

[Zool]

According to Ed Brubaker, talking on the Woordballoon podcast:

It's not a clone. It's not a Skrull. And the body buried at sea was Steve Rogers.

I can't wait to see what's going on, Bru's Cap run has been all aces.

[Todd Luck]

I know that Rogers is missing and rumored to be floating around at see somewhere

Huh? Not that I'm aware of.

He was shot and killed in 25.

In 26, his death reversed the effects of the super soldier formula (turning his corpse into a 90 pound waif).

In Fallen Son 5, Cap's body was laid to rest by Tony Stark in the Anartic Circle. Only 2 or 3 others were there and they're the only people on the planet that know where Cap's really buried. One of those people is Namor who swore to guard Cap's body and not let it ever be disturbed.

If fish boy is guarding it, wouldn't he get froze, he wears no clothes

I take it you haven't seen the black costume he's had for the last few years or all the issues he wonders around in frigid conditions in his undies. LOL

I don't know if he meant he was going to float over the casket for the rest of eternity himself. He's a king, he's got resources. It just means if someone did somehow find out were Cap was really laid to rest it and tried to steal the body someone would probably know about it (Namor, Tony Stark, etc).

[Todd Luck]

According to Ed Brubaker, talking on the Woordballoon podcast:

It's not a clone. It's not a Skrull. And the body buried at sea was Steve Rogers.

I can't wait to see what's going on, Bru's Cap run has been all aces.

Yeah there's a zillion reasons "in story" that's not a resurrected Steve in the tank: Why would he still have his "captain America" physique after the super soldier formula reversed it's effects? How did Skull get the corpse without anyone knowing? How did Skull know where the corpse was?

But as you point out, nothing beats the writer's own words. These are the ones I keep going back to. From an interview given a year ago:

Do you go so far as to plan the return when you plot the death?

Brubaker: I didn't, no. But I've got the next two years of Cap plotted, if that says anything.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9570

Plus Bucky's only worn the flag for two issues, would make any sense to return Steve right now?

The "not a clone" thing is interesting for Brubaker to say up front but I was kind of hoping to avoid that old cliche anyway. So that brings it back around to being the Steve Rogers from the past and a Invaders/Avengers tie-in.

BTW, finally got to read 36.

Half an issue drawn by Perkins is definitely better than none. This issue definitely made up for the flatness and lack of characterization of last issue (which was highly unusual for the series). Seeing Bucky getting used to being Cap is a joy. Nice parallel at the end with the scenes between Steve and Shannon (early in the series) with Bucky and Natalia at the apartment. Seeing that smile on Bucky's face at the end was almost worth the price of admission all by itself.

[Ryan]

Yeah there's a zillion reasons "in story" that's not a resurrected Steve in the tank: Why would he still have his "captain America" physique after the super soldier formula reversed it's effects? How did Skull get the corpse without anyone knowing? How did Skull know where the corpse was?

But as you point out, nothing beats the writer's own words. These are the ones I keep going back to. From an interview given a year ago:

Do you go so far as to plan the return when you plot the death?

Brubaker: I didn't, no. But I've got the next two years of Cap plotted, if that says anything.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9570

Plus Bucky's only worn the flag for two issues, would make any sense to return Steve right now?

The "not a clone" thing is interesting for Brubaker to say up front but I was kind of hoping to avoid that old cliche anyway. So that brings it back around to being the Steve Rogers from the past and a Invaders/Avengers tie-in.

BTW, finally got to read 36.

Half an issue drawn by Perkins is definitely better than none. This issue definitely made up for the flatness and lack of characterization of last issue (which was highly unusual for the series). Seeing Bucky getting used to being Cap is a joy. Nice parallel at the end with the scenes between Steve and Shannon (early in the series) with Bucky and Natalia at the apartment. Seeing that smile on Bucky's face at the end was almost worth the price of admission all by itself.

Glad you finally got to read it, interesting times ahead. I agree with it not being the 'real' Steve for the reasons you said, and no clone is certainly reassuring.

Is Bru writing Avengers/Invaders? If he's had this plotted years in advance, that may rule out a tie in. I guess we'll see. I'm kinda thinking it's some kind of Red Skull creation. Next issue in a few weeks

[Todd Luck]

Yeah there's a zillion reasons "in story" that's not a resurrected Steve in the tank: Why would he still have his "captain America" physique after the super soldier formula reversed it's effects? How did Skull get the corpse without anyone knowing? How did Skull know where the corpse was?

But as you point out, nothing beats the writer's own words. These are the ones I keep going back to. From an interview given a year ago:

Do you go so far as to plan the return when you plot the death?

Brubaker: I didn't, no. But I've got the next two years of Cap plotted, if that says anything.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=9570

Plus Bucky's only worn the flag for two issues, would make any sense to return Steve right now?

The "not a clone" thing is interesting for Brubaker to say up front but I was kind of hoping to avoid that old cliche anyway. So that brings it back around to being the Steve Rogers from the past and a Invaders/Avengers tie-in.

BTW, finally got to read 36.

Half an issue drawn by Perkins is definitely better than none. This issue definitely made up for the flatness and lack of characterization of last issue (which was highly unusual for the series). Seeing Bucky getting used to being Cap is a joy. Nice parallel at the end with the scenes between Steve and Shannon (early in the series) with Bucky and Natalia at the apartment. Seeing that smile on Bucky's face at the end was almost worth the price of admission all by itself.

Glad you finally got to read it, interesting times ahead. I agree with it not being the 'real' Steve for the reasons you said, and no clone is certainly reassuring.

Is Bru writing Avengers/Invaders? If he's had this plotted years in advance, that may rule out a tie in. I guess we'll see. I'm kinda thinking it's some kind of Red Skull creation. Next issue in a few weeks

No, I wish Brubaker was writing it. It's written by Alex Ross and Jim Krueger the team behind Justice, Superpowers, etc. I'm giving a try though the creative team has promised the Invaders will go back to their own time at the end with no mind wipe. It's going be hard for the miniseries not to get bogged down in tedious subplots about the modern heroes trying to hide this and that about the future from the Invaders.

And Avengers/Invaders took a couple years to happen (at least a couple years, they started developing the idea before Cap's death was planned). I don't think the rough plots for Cap (or any Marvel title) are so rigid he can't add stuff in there as time goes along. It's not like the housing market collapsed two years ago.

[Ryan]

new ish today.....

[daydreamscomics]

i think the better question is: if you aren't reading captain america, WHY?!?!?!

far and away one of my favorite books coming out.

GET INTO IT!

[Ryan]

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good issue, not much revealed but I enjoyed the scenes of Bucky training and his 'fight' with Hawkeye, as well as Epting's return to the art chores. Looks like next issue will be the big reveal of the 'new' Steve Rogers

[X-O HoboJoe]

The left side of "Steve's" body was burnt. Like he'd been in an explosion, perhaps?

[BloodOfHeroes]

how did the replacement Cap (to Jack Monroe's Bucky) die? you know--he crazy Commie who became a Nazi himself??

[X-O HoboJoe]

how did the replacement Cap (to Jack Monroe's Bucky) die? you know--he crazy Commie who became a Nazi himself??

Good Question.

Found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Director

[X-O HoboJoe]

My $'s on the guy in the tank being the Grand Director (1950's) Cap.

That's Cap 153-156.