What variant themes did Valiant pioneer? #0's?

[JustCallMeAric]

wow I know more about variants than I ever wanted to

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Gold logo editions, free book (unity 0)

DC released numerous free comics in the 80s, most notably those New Teen Titans drug awareness books, but usually they were promo books (DC Sampler, etc.).

Hey, good bump JL! This topic should have plenty of legs on it. Welcome to the boards.

Thanks. I was bored at work and decided to correct a 4 year old message board post.

And outside of Chromium covers (probably my favorite cover gimmick out of all the ones in the 90s), I can't think of anything else Valiant pioneered that wasn't done elsewhere.

Choas Comics did a did a first issue of a Lady Death mini-series with
a chromium cover.

Lady Death #1 was a "half chromium" cover, and it came about 5 months after X-O Manowar #0.

[TKWill]

Gold logo editions, free book (unity 0)

DC released numerous free comics in the 80s, most notably those New Teen Titans drug awareness books, but usually they were promo books (DC Sampler, etc.).

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Gold logo editions, free book (unity 0)

DC released numerous free comics in the 80s, most notably those New Teen Titans drug awareness books, but usually they were promo books (DC Sampler, etc.).

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

Ok, so you'd like it to say "free books which bill was entirely footed by the publisher"....? Isn't that a bit extreme?

[TKWill]

Gold logo editions, free book (unity 0)

DC released numerous free comics in the 80s, most notably those New Teen Titans drug awareness books, but usually they were promo books (DC Sampler, etc.).

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

Ok, so you'd like it to say "free books which bill was entirely footed by the publisher"....? Isn't that a bit extreme?

I just thought that there was some differentiation to be noted between a sponsored book and one that the company did on its own. I'm not saying that they were the first, just the first that I know of, which means little. What's extreme about it?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

DC released numerous free comics in the 80s, most notably those New Teen Titans drug awareness books, but usually they were promo books (DC Sampler, etc.).

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

Ok, so you'd like it to say "free books which bill was entirely footed by the publisher"....? Isn't that a bit extreme?

I just thought that there was some differentiation to be noted between a sponsored book and one that the company did on its own. I'm not saying that they were the first, just the first that I know of, which means little. What's extreme about it?

The extreme part was the lengths necessary to qualify the condition so that it fit.

Maybe Valiant was the first company to do a free book and pay for it out of their own pocket....but beyond "free comic", does who paid for it really make that big a difference.....? Really?

It seems a bit of a stretch.

[TKWill]

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

Ok, so you'd like it to say "free books which bill was entirely footed by the publisher"....? Isn't that a bit extreme?

I just thought that there was some differentiation to be noted between a sponsored book and one that the company did on its own. I'm not saying that they were the first, just the first that I know of, which means little. What's extreme about it?

The extreme part was the lengths necessary to qualify the condition so that it fit.

Maybe Valiant was the first company to do a free book and pay for it out of their own pocket....but beyond "free comic", does who paid for it really make that big a difference.....? Really?

It seems a bit of a stretch.

Got it.

[Vault-Keeper]

First company to do a card set covering an 18-chapter company crossover? Unity

First company to do card sets that mimic all their comic covers? Valiant Era 1 & 2

First company to give away cards in comics that can be redeemed for a chromium set?

First company to put cards in black holders in comics...try to find the rare one? Sneek Peek

[Escaflown4]

What about the flip books like Magnus #5-8? Were there any predecessors?

[magnusr]

What about the flip books like Magnus #5-8? Were there any predecessors?

Didn't Valiant even say in an editorial that is was a deliberate use of a previous idea - to bring back the fun of comics? Anyway, there were predecessors.

/Magnus

[cjv]

What about 3D comics? Were there any books that pre-dated Valiant Vision?

Weren't there 3D comics in the 40s/50s?

We shouldn't speak of Valiant Vision ever again.

The "comic book visual enhancement technique that shall not be named" makes my eyes hurt.

You know, I liked it.

Chris

[Vault-Keeper]

What about the flip books like Magnus #5-8? Were there any predecessors?

Didn't Valiant even say in an editorial that is was a deliberate use of a previous idea - to bring back the fun of comics? Anyway, there were predecessors.

/Magnus

I have a ZAP comix from the early 70's that was a flip book.

[Vault-Keeper]

What about 3D comics? Were there any books that pre-dated Valiant Vision?

Weren't there 3D comics in the 40s/50s?

We shouldn't speak of Valiant Vision ever again.

The "comic book visual enhancement technique that shall not be named" makes my eyes hurt.

You know, I liked it.

Chris

So did I. I bought a bunch of original Solar colors from Kevin & Carol VanHook that were vibrantly colored for Valiant Vision. They look much better than the printed versions. Kevin told me Carol had to wear glasses for six months to correct the strain that coloring with Day-Glo colors put on her eyes. Suffering for art...what a concept!

[Dr. Solar]

But the Drug Awareness books had corporate sponsor's (I think, Keebler) that helped reduce some of that cost.

But they were still free to the consumer. They were giveaways. Valiant didn't pioneer the concept....they just made it famous.

I know you answered but I just wanted to get clarification. Were there free books that did not have corporate sponsorship? I assume that Valiant basically paid out of pocket on this and I was pointing out that the Drug Awareness books were paid for by a corporation.

Ok, so you'd like it to say "free books which bill was entirely footed by the publisher"....? Isn't that a bit extreme?

I just thought that there was some differentiation to be noted between a sponsored book and one that the company did on its own. I'm not saying that they were the first, just the first that I know of, which means little. What's extreme about it?

The extreme part was the lengths necessary to qualify the condition so that it fit.

Maybe Valiant was the first company to do a free book and pay for it out of their own pocket....but beyond "free comic", does who paid for it really make that big a difference.....? Really?

It seems a bit of a stretch.

I would say that the innovation of Valiant's free issues was that it was the first chapter of a story.

The innovation would be "free first chapters".

[SiBill]

Not a variant and I did not read this whole thread, but - did anyone ever do an all black cover or include a number 0 serialized in 1 through 10 before?

Also, btw, those Valiant Vison glasses works for any comic that has red and blue in the art - which means they "enhanced" every comic book known to man (lol).. Try looking at one of those Continuity covers with dem bad boyz... Its like tripping out (LOL)...

Also - didn't Valiant afect the trading card industry more with the Chromuim Cards... or did Upper deck do sports Chromium b4 Valiants?

[Chiclo]

Try looking at one of those Continuity covers with dem bad boyz... Its like tripping out (LOL)...

I would go for it but I estimate a 30% chance that my mind will be shattered.

[Dr. Solar]

Not a variant and I did not read this whole thread, but - did anyone ever do an all black cover or include a number 0 serialized in 1 through 10 before?

I always maintain that Malevich did the all-black thing long before Barry Windsor Smith did.