Please let me know what you think...

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:12 pm

Well I was given this portion of the boards (Dead Universes) by Greg well over two years ago now. I was wondering just what everyone here 'thought' of the Dead Universes section NOW as it has matured over time. Do you find it useful ? Is there something you would like to see 'added' or something that should NOT bed here ? Personally, I would like to see some comic scans of each DU that is put up with a checklist, but no guide price as we are talking for the 'most part' bin books with the exception of things like Miracle on Broadway (want to see a scan of mine ?

) and Birth of the Defiant Universe which 'could' be given an average price based on recent Ebay sales.

So, if you would give me a couple of minutes, please let me know what you think of the Dead Universes section. Much of the work that has been done here has also been with the aid from depluto and Brother J, so I have them to thank.

If we were to do a 'cover scans' project, people would have to take ownership and do some of the DU scans. I 'was' going to take it on but I found that it takes up WAAAAAY too much time out of my already busy schedule, but I am willing to take a couple of the DUs and do my part.

Well that is just some of my input, but I would like to stir up a bit of discussion and if we come up with anything to add which takes up 'space' on the site, I will run it past Greg and if it requires a monthly or years dollar amount, I will pay that to keep this section growing and ensuring that we have quality control and most of all a fun and useful tool that is utilized for the collection of the Dead Universes that we have come to love, collect and in some cases become obsessed with !!!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:21 pm

I like this section a lot. I wonder if we have too many checklists, but just today I checked the Bravura list because I saw an eBay auction with a Bravura book and I don't think it's on the checklist (more on that as it develops).

I'd be willing to do a lot of scans. I have a good scanner and a lot of DU books, even good chunks of DUs that don't have official checklists (like Triumphant).

Anything I can do, particularly a long-term, low priority project, count me in.

As far as the price guide goes, I like the idea you've outlined. I am interested in analyses of some of the harder to find books like Birth of the Defiant Universe and Miracle on Broadway (or even Strangers Gold Holo and Break-Thru Ultra 5000).

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:41 pm

This section is the best on the entire site IMO.

I love it.

Things to add would be the ckecklists in xls. or Word documents.

I also have a good stock of Du's and would be happy to scan for images etc.

I agree that a price guide might well be littered with 50c lines but at the same time so is the Vh1 really ($1.50

as there are so many commons.
However there are some seriously HTF DU's out there and it might be really good for everyone to be aware of the scarcity of some of this stuff.
I think prices on some items may scare a few people too

I would love to participate in any of this.

Ian

siren3-4 · Post by **siren3-4** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:43 pm

A gallery thread for each universe might be cool . . but the images should be small and manageable . . .

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:43 pm

If I am not mistaken, Greg uses Ebay historical prices to average out the prices on the Valiant/Acclaim books, so if I ask him for a couple of books to do this on (or he instructs me on how to do it but geez, 'I don't do math') we could have that kind of information plus I would like to have a special page with a bit of history on the book and why it is so special or sought after. Probably not a book by book per page as per the book on the Valiant portion of this site but at least a page for a particular DU and when you scan on the thumbnail it brings up a larger image of the cover which would especially be helpful when trying to track down the large number of variant covers (and makes the 'hunt' that much more fun IMO).

I mean, we 'could' have info on the writer/pencils/inks etc but I really don't think that there should be that much effort into these books... at this time. Eventually, I would like this to grow into a more comprehensive and best source on the web but that is a long term plan. I think scans would be a good first step, see how that shakes out and then go from there. Chiclo, I accept your offer... you are the first man on the team. Thank you. As far as having 'too many lists', well that can be up for discussion as well. You mentioned Trumphant, I don't think that should be in the section because I felt that it had no impact on comic book history but then again, what if we had a small section of Triumphant collectors, why should they be left out because of my bias OR we have 'too many lists' ? How many checklists is too much ? Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:44 pm

siren3-4 wrote:A gallery thread for each universe might be cool . . but the images should be small and manageable . . .

I agree 100% (see above)

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:44 pm

This is easily one of the coolest sections, good job

Sometimes I feel like there are too many stickies at the top, and it's a long way to the 'current' posts. One idea would be to put links to all the checklist threads in one thread at the top, which could be updated and kept current.

Just my 2 cents, anyway this is great little section.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:47 pm

Draco wrote:This section is the best on the entire site IMO.

I love it.

Things to add would be the ckecklists in xls. or Word documents.

I also have a good stock of Du's and would be happy to scan for images etc.

I agree that a price guide might well be littered with 50c lines but at the same time so is the Vh1 really ($1.50 as there are so many commons.
However there are some seriously HTF DU's out there and it might be really good for everyone to be aware of the scarcity of some of this stuff.
I think prices on some items may scare a few people too
I would love to participate in any of this.

Ian

WOW, thank you. That is quite an endorsement. I honestly take this section to heart and try to put as much as I can into it (and will be doing more in the future).

I agree, printable checklists would be a good thing. I have set up the checklists now so that you can copy/paste them into a Word document for the purpose of striking them off your 'checklist'. This is only because I think more folks have Word then Excel OR know how to manipulate Excel. Seeing as how you have already done some of this, do you want to be the guy to input the already existing checklists into an Excel document and then email them to me ? I will then speak with Greg about hosting these downloadable lists.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:49 pm

Ryan.... agreed. Is this what you are meaning from my earlier post ?

Knightt wrote:Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:50 pm

Draco wrote:This section is the best on the entire site IMO.

I love it.

Things to add would be the ckecklists in xls. or Word documents.

I also have a good stock of Du's and would be happy to scan for images etc.

I agree that a price guide might well be littered with 50c lines but at the same time so is the Vh1 really ($1.50 as there are so many commons.
However there are some seriously HTF DU's out there and it might be really good for everyone to be aware of the scarcity of some of this stuff.
I think prices on some items may scare a few people too
I would love to participate in any of this.

Ian

You're hired... providing you work pro bono. heheheh (seriously)

Ryan · Post by **Ryan** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:51 pm

Knightt wrote:Ryan.... agreed. Is this what you are meaning from my earlier post ?

Knightt wrote:Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?

thats exactly what I was thinking, although there was only 1 response to this thread when I wrote that reply. You guys are fast!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:52 pm

A check-list sub-section in this forum might be the way to go.

Make it a closed forum to new threads but not new posts so only a mod can throw the checklist threads in the new DU checklist section but we can still post in those threads.

For example, if we could start a new checklist thread in the DU section and when it gets ironed out enough put it in the DU Checklist sub-section.

I just threw Triumphant out as an example. I picked up a good chunk of that universe in one felled swoop (for $3.84 plus shipping) and it doesn't have an official checklist. I am not advocating making a sticky out of one at this time and don't know any significant historical context of that universe. But then again, most of the comic collecting universe doesn't remember Bravura either.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:55 pm

Ryan wrote:
Knightt wrote:Ryan.... agreed. Is this what you are meaning from my earlier post ?

Knightt wrote:Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?
thats exactly what I was thinking, although there was only 1 response to this thread when I wrote that reply. You guys are fast!

Yeah, I am sweating here trying to keep up with it... YIKES !! LOL

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:57 pm

Chiclo wrote:A check-list sub-section in this forum might be the way to go.

Make it a closed forum to new threads but not new posts so only a mod can throw the checklist threads in the new DU checklist section but we can still post in those threads.

For example, if we could start a new checklist thread in the DU section and when it gets ironed out enough put it in the DU Checklist sub-section.

I just threw Triumphant out as an example. I picked up a good chunk of that universe in one felled swoop (for $3.84 plus shipping) and it doesn't have an official checklist. I am not advocating making a sticky out of one at this time and don't know any significant historical context of that universe. But then again, most of the comic collecting universe doesn't remember Bravura either.

Yes, that would have to be the only way to do it, I would have to look at the list and be able to take it out of the regular posting area and put it in the apropos place within the site via external link.

Bravura not remembered ? Not even the 'gold stamp program' and it's absurdity ? hahahha but yeah, I hear ya.

Cyberstrike · Post by **Cyberstrike** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:22 pm

I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.

Dr. Solar · Post by **Dr. Solar** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:05 pm

I haven't been collecting dead universes much, I think I have a few Defiant and Broadway books, that's all. I will probably, at some point, go for a run of Defiant, and maybe Broadway, and it's nice to know that this section is here and the information is available if I do ever make that plunge.

To put it shortly, even though I don't really use this section, it's nice to know it's here. Good work.

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:06 pm

Cyberstrike wrote:I agree that we got too many checklists and a few of them could be combined into one like the various Malibu/Genesis/Ultraverse/Bruvara
threads. I understand why it's done, but it's after a while it's confusing trying to rememeber what is one that I was posting in.

I personally disagree with this one (sorry, Cyberstrike). The Ultraverse books are pretty distinctive from the other Malibu books, and as a collector, I'm only collecting Ultraverse.

I miss the old Forgotten Universes web page. That would be cool, if there was something like that again, using the valiantcomics.com template and using it to keep the information for the various Dead Universes, complete with scans and issue info.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:13 pm

That is what I am aiming for Bro J, with Greg's permission of course. Only thing is that I am putting off each books info to be the last project.... very time consuming in the case of things like Ultraverse and Crossgen. One day.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:02 pm

I love this section of the boards.

I am very much into the "DU thing", not as much as you dudes..... but I dig me some Defiant, Broadway..... and now I am in full for Crossgen.

I could see myself doing some scans of covers too, just set up the pattern and then we can all add to it.

I can do the common Broadway books if you want..... but someone else will have to do the Miracle on B.

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:08 pm

Elveen wrote:someone else will have to do the Miracle on B.

I gotcha covered on that one.

Elveen · Post by **Elveen** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:09 pm

Knightt wrote:
Elveen wrote:someone else will have to do the Miracle on B.
I gotcha covered on that one.

Didn't you have two copies of that book at sometime?

Knightt · Post by **Knightt** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:10 pm

Elveen wrote:
Knightt wrote:
Elveen wrote:someone else will have to do the Miracle on B.
I gotcha covered on that one.

Didn't you have two copies of that book at sometime?

No, I have only ever had 'the one'.

TKWill · Post by **TKWill** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:43 am

I would definitely be willing to scan books as I get them. My only problem is that right now I am somewhat limited as to what I actually have. A couple of things that will be handy is that there should definitely be a size/dpi/format that is required for all of the scans so that they will be uniform (say 300x470 at 72dpi, that is what stashmycomics.com uses for submissions). That's only 75kb per image. Here is one for reference.

I also think that there should be DU captains that would be willing to commit to receiving images. That way one person could hold onto the images until the time comes and then mail off a DVD-R or seed a torrent that you could download. I say that if you are going to send a scan or group of scans then you should pm the captain first and get an email from him so he knows who is sending him what. Trolls could have fun if people's email were made public in such a manner. Actually we could open up web-based email accounts that are specifically for this purpose. Something like "BroadwayDU @suchandsuch.whatever." That way they could sit dead until you needed them, or you could just login and DL when you have the time. Just get people email addys so you know the good ones from the spam.

I am pumped to help out on this one.

*SQUEE* Pushers!!!

Chiclo · Post by **Chiclo** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:03 am

TKWill wrote:*SQUEE* Pushers!!!

Any other man might say "my work is done here" in my shoes.

But my work is never done. I am the night.

Draco · Post by **Draco** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:57 am

Knightt wrote: plus I would like to have a special page with a bit of history on the book and why it is so special or sought after. Probably not a book by book per page as per the book on the Valiant portion of this site but at least a page for a particular DU and when you scan on the thumbnail it brings up a larger image of the cover which would especially be helpful when trying to track down the large number of variant covers (and makes the 'hunt' that much more fun IMO).

I mean, we 'could' have info on the writer/pencils/inks etc but I really don't think that there should be that much effort into these books... at this time. Eventually, I would like this to grow into a more comprehensive and best source on the web but that is a long term plan. I think scans would be a good first step, see how that shakes out and then go from there. Chiclo, I accept your offer... you are the first man on the team. Thank you. As far as having 'too many lists', well that can be up for discussion as well. You mentioned Trumphant, I don't think that should be in the section because I felt that it had no impact on comic book history but then again, what if we had a small section of Triumphant collectors, why should they be left out because of my bias OR we have 'too many lists' ? How many checklists is too much ? Maybe a different format for the checklists is in order ? I.e. we can have the discussion board in place and have a link to where you can see the checklists/scans of that particular DU ?

There are many possibilities here.

Information on each book might take a while and seem a bit too much at this point, but im sure we would all agree once this gets under way the excitement will drive us forward each time we add something and watch it grow.

Creator credits would i be more time consuming but again worth it in the long run.

To have the most comprehensive and best source on the web for Du's excites the hell out of me !!

Theres no such thing as too many lists.

I agree that Triumphant had no impact on the Industry, but at the same time they exist and they put out a good stack of comics and are officially a DU.
Also they had a recognisable gimmick in their limited ( OMG those print runs were huge) numbering on the covers.
Im sure somewhere on here someone told me they had some good stories in them to some degree, but ill hold my opinion on that till i have them all and have read more than the two or three i did read which were bland as bland can be.

I personally have added over five long boxes of DU's to my collection since December due to this section, so i dont need to tell you how much of my backing goes towards this dude.

Also on a support note its nice to see the replies to this thread grow and grow. It shows how important this work is going to be and how many more people will become DU freaks as a result of this glorious information being collated.

COME ON GUYS JOIN IN !!!!!!!!!!