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Daniel Jackson wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Turok back, but I would want something more interesting than what Valiant did with the character. I actually enjoyed some aspects of what Acclaim did with Turok over what Valiant was doing.
Having recently re-read Turok, I thought that the stories were better the second time around than the first time.

I actually came to better appreciate them than before.
They were alright, but nothing outstanding.
Sure, but they were more original than ripping off Star Trek Generations, like Nicieza did with his Turok, heh.

There were some... interesting things about Nicieza's Turok, but nothing I hadn't seen before.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Turok back, but I would want something more interesting than what Valiant did with the character. I actually enjoyed some aspects of what Acclaim did with Turok over what Valiant was doing.
Having recently re-read Turok, I thought that the stories were better the second time around than the first time.

I actually came to better appreciate them than before.
Always enjoyed Truman's writing of Turok.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Turok back, but I would want something more interesting than what Valiant did with the character. I actually enjoyed some aspects of what Acclaim did with Turok over what Valiant was doing.
Having recently re-read Turok, I thought that the stories were better the second time around than the first time.

I actually came to better appreciate them than before.
Always enjoyed Truman's writing of Turok.
His were definitely the stronger issues.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Turok back, but I would want something more interesting than what Valiant did with the character. I actually enjoyed some aspects of what Acclaim did with Turok over what Valiant was doing.
Having recently re-read Turok, I thought that the stories were better the second time around than the first time.

I actually came to better appreciate them than before.
Always enjoyed Truman's writing of Turok.
His were definitely the stronger issues.
I don't think that they ever handled Turok the right way. I believe that had Shooter stayed, even for another 3 months, we would have had a much stronger followup to the lingering questions from UNITY, including Turok and the intial plans for "Bloodshot". But, I am not saying I didn't like or even love what we got. I just think that there were plans that were in motion that never got played out because of his dismissal. Due to the nature of the continuity, the story suffered since Shooter was the main guy planning characters and such.

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Daniel Jackson wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing Turok back, but I would want something more interesting than what Valiant did with the character. I actually enjoyed some aspects of what Acclaim did with Turok over what Valiant was doing.
Having recently re-read Turok, I thought that the stories were better the second time around than the first time.

I actually came to better appreciate them than before.
Always enjoyed Truman's writing of Turok.
His were definitely the stronger issues.
I don't think that they ever handled Turok the right way. I believe that had Shooter stayed, even for another 3 months, we would have had a much stronger followup to the lingering questions from UNITY, including Turok and the intial plans for "Bloodshot". But, I am not saying I didn't like or even love what we got. I just think that there were plans that were in motion that never got played out because of his dismissal. Due to the nature of the continuity, the story suffered since Shooter was the main guy planning characters and such.
Well, sure.

We have those Previews solicits as evidence that, had Shooter stayed, the stories would have gone in a completely different direction.

All we know for certain about Shooter and Turok Post Unity is the one page from Rai #0, which unless I'm mistaken, is the only appearance the character made in a Post Unity comic plotted and/or written by Shooter.

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You definitely got to think Shooter's Turok would have been much more in line with the Gold Key version than the 'badasss' Dinosaur Hunter version we got. Then again Shooter's version might not have sold 2 gazillion copies like Layton's did. :oops:

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Ryan wrote:You definitely got to think Shooter's Turok would have been much more in line with the Gold Key version than the 'badasss' Dinosaur Hunter version we got. Then again Shooter's version might not have sold 2 gazillion copies like Layton's did. :oops:
Wouldn't that have entailed keeping him in a Lost Valley/Land-like setting?

Or do you mean keep him as teacher to a young pupile? The VALIANT version had that.

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Ryan wrote:You definitely got to think Shooter's Turok would have been much more in line with the Gold Key version than the 'badasss' Dinosaur Hunter version we got. Then again Shooter's version might not have sold 2 gazillion copies like Layton's did. :oops:
Wouldn't that have entailed keeping him in a Lost Valley/Land-like setting?

Or do you mean keep him as teacher to a young pupile? The VALIANT version had that.
yeah you're right, but somehow the tone of the series changed too much. I don't know if Shooter would have sent Turok to the modern era or not, but I think there would have been less guns and gore. It would have felt more like VALIANT then Image.

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Ryan wrote:You definitely got to think Shooter's Turok would have been much more in line with the Gold Key version than the 'badasss' Dinosaur Hunter version we got. Then again Shooter's version might not have sold 2 gazillion copies like Layton's did. :oops:
Wouldn't that have entailed keeping him in a Lost Valley/Land-like setting?

Or do you mean keep him as teacher to a young pupile? The VALIANT version had that.
yeah you're right, but somehow the tone of the series changed too much. I don't know if Shooter would have sent Turok to the modern era or not, but I think there would have been less guns and gore. It would have felt more like VALIANT then Image.
I think that given the page in Rai #0, it is a given that Shooter would have sent Turok to the modern era.

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ManofTheAtom wrote: I think that given the page in Rai #0, it is a given that Shooter would have sent Turok to the modern era.
ahh, good catch. I guess it's always easy to think the stories we would have gotten if Shooter stayed would have been better, but we'll never really know, and there is plenty of good stuff to like about post-Unity Valiant. My favorite Turok story is the return to Lost Land (around #25?). Rags Morales draws a killer Turok.

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Ryan wrote:
ManofTheAtom wrote: I think that given the page in Rai #0, it is a given that Shooter would have sent Turok to the modern era.
ahh, good catch. I guess it's always easy to think the stories we would have gotten if Shooter stayed would have been better, but we'll never really know, and there is plenty of good stuff to like about post-Unity Valiant. My favorite Turok story is the return to Lost Land (around #25?). Rags Morales draws a killer Turok.
Last issue of Turok I re-read was the one before Bquake, which was the start of the Return to the Lost Land arc.

It was definitely better than the first time I read it.

I'll get to the rest of the series after I do some more summaries for the wiki next week.

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Last issue of Turok I re-read was the one before Bquake, which was the start of the Return to the Lost Land arc.

It was definitely better than the first time I read it.

I'll get to the rest of the series after I do some more summaries for the wiki next week.
cool, let me know what you think. Been awhile since I read it, but I always thought it kinda felt like 'mini Unity II' :wink:

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Ryan wrote:cool, let me know what you think.
Sure :thumb:

I haven't read it in a while, but from what I remember it was... okay.

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I liked Turok as it was, one I looked forward 2 every wendsday :thumb:

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Ryan wrote:
Rags Morales draws a killer Turok.
He sure does, if VEI secures the rights to Turok, I would love to see him back on board.

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Speaking of which, if Rags Morales does come back on board, I'd like to see him drawing
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Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:It's cutting off stuff on the left and I can't get to it. No scroll option. Screen is maxed. :?
Me too... What's that about? I'm using Firefox browser, but it looks the same for me in ie as well.

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thePike wrote:I just noticed the 'mouse over animations' on the opening splash screen!

Very nice! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Yes, those are very cool. I love the Ninjak one! :thumb: :thumb:

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Geomancer wrote:Speaking of which, if Rags Morales does come back on board, I'd like to see him drawing
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Ugh, I would prefer it if they forgot all about that character.

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Geomancer wrote:Speaking of which, if Rags Morales does come back on board, I'd like to see him drawing
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Ugh, I would prefer it if they forgot all about that character.
you prefered Geoff???

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myron wrote:
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Geomancer wrote:Speaking of which, if Rags Morales does come back on board, I'd like to see him drawing
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Ugh, I would prefer it if they forgot all about that character.
you prefered Geoff???
Absolutely.

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I love the fact that it's a hefty resource, as well as a place to hang your hat.

Great work to all those involved & keep the updates coming!

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mrwoogieman wrote:
Rubiks-Q-Bert wrote:It's cutting off stuff on the left and I can't get to it. No scroll option. Screen is maxed. :?
Me too... What's that about? I'm using Firefox browser, but it looks the same for me in ie as well.

:? :?
same here the screen cut out on the left side tried everything still messed up :?

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I don't think that they ever handled Turok the right way. I believe that had Shooter stayed, even for another 3 months, we would have had a much stronger followup to the lingering questions from UNITY, including Turok and the intial plans for "Bloodshot". But, I am not saying I didn't like or even love what we got. I just think that there were plans that were in motion that never got played out because of his dismissal. Due to the nature of the continuity, the story suffered since Shooter was the main guy planning characters and such.
After following this theme of the thread [Turok] - I agree with what you are saying here wholeheartedly.

I've certainly enjoyed Valiant's Turok, but for some reason had never thought to think of him in terms of Shooter's departure.

In terms of the Valiant U, he always seemed to just kind of be there - which is less than I would have expected from one of the Big 3 the company started with.

So I've changed my mind about Turok. If in fact there was some grand design for Turok within the Valiant U - then if Shooter comes back or his original blueprint is moved forward, I'd very much like to see what that vision would have looked like.

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Geomancer wrote: After following this theme of the thread [Turok] - I agree with what you are saying here wholeheartedly.

I've certainly enjoyed Valiant's Turok, but for some reason had never thought to think of him in terms of Shooter's departure.

In terms of the Valiant U, he always seemed to just kind of be there - which is less than I would have expected from one of the Big 3 the company started with.

So I've changed my mind about Turok. If in fact there was some grand design for Turok within the Valiant U - then if Shooter comes back or his original blueprint is moved forward, I'd very much like to see what that vision would have looked like.
Now I don't know Layton or Shooter personally, I can only judge this from the printed comics and interviews, but it always seemed to me that Shooter was the one who really had the love and reverence for the classic Gold Key comics.

The fact that Magnus uses obscure references from the GK series, and that it feels like a direct continuation of the sereis right down to the little details alone proves this to me.

That's what leads me to believe that Shooter's Turok, even if Turok lived in the modern era, would have been much closer in tone and feel to the original GK series than it turned out to be.


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