Which characters will we NOT see...

[Eternal Warrior]

because VE does not have the rights to?

Turok
Solar
Magnus

Who else?

[BloodOfHeroes]

The Legion of Super-Heroes

[cobra_commander]

There's a certain mighty Thor-rat I'd love to see in the new VEI...

[JustCallMeAric]

It is lame that they are making a universe without Solar. He made the universe.

[Elveen]

It is lame that they are making a universe without Solar. He made the universe.

Can't he be referenced?

There does not need to be a "Solar" book in DNV..... but Solar should always be part of it.

[Sven]

I expect we will be seeing me soon...

HISSSSSSS!

[JustCallMeAric]

Search for Solar he has his own page now, though it is an incomplete one.

[ManofTheAtom]

Search for Solar he has his own page now, though it is an incomplete one.

http://www.valiantentertainment.com/wik ... gory:Unity

[Lightning Strike]

because VE does not have the rights to?

Turok
Solar
Magnus

Who else?

Just because they don't have the rights to these characters right now doesn't mean they can't get a deal done in the near future. It could all work out.
I mean, if the person holding the rights to them had a choice of either sitting on them and not making any money or allowing someone to use them and make some money, I would think they would do the latter.

[Daniel Jackson]

I was really hoping that when the clock ran out last night they would surprise us with Magnus, Solar and Turok being welcomed back into the new Universe.

The fact that they are not saying anything leads me to believe that they are still trying to work something out.

[Dr. Solar]

I was really hoping that when the clock ran out last night they would surprise us with Magnus, Solar and Turok being welcomed back into the new Universe.

The fact that they are not saying anything leads me to believe that they are still trying to work something out.

Yeah, I am interpreting silence as, "we're working on it".

I really want to see Magnus and Solar in this rebirth of the universe.

[Phoenix8008]

I was really hoping that when the clock ran out last night they would surprise us with Magnus, Solar and Turok being welcomed back into the new Universe.

The fact that they are not saying anything leads me to believe that they are still trying to work something out.

This is my hope as well, but it would be so much better if we could hear from VEI that they are trying to get those characters back at least. I would rather hear that they were trying and then fail, then to never hear mention of the characters at all with no news of attempt or failure/succes.

Unless they are only days away from closing the deal. I could wait that long. But if they go for months with no word or info, I'd be goin' a bit crazy.

[Daniel Jackson]

I was really hoping that when the clock ran out last night they would surprise us with Magnus, Solar and Turok being welcomed back into the new Universe.

The fact that they are not saying anything leads me to believe that they are still trying to work something out.

This is my hope as well, but it would be so much better if we could hear from VEI that they are trying to get those characters back at least. I would rather hear that they were trying and then fail, then to never hear mention of the characters at all with no news of attempt or failure/succes.

Unless they are only days away from closing the deal. I could wait that long. But if they go for months with no word or info, I'd be goin' a bit crazy.

I'm sure they would have delayed the launch of the site just a little while longer if that were the case. But I do agree that it would be nice if they could let us know something of the progress they have made in acquiring them.

[siren3-4]

It is lame that they are making a universe without Solar. He made the universe.

Solar is a comic book character . . . Phil Selesky is the one with the power . . .

[Dr. Solar]

It is lame that they are making a universe without Solar. He made the universe.

Solar is a comic book character . . . Phil Selesky is the one with the power . . .

Dr. Solar is the comic book character.


Who am I?

[BloodOfHeroes]

The site makes it very clear that VE is NOT a comics publisher, but an "entertainment company." While comics publishing is a part of their business, I suspect that they are working on licensing agreements, etc. So why would whomever owns the rights (I get confused--Western? Golden? Huh?) sign over the MRF rights, for instance, only to have another company create a movie/animated series/whatever (and thereby earn the original propoert owner only a portion of the profits from said development)?

I'd love to see the GK characters back, and am very hopeful that they can be re-absorbed for new tales, but VE's hopes lie way beyond the printed page.

And I'm quite all right with that!



BoH

[thePike]

The site makes it very clear that VE is NOT a comics publisher, but an "entertainment company." While comics publishing is a part of their business, I suspect that they are working on licensing agreements, etc. So why would whomever owns the rights (I get confused--Western? Golden? Huh?) sign over the MRF rights, for instance, only to have another company create a movie/animated series/whatever (and thereby earn the original propoert owner only a portion of the profits from said development)?

I'd love to see the GK characters back, and am very hopeful that they can be re-absorbed for new tales, but VE's hopes lie way beyond the printed page.

And I'm quite all right with that!



BoH

I believe that in the instances of the the GK3, the holding company usually makes a percentage of related sales and not so much a fixed price.

2 examples:
#1 Classic leases these characters to VEI for a flat $10,000 and VEI then turns around and makes $1,000,000 in profits before the lease is renewed - bad business for classic.

#2 Classic leased these characters to VEI for a flat fee of $10,000 and 10% net of all profits garnered from items that include these characters. VEI makes $1,000,000 in profits and classic pulls $110,000 in profits.

Of course this is simply limited speculation from what I know about such things. The bargaining point usually comes at what is that desired % and flat fee worth?

There are other possibilities that we're not considering either. We know Dark Horse has rights to these characters - who's to say they don't have exclusive rights? We also know that a Turok game and animated film have been released - how do we know whomever has those doesn't have exclusive rights either? It would make good business sense that if you're going to lease such properties that you'd do it to an exclusive nature as to prevent people from corn-holing you with a similar product (think along the lines of what vip tried to do to VEI). Also, it wouldn't do VEI any good to go around touting that they are trying to get thecharacters to the fan base as doing so would definitely play to advantage of classic media:

VEI = "We'd like to buy the exclusive rghts to the GK3"
Classic = "Okay, but the price doubled from our talks earlier"
VEI = "Why?"
Classic = "Cause you've already touted to your fanbase that you're acquiring such characters, now you can either pay us for them or go back and disappoint your fanbase"
VEI =

Please also note that the entire post above is pure speculation on my part; and simply mentioned for the part of discussion and stating logical reasons why VEI would be tight lipped about such properties. I too, would love to see the return of these characters, but understand that VEI is playing a game of chess and we're just the people who get to watch the highlights on SportsCenter.

I'd also like to note that the above talks about Classic upping the price are not to suggest that Classic is an evil company nor VEI a naive one. The name of the game is $$$ in the end, and such tactics are simply business.

[eternalwarrior]

How many Eternal Warriors are there going to be???? Maybe i should change my name....

[ManofTheAtom]

There are other possibilities that we're not considering either. We know Dark Horse has rights to these characters - who's to say they don't have exclusive rights?

DH doesn't have the rights to the characters, they had reprint rights for the GK material.

iBooks published their GN at the same time as DH published their reprints, and the iB gn was all-original material.

Right now, Classic would benefit from granting the license to produce new material to VEI, that way they can make money off the characters instead of keeping them in limbo producing nothing.

[Chiclo]

Sven still has his Christmas avatar.

[TKWill]

Sven still has his Christmas avatar.

He's a n00b to Christmas.

[Sven]

Sven still has his Christmas avatar.

He's a n00b to Christmas.

You're supposed to take it off?



Oh, yeah, kill you and all that.

[superman-prime]

I cant wait to see a complete valiant

[JustCallMeAric]

VEI needs to pay the money and get the characters. SIMPLE

[superman-prime]

Im sure a agreement is in the works