Shadowman's Future?

[ManofTheAtom]

In all likelihood, ALL the information Elya got came from the same file.

So, since that file was right about his second name, his profession, his heroic deeds, and the song he was writing in his head at that moment, WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

The records were 80% right about who Jack was, so why would that 20% be wrong?

His name, his profession, his "heroic" deeds... all CORRECT.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... NNobit.jpg

...so WHY would it be wrong about how he died?

(IMAGE SOURCED FROM CNN.)

If we're talking about a computer database, we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of errors.

That's impressive! It's incredible how a VALIANT comic had such... wait a minute, that's not from a VALIANT comic at all! You took that from a completely irrelevant source.

Oh, gee... sorry, I just used the NEWS SOURCE that the WORLD USED in 1999.

Too bad that's not the same souce Elya used. Hers came from 4001 in the VALIANT Universe.

Elya's news source CAME FROM 1999.

If the VALIANT Universe is the world outside our window, then CNN is the the news source.

Where does it say that her source came from 99 or that it was CNN? You're assuming facts that aren't in evidence.

[Drift]

Rai #0 is a map of the CORRECTED timeline after the Geomancers fixed it, NOT of the incorrect timeline.

Where does it say that. Where does it say that 100% of the inconsistencies in the timeline were fixed?

From what I can see Rai #0 is a document of how the timeline stood during that particular story.

[greg]

It isn't irrelevant because that is from the real world. It is an actual piece of history because the document has been made. You said saying fiction is not a way to explain things so he is using something that really exists

No, what I said was that the only relevant sources are those from the comics, not those found on the internet since they have no bearing on the sources used by the characters in the stories.

Unlike the sources Grg is using, every souce of information in the VALIANT Universe was proven RIGHT. I've already posted multiple examples of this before, and he knows I have, and he knows that they exist. He also knows that he's either too lazy to find any source from the comics to counter what I showed him or he knows that they don't exist.

It's much easier to be an *SQUEE* and be lazy, than it is to actually open the comics to read what's in them.

It's not that surprising since most people on the board are in it for the economic benefit, not for the stories. They'd be fools to damage their investment by reading it.

CNN is the news source that the Valiant Universe would HAVE TO USE to be based
upon the real world from 1999. CNN is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.

Valiant "facts" do not always have to be right.

Even if the facts are RIGHT at some point, it doesn't mean that events in timestream won't change them.

You lose. Game over. Insert quarters.

[ManofTheAtom]

Another thing that Greg is clearly ignorant of is that newssources, like CNN, keep active "obituaries" for celebrities and politicians just in case they died unexpectedly.

It's not so much that CNN got the information about Cheney wrong, but that they ran it prematurly. An internet goof.

Just the other day I saw on Zap2It or IMDB that a news site, either CNN or another one, was updating Britney Spears's obituary just in case she dropped dead soon, and they made mention of what I said above.

[Ryan]

I would ask you if you could show those inconsistancies, but I know you won't bother.

How about the X-O bike, the "everything is a dream" ending to X-O and Unity 2k as examples of "timestream inconsistancies".

[greg]

I would ask you if you could show those inconsistancies, but I know you won't bother.

How about the X-O bike, the "everything is a dream" ending to X-O and Unity 2k as examples of "timestream inconsistancies".

They must be "irrelevant" because they would prove him wrong.

[ManofTheAtom]

It isn't irrelevant because that is from the real world. It is an actual piece of history because the document has been made. You said saying fiction is not a way to explain things so he is using something that really exists

No, what I said was that the only relevant sources are those from the comics, not those found on the internet since they have no bearing on the sources used by the characters in the stories.

Unlike the sources Grg is using, every souce of information in the VALIANT Universe was proven RIGHT. I've already posted multiple examples of this before, and he knows I have, and he knows that they exist. He also knows that he's either too lazy to find any source from the comics to counter what I showed him or he knows that they don't exist.

It's much easier to be an *SQUEE* and be lazy, than it is to actually open the comics to read what's in them.

It's not that surprising since most people on the board are in it for the economic benefit, not for the stories. They'd be fools to damage their investment by reading it.

CNN is the news source that the Valiant Universe would HAVE TO USE to be based
upon the real world from 1999. CNN is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.

Valiant "facts" do not always have to be right.

Even if the facts are RIGHT at some point, it doesn't mean that events in timestream won't change them.

You lose. Game over. Insert quarters.

Elya didn't live in 1999.

[jedimarley]

It isn't irrelevant because that is from the real world. It is an actual piece of history because the document has been made. You said saying fiction is not a way to explain things so he is using something that really exists

No, what I said was that the only relevant sources are those from the comics, not those found on the internet since they have no bearing on the sources used by the characters in the stories.

Unlike the sources Grg is using, every souce of information in the VALIANT Universe was proven RIGHT. I've already posted multiple examples of this before, and he knows I have, and he knows that they exist. He also knows that he's either too lazy to find any source from the comics to counter what I showed him or he knows that they don't exist.

It's much easier to be an *SQUEE* and be lazy, than it is to actually open the comics to read what's in them.

It's not that surprising since most people on the board are in it for the economic benefit, not for the stories. They'd be fools to damage their investment by reading it.

CNN is the news source that the Valiant Universe would HAVE TO USE to be based
upon the real world from 1999. CNN is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT.

Valiant "facts" do not always have to be right.

Even if the facts are RIGHT at some point, it doesn't mean that events in timestream won't change them.

You lose. Game over. Insert quarters.

Elya didn't live in 1999.

Jack did.

[Drift]

So she didn't even use sources that were relevant in '99.
She used information that had become distorted over 2000 years.

[ManofTheAtom]

Rai #0 is a map of the CORRECTED timeline after the Geomancers fixed it, NOT of the incorrect timeline.

Where does it say that. Where does it say that 100% of the inconsistencies in the timeline were fixed?

From what I can see Rai #0 is a document of how the timeline stood during that particular story.

We're not talking about 100%of the timeline, though, we're talking about these 11 particular events, 9 of which came true as shown.

We're not debating possible events, we're debating 11 events that we already know happened as fact in the timeline that Geoff and the Geomancers fixed.

[Drift]

Not to mention the fact that any news published at all would be subject to the inconsistencies in the timestream

[ManofTheAtom]

I would ask you if you could show those inconsistancies, but I know you won't bother.

How about the X-O bike, the "everything is a dream" ending to X-O and Unity 2k as examples of "timestream inconsistancies".

I'd aknowledge U2K as an inconsistancy (same for the crossover with Iron Man), but the XO Bike and the dream are not big enough to be considered a result of Unity.

If we aknowledge U2K, then that's when Jack died, period.

[jedimarley]

Rai #0 is a map of the CORRECTED timeline after the Geomancers fixed it, NOT of the incorrect timeline.

Where does it say that. Where does it say that 100% of the inconsistencies in the timeline were fixed?

From what I can see Rai #0 is a document of how the timeline stood during that particular story.

We're not talking about 100%of the timeline, though, we're talking about these 11 particular events, 9 of which came true as shown.

We're not debating possible events, we're debating 11 events that we already know happened as fact in the timeline that Geoff and the Geomancers fixed.

So they fixed Jacks death???

Those sneaky Geomancers.

[ManofTheAtom]

So she didn't even use sources that were relevant in '99.
She used information that had become distorted over 2000 years.

Yet 80% of it was right. How distorted could it have been? And not to mention that her prediction was corroborated in Rai #0.

[ManofTheAtom]

Another thing that Greg is clearly ignorant of is that newssources, like CNN, keep active "obituaries" for celebrities and politicians just in case they died unexpectedly.

It's not so much that CNN got the information about Cheney wrong, but that they ran it prematurly. An internet goof.

Just the other day I saw on Zap2It or IMDB that a news site, either CNN or another one, was updating Britney Spears's obituary just in case she dropped dead soon, and they made mention of what I said above.

EXCLUSIVE: The AP Has Written Britney Spears' Obituary
Thursday January 17, 2008


January 16, 2008
Zavar Manokian/BuzzFoto.comThe Associated Press began preparing Britney Spears’ obituary within the past month, Usmagazine.com has learned.

"We are not wishing it, but if Britney passed away, it’s easily one of the biggest stories in a long time," AP entertainment editor Jesse Washington tells Us.

"I think one would agree that Britney seems at risk right now," Washington adds. "Of course, we would never wish any type of misfortune on anybody and hope that we would never have to use it until 50 years from now…but if something were to happen, we would have to be prepared."

Washington also says the AP has a "pretty extensive obituary operation," and that staffers are "constantly adding people."

Following a bizarre night out Wednesday, Spears’ pal Sam Lutfi phoned into Ryan Seacrest’s radio show, claiming, “everything’s fine.”

[Drift]

We're not talking about 100%of the timeline, though, we're talking about these 11 particular events, 9 of which came true as shown.

We're not debating possible events, we're debating 11 events that we already know happened as fact in the timeline that Geoff and the Geomancers fixed.

So you can't prove that these events were not subject to timeline distortion?
Timeline distortion that exists because it says so in the comic you site as your main source for these events.

[ManofTheAtom]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

[jedimarley]

So she didn't even use sources that were relevant in '99.
She used information that had become distorted over 2000 years.

Yet 80% of it was right. How distorted could it have been? And not to mention that her prediction was corroborated in Rai #0.

But Jack doesn't die in Rai #0.

[jedimarley]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

[ManofTheAtom]

We're not talking about 100%of the timeline, though, we're talking about these 11 particular events, 9 of which came true as shown.

We're not debating possible events, we're debating 11 events that we already know happened as fact in the timeline that Geoff and the Geomancers fixed.

So you can't prove that these events were not subject to timeline distortion?
Timeline distortion that exists because it says so in the comic you site as your main source for these events.

I don't have to prove anything, you have to prove it to me.

I already proved to you that sources of information in the 41st Century have not been wrong about events that took place in the 20th.

You're the one challenging that, so you're the one that has to prove it wrong.

[ManofTheAtom]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

[greg]

Marty: Biff can't be my father... George McFly can't be dead.

Doc Brown: I'm afraid he is, here, in this reality. We'll have to go back and correct that.

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So, you see, when Jack Boniface heard from Elya that he would die in 1999,
he built a time machine out of a DeLorean... went 88MPH... and skipped over
1999 altogether to arrive safely in the year 2000... with Einstein, his pet goat.

[Drift]

I'd aknowledge U2K as an inconsistancy (same for the crossover with Iron Man), but the XO Bike and the dream are not big enough to be considered a result of Unity.

Why are they not considered big enough?

They happened but are inconsitant with the main timeline. So they were part of the broken timeline then?

[ManofTheAtom]

Marty: Biff can't be my father... George McFly can't be dead.

Doc Brown: I'm afraid he is, here, in this reality. We'll have to go back and correct that.

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So, you see, when Jack Boniface heard from Elya that he would die in 1999,
he built a time machine out of a DeLorean... went 88MPH... and skipped over
1999 altogether to arrive safely in the year 2000... with Einstein, his pet goat.

You were so close to offering a compelling argument.

SO CLOSE, but acting like an *SQUEE* got the better of you.

Try again. You almost have it... it's right there for you to grab

[jedimarley]

Jack did.

Yes, but Elya didn't, and she got her information from 41st Century computers, not from the 20th Century.

No. Mothergod's computers.

The same ones that told Geoff about Bloodshot.

Where those wrong?

Geoff was able to access Mothergods personal computer.