Miracleman?

[Elveen]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

I can't remember the exact numbers I saw, but there were a few of the books. I really know nothing about these.

Something else for some of you dudes to school me in.

Any help, the more details, the better.

[tanord]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Not all of them are rare and what the heck is vaulable?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

The real gems are the Miracleman#1's that were signed by Moore and have blue and gold editions (see here) that can go for thousands of dollars.
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One note....these books do not go for "thousands of dollars"....that is a myth, perpetrated by dealers and perpetuated by Overstreet.

When these are listed with no reserve, and a reasonable starting bid, they have sold for between $150-$400. That's the Gold. Blues for $50-$250.

Unfortunately, the people who HAVE them don't wish to sell them, for the most part, but there isn't a great amount of demand for them, either. They are, after all, just signed books, and not even Eclipse produced, a la VVSS.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

I can't remember the exact numbers I saw, but there were a few of the books. I really know nothing about these.

Something else for some of you dudes to school me in.

Any help, the more details, the better.

Here's the story:

Miracleman began as one of Alan Moore's first writing projects back in 1982 in Warrior Magazine in Britain. He debuted in Warrior #1, and ran for many issues (at least 10.) He didn't finish the story, however, in Warrior, as he accepted a job in the States as the new writer for Swamp Thing in late 1983.

Miracleman was originally called Marvelman, and was based on the Marvelman of the 50's written/drawn/edited (?) by Mick Anglo.

When Moore hit it big in the States with Swamp Thing, he took Marvelman to Eclipse. For obvious reasons, the name was changed from Marvelman to Miracleman.

Eclipse published all 24 issues that have been published, as well as a 3 issue Miracleman: Apocrypha, 2 issue Miracleman Family (reprinting some of the 50's adventures), and a 3-D issue (which I *believe* reprints #1, and the cover is a reprint of Warrior #7...I'd have to pull one out.)

Anyhoo....Eclipse #1-6 were published originally in Warrior Magazine, serialized, as already mentioned. Halfway through #6, Moore picked up and finished the original story, in #6-#7.

#8 is an all reprint issue from the 50's.

#9 picks up the new storyline, as Miracleman's wife gives birth to their child.

#11-16 comprise Olympus, which was written and published in 1987-1988, and represents one of the pinnacles of Moore's career.

#17-#24 are by Neil Gaiman, and he continues the story.

#1-8 are common, and relatively cheap. #1 is especially common, and was exceptionally overprinted by Eclipse. #9 is a "key" issue, with graphic birth scenes, but is still relatively common. #10 is moderately common as well.

Currently, these books (which languished in quarter bins for most of the late 80's and 90's) are worth about $2-$5 each on eBay.

#11-16 are rare, with #'s 14-16 being exceptionally rare.

#11, 12, and 13 re typically $10-$20 on eBay in NM, #14 can be as much as $35, as can #16, and #15 has sold for as high as $150, though it tends to hover around the $75-$100 mark by itself.

#15, of course, is the climax of Olympis, and is the key to the entire series.

#17-22 are more common, as they were printed and sold when Gaiman was at the height of his popularity with Sandman in 1990-1991. #23 and #24, printed in 1992 and 1993 respectively, are much rarer, as the book waited a year between issues, and was ordered accordingly.

#17-#22 are easily $5-$10 books, #23 is a $20 book, and #24 can sell for $40 on good days.

The main reason why the books are so rare is not just print run: that's just half of the story. In 1993, Guerneville, CA (where Eclipse was headquartered, and where they warehoused their overstock) was flooded, and nearly all their overstock was destroyed, including a large number of 14-16. As a result, only the books which were sold before the flood survived.

It is estimated that there are fewer than 1,000 copies of Miracleman #15 extant.

#25 is complete, and #26 is 1/3 complete, but they were never published because Eclipse closed its doors.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

The real gems are the Miracleman#1's that were signed by Moore and have blue and gold editions (see here) that can go for thousands of dollars.
.

One note....these books do not go for "thousands of dollars"....that is a myth, perpetrated by dealers and perpetuated by Overstreet.

When these are listed with no reserve, and a reasonable starting bid, they have sold for between $150-$400. That's the Gold. Blues for $50-$250.

Unfortunately, the people who HAVE them don't wish to sell them, for the most part, but there isn't a great amount of demand for them, either. They are, after all, just signed books, and not even Eclipse produced, a la VVSS.

Okay .10's of thousands :0 - were they green label?

CGC? I wouldn't think so, because the sigs are inside.

[Brother J]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

I can't remember the exact numbers I saw, but there were a few of the books. I really know nothing about these.

Something else for some of you dudes to school me in.

Any help, the more details, the better.

Here's the story:

Miracleman began as one of Alan Moore's first writing projects back in 1982 in Warrior Magazine in Britain. He debuted in Warrior #1, and ran for many issues (at least 10.) He didn't finish the story, however, in Warrior, as he accepted a job in the States as the new writer for Swamp Thing in late 1983.

Miracleman was originally called Marvelman, and was based on the Marvelman of the 50's written/drawn/edited (?) by Mick Anglo.

When Moore hit it big in the States with Swamp Thing, he took Marvelman to Eclipse. For obvious reasons, the name was changed from Marvelman to Miracleman.

Eclipse published all 24 issues that have been published, as well as a 3 issue Miracleman: Apocrypha, 2 issue Miracleman Family (reprinting some of the 50's adventures), and a 3-D issue (which I *believe* reprints #1, and the cover is a reprint of Warrior #7...I'd have to pull one out.)

Anyhoo....Eclipse #1-6 were published originally in Warrior Magazine, serialized, as already mentioned. Halfway through #6, Moore picked up and finished the original story, in #6-#7.

#8 is an all reprint issue from the 50's.

#9 picks up the new storyline, as Miracleman's wife gives birth to their child.

#11-16 comprise Olympus, which was written and published in 1987-1988, and represents one of the pinnacles of Moore's career.

#17-#24 are by Neil Gaiman, and he continues the story.

#1-8 are common, and relatively cheap. #1 is especially common, and was exceptionally overprinted by Eclipse. #9 is a "key" issue, with graphic birth scenes, but is still relatively common. #10 is moderately common as well.

Currently, these books (which languished in quarter bins for most of the late 80's and 90's) are worth about $2-$5 each on eBay.

#11-16 are rare, with #'s 14-16 being exceptionally rare.

#11, 12, and 13 re typically $10-$20 on eBay in NM, #14 can be as much as $35, as can #16, and #15 has sold for as high as $150, though it tends to hover around the $75-$100 mark by itself.

#15, of course, is the climax of Olympis, and is the key to the entire series.

#17-22 are more common, as they were printed and sold when Gaiman was at the height of his popularity with Sandman in 1990-1991. #23 and #24, printed in 1992 and 1993 respectively, are much rarer, as the book waited a year between issues, and was ordered accordingly.

#17-#22 are easily $5-$10 books, #23 is a $20 book, and #24 can sell for $40 on good days.

The main reason why the books are so rare is not just print run: that's just half of the story. In 1993, Guerneville, CA (where Eclipse was headquartered, and where they warehoused their overstock) was flooded, and nearly all their overstock was destroyed, including a large number of 14-16. As a result, only the books which were sold before the flood survived.

It is estimated that there are fewer than 1,000 copies of Miracleman #15 extant.

#25 is complete, and #26 is 1/3 complete, but they were never published because Eclipse closed its doors.

This is about as good of a wrap up as you are going to find. Nice post!

The only thing I can possibly add is there is supposed to be a non-3-D version of Miracleman #1 3-D, but it is so rare that I'm not aware of anyone that has it. Eclipse did non 3-D versions of their 3-D comics, I think they were targeted towards people who couldn't (or didn't want to) read the books in 3-D. As far as I know, they were only available directly from Eclipse and it's likely the majority of them were destroyed in the flood mentioned above.

[Lightning Strike]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

It's a very good read. Some of the best writing in comics, however, be prepared for some very graphic and adult content.

[Elveen]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

I can't remember the exact numbers I saw, but there were a few of the books. I really know nothing about these.

Something else for some of you dudes to school me in.

Any help, the more details, the better.

Here's the story:

Miracleman began as one of Alan Moore's first writing projects back in 1982 in Warrior Magazine in Britain. He debuted in Warrior #1, and ran for many issues (at least 10.) He didn't finish the story, however, in Warrior, as he accepted a job in the States as the new writer for Swamp Thing in late 1983.

Miracleman was originally called Marvelman, and was based on the Marvelman of the 50's written/drawn/edited (?) by Mick Anglo.

When Moore hit it big in the States with Swamp Thing, he took Marvelman to Eclipse. For obvious reasons, the name was changed from Marvelman to Miracleman.

Eclipse published all 24 issues that have been published, as well as a 3 issue Miracleman: Apocrypha, 2 issue Miracleman Family (reprinting some of the 50's adventures), and a 3-D issue (which I *believe* reprints #1, and the cover is a reprint of Warrior #7...I'd have to pull one out.)

Anyhoo....Eclipse #1-6 were published originally in Warrior Magazine, serialized, as already mentioned. Halfway through #6, Moore picked up and finished the original story, in #6-#7.

#8 is an all reprint issue from the 50's.

#9 picks up the new storyline, as Miracleman's wife gives birth to their child.

#11-16 comprise Olympus, which was written and published in 1987-1988, and represents one of the pinnacles of Moore's career.

#17-#24 are by Neil Gaiman, and he continues the story.

#1-8 are common, and relatively cheap. #1 is especially common, and was exceptionally overprinted by Eclipse. #9 is a "key" issue, with graphic birth scenes, but is still relatively common. #10 is moderately common as well.

Currently, these books (which languished in quarter bins for most of the late 80's and 90's) are worth about $2-$5 each on eBay.

#11-16 are rare, with #'s 14-16 being exceptionally rare.

#11, 12, and 13 re typically $10-$20 on eBay in NM, #14 can be as much as $35, as can #16, and #15 has sold for as high as $150, though it tends to hover around the $75-$100 mark by itself.

#15, of course, is the climax of Olympis, and is the key to the entire series.

#17-22 are more common, as they were printed and sold when Gaiman was at the height of his popularity with Sandman in 1990-1991. #23 and #24, printed in 1992 and 1993 respectively, are much rarer, as the book waited a year between issues, and was ordered accordingly.

#17-#22 are easily $5-$10 books, #23 is a $20 book, and #24 can sell for $40 on good days.

The main reason why the books are so rare is not just print run: that's just half of the story. In 1993, Guerneville, CA (where Eclipse was headquartered, and where they warehoused their overstock) was flooded, and nearly all their overstock was destroyed, including a large number of 14-16. As a result, only the books which were sold before the flood survived.

It is estimated that there are fewer than 1,000 copies of Miracleman #15 extant.

#25 is complete, and #26 is 1/3 complete, but they were never published because Eclipse closed its doors.

Now THAT is what I'm talking about.

I am sure that the "birth scene" was one of the books I saw, .... it mentioned it on the cover.

I have just heard so much them here, I was surprised to see them. Thanks for this info.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

This is about as good of a wrap up as you are going to find. Nice post!

Thanks!

The only thing I can possibly add is there is supposed to be a non-3-D version of Miracleman #1 3-D, but it is so rare that I'm not aware of anyone that has it. Eclipse did non 3-D versions of their 3-D comics, I think they were targeted towards people who couldn't (or didn't want to) read the books in 3-D. As far as I know, they were only available directly from Eclipse and it's likely the majority of them were destroyed in the flood mentioned above.

I've been looking, without success, for the 2-D "3-D" for well over a decade now. I've never seen one on eBay, I've never seen one in person, and I've never heard of anyone who has them.

The only people who could *likely* answer the question of what happened to them are cat and Dean.....but I have no idea how to contact them currently.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

If you ever wanted to know anything and everything about MM, there's Kimota! which tells you, well, anything and eveything about MM.

It's available at Amazon.com here:

http://www.amazon.com/Kimota-Miracleman ... 556&sr=8-1

...for $50, but you can usually find it cheaper on eBay, when they're listed.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

And for the record....I consider "Olympus" to be, next to "Killing Joke", the finest work Alan Moore ever did in the comics industry.

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

"Olympus" was all that, and more (no pun intended.)

Granted, "A Dream of Flying" (#1-5) isn't the best work Moore's ever done, but it was also some of the very FIRST work he'd ever done....and obviously, people want to improve their skills, especially in a skills driven field.

But by the time "Olympus" came out, Moore had already been working for a considerable number of years, earned his chops with Swampy, and the result is a stunning, psychological thriller that had never been done before in comics, and was the LOGICAL end result extension of having superhuman powers and a fractured mental state combined in one person.

The mark of genius is ALWAYS in how obvious the concept appears AFTER the fact. Lightbulb? DUH! Internet? Of COURSE!

The realistic depiction of what rape and ultraviolence does to a person's psyche? Brilliant!

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Oh, and I forgot about the trades. Oops.

There are five, and they are:

"A Dream of Flying" which collects #1-4.

"Red King Syndrome" which collects #5-7, 9-10.

"Olympus" = 11-16

"Golden Age" = 17-22

"Apocrypha" = 1-3 (obviously)

Apocrypha is the easiest to find, and sells for about $25. Golden Age is about $35-$50, Red King is about $50-$75, Dream of Flying is $50-$75, and Olympus has sold for as much as $350 by itself.

The price is driven by the fact that the character has been tied up in legal limbo since Eclipse closed down in 93-94...and is not likely to emerge from that anytime soon, despite McFarlane's coy use of the character in the late 90's.

[Lightning Strike]

I know this has been a topic of a few posts.

Can someone tell me the story with these books?

I saw a few of these today, they were not that expensive (more than the .25-.50 I like to pay), but they were not that bad.

Are all of the books rare and vaulable?

Is it a good read?

It's a very good read. Some of the best writing in comics, however, be prepared for some very graphic and adult content.

Sweet death scene to

My favorite story is where him and Kid fight---awesome stuff!

[MedicAR]

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

What do you mean by that?

[myron]

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

What do you mean by that?

the last issue isn't moore's

[Dr. Solar]

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

What do you mean by that?

the last issue isn't moore's

Huh?

This is the first time I have heard this. Anyone know more?

[MedicAR]

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

What do you mean by that?

the last issue isn't moore's

Yeah, it is. I've actually checked with Moore (or as close as I could get....his son in law)

I've removed all the extraneous stuff in our email exchange, but this is it.

Did Alan Moore write all twelve issues of the Watchmen? Twice in less than a week I've had two generally reliable people tell me otherwise, both very independent of one another. Both said that issue 12 was not written by him. I've scoured the web and search engines, all to no avail. There is no mention one way or the other, and I've always thought it was his through and through.

In answer to your question: yes, Alan definitely did write all twelve issues of Watchmen. Whoever says he didn’t is either mad or just plain stupid.

Remember, those are his words, not mine.

[myron]

"Watchmen" was what it was, but it wasn't, ultimately, what Moore wanted in the end.

What do you mean by that?

the last issue isn't moore's

Yeah, it is. I've actually checked with Moore (or as close as I could get....his son in law)

I've removed all the extraneous stuff in our email exchange, but this is it.

Did Alan Moore write all twelve issues of the Watchmen? Twice in less than a week I've had two generally reliable people tell me otherwise, both very independent of one another. Both said that issue 12 was not written by him. I've scoured the web and search engines, all to no avail. There is no mention one way or the other, and I've always thought it was his through and through.

In answer to your question: yes, Alan definitely did write all twelve issues of Watchmen. Whoever says he didn’t is either mad or just plain stupid.

Remember, those are his words, not mine.

kewl...glad my statement was wrong...

actually all of the interview I've read have AM being quite happy with Watchmen...and definitely not so with some of his other works...like The Killing Joke...

from what I've gathered his biggest regret with Watchmen is that it may have had an adverse effect on superhero comics...and that it was such a grand vision that he had to find other methods to write with so that it didn't appear that he was plagarizing himself...

[Dr. Solar]

Hmmm.

It would have made sense to me if the last issue wasn't Alan Moore's. It just seemed to shift the whole story in a wierd direction, and felt starnge and unresolved. It seemed like the whole story was dealing with one set of ideas, and dealing with them really well, then all of a sudden a whole new idea was put into it to end the story.

It almost felt like Grant Morrison wrote the last issue instead of Alan Moore.

[greg]

... #24 can sell for $40 on good days.

Granted, it's CGC graded, but it's only a 9.2, and it went for $96.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0177329513

[MedicAR]

from what I've gathered his biggest regret with Watchmen is that it may have had an adverse effect on superhero comics...and that it was such a grand vision that he had to find other methods to write with so that it didn't appear that he was plagarizing himself...

I can see how he wouldn't be happy with the end result on the industry, the grim and gritty got old.

[Dr. Solar]

from what I've gathered his biggest regret with Watchmen is that it may have had an adverse effect on superhero comics...and that it was such a grand vision that he had to find other methods to write with so that it didn't appear that he was plagarizing himself...

I can see how he wouldn't be happy with the end result on the industry, the grim and gritty got old.

I always thought of Dark Knight Returns as being more responsible for "grim and gritty" than Watchmen. Watchmen doesn't feel quite so grim and gritty to me, it feels more just, realistic. It's like, here's how we could realistically expect people to behave in this type of a situation.

[MedicAR]

from what I've gathered his biggest regret with Watchmen is that it may have had an adverse effect on superhero comics...and that it was such a grand vision that he had to find other methods to write with so that it didn't appear that he was plagarizing himself...

I can see how he wouldn't be happy with the end result on the industry, the grim and gritty got old.

I always thought of Dark Knight Returns as being more responsible for "grim and gritty" than Watchmen. Watchmen doesn't feel quite so grim and gritty to me, it feels more just, realistic. It's like, here's how we could realistically expect people to behave in this type of a situation.

That's fair. Watchmen and DKR just go hand in hand to me and I consider the two to have had a combined effect of the g&g and a more realistic feel.

Now, using TV screens to propel the story, that's solely DKR.

[Dr. Solar]

from what I've gathered his biggest regret with Watchmen is that it may have had an adverse effect on superhero comics...and that it was such a grand vision that he had to find other methods to write with so that it didn't appear that he was plagarizing himself...

I can see how he wouldn't be happy with the end result on the industry, the grim and gritty got old.

I always thought of Dark Knight Returns as being more responsible for "grim and gritty" than Watchmen. Watchmen doesn't feel quite so grim and gritty to me, it feels more just, realistic. It's like, here's how we could realistically expect people to behave in this type of a situation.

That's fair. Watchmen and DKR just go hand in hand to me and I consider the two to have had a combined effect of the g&g and a more realistic feel.

Now, using TV screens to propel the story, that's solely DKR.

That's fair too.

Using Pirate stories to make things more confusing, that's totally Watchmen though.

[Elveen]

Using Pirate stories to make things more confusing, that's totally Watchmen though.

Now that..... is funny.