Unity headaches

[ManofTheAtom]

How's this for insane...

According to Unity, the reason Pierce waited so long to launch her project was due to her not being powerful enough to take on Solar.

She waited until after Solar died in Invasion to send the San Gabriel settlement to the Lost Land.

What happened at the end of Solar #60?

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

That right there was a window for Erica to launch Unity. She could have transported herself to the Lost Land in 1996, at a time when Solar was no more, and built her machine.

[BloodOfHeroes]

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

Well, he obviously got better. How else could he have fought off the futire Spider Alien invasion.

Next!
BoH

[cjv]

How's this for insane...

According to Unity, the reason Pierce waited so long to launch her project was due to her not being powerful enough to take on Solar.

She waited until after Solar died in Invasion to send the San Gabriel settlement to the Lost Land.

What happened at the end of Solar #60?

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

That right there was a window for Erica to launch Unity. She could have transported herself to the Lost Land in 1996, at a time when Solar was no more, and built her machine.

Assuming she had the knowledge, machinery, and ability to have a "Unity event" at that point. She certainly may have been able to go to the Lost Land, but I doubt she would have the technology and knowledge needed to launch Unity at that point. Given the state of technology and the fact that she would have only spent 5 years researching the concept at that point, did she even know it was possible then?

I can understand if she wanted from 2537 to 3896 for Solar to vanish (or to be stronger than Solar), but in 1996?

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

Well, he obviously got better. How else could he have fought off the futire Spider Alien invasion.

Next!
BoH

We can assume and hope he got better. That hinges on a lot of things, like VEI getting the license, and VEI choosing to continue where they left off with X-O 68.

[cjv]

How's this for insane...

According to Unity, the reason Pierce waited so long to launch her project was due to her not being powerful enough to take on Solar.

She waited until after Solar died in Invasion to send the San Gabriel settlement to the Lost Land.

What happened at the end of Solar #60?

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

That right there was a window for Erica to launch Unity. She could have transported herself to the Lost Land in 1996, at a time when Solar was no more, and built her machine.

What is considered "launching Unity"? Was it her starting up the machinery trying to destroy the timeline, or was it her simply going to the Lost Land?

Also, do we know how aware/conscious Solar was after merging with the sun? He might have merged, but he still could have retained a consciousness, and been aware if Pierce tried any shennanigans. Erica may have been waiting for his actual DEATH, rather than just simply vanishing (or merging with the sun).

Was Destroyer still around? I think he was. That throws a crimp in the idea that she was waiting for Solar's death, since part of his being still existed. Although perhaps she considered him "off camera" since he was off in a distant galaxy, and he would not have been aware of what she was doing.




Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

How's this for insane...

According to Unity, the reason Pierce waited so long to launch her project was due to her not being powerful enough to take on Solar.

She waited until after Solar died in Invasion to send the San Gabriel settlement to the Lost Land.

What happened at the end of Solar #60?

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

That right there was a window for Erica to launch Unity. She could have transported herself to the Lost Land in 1996, at a time when Solar was no more, and built her machine.

Assuming she had the knowledge, machinery, and ability to have a "Unity event" at that point. She certainly may have been able to go to the Lost Land, but I doubt she would have the technology and knowledge needed to launch Unity at that point. Given the state of technology and the fact that she would have only spent 5 years researching the concept at that point, did she even know it was possible then?

I can understand if she wanted from 2537 to 3896 for Solar to vanish (or to be stronger than Solar), but in 1996?

Chris

She knew that it was all about moving energy, like she did in A&O t almost kill Solar.

I think the question is, under what circumstances and when did Erica discover the Lost Land, the only place she could launch Unity from?

Did she discover it during those five years, or did she discover it sometime in the next 2000 years?


And where did u get the 3896 year? Erica transported San Gabriel to the Lost Land in 4001, around the time of Magnus #15. That was how Talpa managed to escape.

[BloodOfHeroes]

Also, do we know how aware/conscious Solar was after merging with the sun? He might have merged, but he still could have retained a consciousness, and been aware if Pierce tried any shennanigans.


Chris

I think he was going to see if he could give up all sense of Phil Seleski when he merged with the sun. We don't know if he did.

And Erica had to use tech to "spy" on Solar, as opposed to "sensing" him, right? Probably why post-Unity Phil couldn't find her in present-day (?).

BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

How's this for insane...

According to Unity, the reason Pierce waited so long to launch her project was due to her not being powerful enough to take on Solar.

She waited until after Solar died in Invasion to send the San Gabriel settlement to the Lost Land.

What happened at the end of Solar #60?

Solar merged with a sun, seemingly killing himself in the process.

That right there was a window for Erica to launch Unity. She could have transported herself to the Lost Land in 1996, at a time when Solar was no more, and built her machine.

What is considered "launching Unity"? Was it her starting up the machinery trying to destroy the timeline, or was it her simply going to the Lost Land?

Also, do we know how aware/conscious Solar was after merging with the sun? He might have merged, but he still could have retained a consciousness, and been aware if Pierce tried any shennanigans.


Chris

Well, see, that's a good question.

Erica could have traveled to the Lost Land and built her machine there from the beginning. Since it was a place where time passed much slower than it did in the real world, she would have had an eternity to do it.

She wouldn't have even had to wait 2000 years to get her hands on technology from North Am.

As seen in Magnus #12, Dr Noel and a group of people from that era had settled in the Lost Land.

Had Noel teamed up with Pierce, they would have conquered the entire thing without Magnus ever being the wiser.

The problem with the Solar idea there is that if he really cared about stopping Erica he would have hunted her down after he came back from Unity to stop her from doing anything in the first place.

[BloodOfHeroes]

The problem with the Solar idea there is that if he really cared about stopping Erica he would have hunted her down after he came back from Unity to stop her from doing anything in the first place.

Heh. Beatcha to it!

BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

The problem with the Solar idea there is that if he really cared about stopping Erica he would have hunted her down after he came back from Unity to stop her from doing anything in the first place.

Heh. Beatcha to it!

BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

Was Destroyer still around? I think he was. That throws a crimp in the idea that she was waiting for Solar's death, since part of his being still existed. Although perhaps she considered him "off camera" since he was off in a distant galaxy, and he would not have been aware of what she was doing.

Well, yes, the Destroyer did not return to Earth until 4028 or something like that, many years after Solar died.

I don't think Erica knew he existed since he left Earth shortly after he was born.

[cjv]

She knew that it was all about moving energy, like she did in A&O t almost kill Solar.

That may be the basis for what she was doing, but the scale of the plan might have required more research/technology. And if I recall, there really never was an explanation for how Unity was supposed to work, right? I mean, was Unity also all about moving energy, or was it something different, beyond Solar and Pierce's powers. After all, if it was related to their powers, why did Pierce have to build a machine to do it, and just not do it herself?

I think the question is, under what circumstances and when did Erica discover the Lost Land, the only place she could launch Unity from?

Yup. Well, she might have been able to launch Unity from our reality, but she would have been destroyed in the process. In the Lost World, she would have (presumably) survived, right?

But the other question is what did Erica NEED in order to launch Unity - in terms of knowledge as well as technology. If that didn't exist in 1997 when Solar merged with the sun (because despite her power, she is now all knowing) then she would have to still be conducting research, waiting for technology to develop, etc.

Did she discover it during those five years, or did she discover it sometime in the next 2000 years?

And where did u get the 3896 year? Erica transported San Gabriel to the Lost Land in 4001, around the time of Magnus #15. That was how Talpa managed to escape.

I was making it up. I was saying that perhaps she was "ready" to launch Unity 1500 years prior to actually going to the Lost world (in terms of the technology. building the machinery, etc) but then was simply waiting for Solar to give her an opening. Which came in 4001 (not 3896 or so, which I was using simply as an example).

Chris

[thePike]

Here is when Erica Jumped to the lost land (Solar #12)




And here is an explaination of how Erica found it from Solar (Solar #12, next page to previous)

[cjv]

Erica could have traveled to the Lost Land and built her machine there from the beginning. Since it was a place where time passed much slower than it did in the real world, she would have had an eternity to do it.

She wouldn't have even had to wait 2000 years to get her hands on technology from North Am.

As seen in Magnus #12, Dr Noel and a group of people from that era had settled in the Lost Land.

But they (Noel's group) had limited technology. Presumably they didn't bring EVERY bit of technology with them. Just because I may have a PDA, digital watch, and MP3 player doesn't mean I could use that PDA to build a nuclear reactor.

If I recall, wasn't Noel something of a Luddite (being a relative term, since he did want robots and stuff). If he eschewed technology, then he probably wouldn't have brought TOO much with him, nor would he have wanted to help Erica biuld any sort of machines.

In addition, if Erica went to the lost land by herself, evne with unlimited time, she might not have developed the technology that was needed. As I said, she wasn't omniscient, even with her powers. Even with countless of centuries of research, there just may have been things that she didn't know how to do, or how to make, without some outside help.

The problem with the Solar idea there is that if he really cared about stopping Erica he would have hunted her down after he came back from Unity to stop her from doing anything in the first place.

Except who knows what that would have done to the time line. If he kills Erica after he comes back from Unity, then Unity never happens, MAgnus is not sent to the future, Rai never dies, etc etc.

Chris

[cjv]

Was Destroyer still around? I think he was. That throws a crimp in the idea that she was waiting for Solar's death, since part of his being still existed. Although perhaps she considered him "off camera" since he was off in a distant galaxy, and he would not have been aware of what she was doing.

Well, yes, the Destroyer did not return to Earth until 4028 or something like that, many years after Solar died.

I don't think Erica knew he existed since he left Earth shortly after he was born.

True. Just goes to show that they (Solar-powered beings) are not all knowing.

Chris

[ManofTheAtom]

That may be the basis for what she was doing, but the scale of the plan might have required more research/technology. And if I recall, there really never was an explanation for how Unity was supposed to work, right? I mean, was Unity also all about moving energy, or was it something different, beyond Solar and Pierce's powers. After all, if it was related to their powers, why did Pierce have to build a machine to do it, and just not do it herself?

I think the explanation was found in the fourth Unity trade, which I don't have with me here, it's not at home.

It may have also appeared in Solar #13, not sure.

As for why she needed a machine, because her powers were not enough to do Unity, she needed a machine that could pierce (NO PUN, heh) the veil of reality.

Yup. Well, she might have been able to launch Unity from our reality, but she would have been destroyed in the process. In the Lost World, she would have (presumably) survived, right?

That's not the reson she chose the LL.

She chose the LL because of how time worked there, not because it did not have any heroes.

But the other question is what did Erica NEED in order to launch Unity - in terms of knowledge as well as technology. If that didn't exist in 1997 when Solar merged with the sun (because despite her power, she is now all knowing) then she would have to still be conducting research, waiting for technology to develop, etc.

Whatever she needed, be it tech or knowledge, could have been acquired in the Lost Land.

Once there, going from 1996 to 4001 for her would have been akin to your going from your house to the corner market.

Once she discovered the LL, she wouldn't have needed to wait 2000 years to get what he needed or learn what she needed to learn.

I was making it up. I was saying that perhaps she was "ready" to launch Unity 1500 years prior to actually going to the Lost world (in terms of the technology. building the machinery, etc) but then was simply waiting for Solar to give her an opening. Which came in 4001 (not 3896 or so, which I was using simply as an example).

Chris

This is what Erica needed.

Technology

Knowledge

Launch platform

And for Solar to be gone.

The last one came in 4001 when Solar "died", while the other three came sometime during the 2000 years she spent hiding.

The question is, in what order did they happen?

We know that the knowledge was acquired on a regular basis during that time, while technology kept advancing to the point that she needed it to.

That leaves the launch platform, the Lost Land.

If that was the last element, then it makes sense that she waited 2000 years to begin Unity, but if she discovered it long before 4001, she could have gone there soon as she found it and keep working there. The LL would have been the perfect hiding spot.

The only difference between her waiting 2000 years to go to the LL and her going there the instant she discovered it, is that by waiting 2000 years she had an army of robs and followers to do her biding so that when Solar and Geoff arrived she was ready for them.

Had she gone there on her one and Solar had followed from 1992, he would have beaten her right then and there.

[ManofTheAtom]

But they (Noel's group) had limited technology. Presumably they didn't bring EVERY bit of technology with them. Just because I may have a PDA, digital watch, and MP3 player doesn't mean I could use that PDA to build a nuclear reactor.

But Noel could have told Erica where the entrance to 4001 was. Even he went back to get the dino-robs. The man was a hypocrite.

If I recall, wasn't Noel something of a Luddite (being a relative term, since he did want robots and stuff). If he eschewed technology, then he probably wouldn't have brought TOO much with him, nor would he have wanted to help Erica biuld any sort of machines.

See above.

In addition, if Erica went to the lost land by herself, evne with unlimited time, she might not have developed the technology that was needed. As I said, she wasn't omniscient, even with her powers. Even with countless of centuries of research, there just may have been things that she didn't know how to do, or how to make, without some outside help.

That's where Noel could have helped her. He could have become her teacher... and he could have even become her lover, thus sparring Albert from the trauma.

Except who knows what that would have done to the time line. If he kills Erica after he comes back from Unity, then Unity never happens, MAgnus is not sent to the future, Rai never dies, etc etc.

Chris

Yep.

[BloodOfHeroes]

I've often wondered why Unity only detailed heroes from 1992 and 4001 [besides the obvious, real-world, funnybook publishing ones]. When she shut down all the doors to 1992, did she shut down all the doors between the 2 dates? Therefore no one from 2007 had a way to the Lost Land?

BoH

[BloodOfHeroes]

1996 had a way into the Lost Land, Turok went back there many times.


What I'm more curious about is that Rokkie stayed behind in 4001 to find other heroes to help Magnus, Gilad, and Rai.

Did he find any?

There's 158 days in Unity, lots of stories left to explore.

But techically, assuming a literal read, that was a re-created Lost Land, so Turok of '96 went to a different place than where he went when he entered the Lost Valley, no?

Pre-emptive strike: BUT all the stuff he buried was right where he left it, which makes it seem like the exact same place, I know, I know!

The setup and plans for "Unity II" created some more headaches, to be sure.

BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

1996 had a way into the Lost Land, Turok went back there many times.


What I'm more curious about is that Rokkie stayed behind in 4001 to find other heroes to help Magnus, Gilad, and Rai.

Did he find any?

There's 158 days in Unity, lots of stories left to explore.

But techically, assuming a literal read, that was a re-created Lost Land, so Turok of '96 went to a different place than where he went when he entered the Lost Valley, no?

Pre-emptive strike: BUT all the stuff he buried was right where he left it, which makes it seem like the exact same place, I know, I know!

The setup and plans for "Unity II" created some more headaches, to be sure.

BoH

Heh.

I thought that the Post Chaos Lost Land was the same as the Pre Chaos Lost Land given that we see Erica's abandoned tower, which had been taken over by Merlin.

tun, tun...

tun, tun...

SHARK!!!!

[cjv]

That may be the basis for what she was doing, but the scale of the plan might have required more research/technology. And if I recall, there really never was an explanation for how Unity was supposed to work, right? I mean, was Unity also all about moving energy, or was it something different, beyond Solar and Pierce's powers. After all, if it was related to their powers, why did Pierce have to build a machine to do it, and just not do it herself?

I think the explanation was found in the fourth Unity trade, which I don't have with me here, it's at home.

It may have also appeared in Solar #13, not sure.

As for why she needed a machine, because her powers were not enough to do Unity, she needed a machine that could pierce (NO PUN, heh) the veil of reality.

Okay, so clearly she was not able to do it herself. Which means she needed machinery, which means she needed technology. Which means depending on what technology she needed (and if she could create it herself) she might have wait until such technology was available.

Yup. Well, she might have been able to launch Unity from our reality, but she would have been destroyed in the process. In the Lost World, she would have (presumably) survived, right?

That's not the reson she chose the LL.

She chose the LL because of how time worked there, not because it did not have any heroes.

Huh? I didn't say anything about the Lost Land not having heroes. I said that if she started Unity in "our reality" (not in the Lost Land), and time/reality was destroyed, she would have been destroyed right along with it. On the other hand, by starting it in the Lost Land, she was (theoretically) able to survive.

But the other question is what did Erica NEED in order to launch Unity - in terms of knowledge as well as technology. If that didn't exist in 1997 when Solar merged with the sun (because despite her power, she is now all knowing) then she would have to still be conducting research, waiting for technology to develop, etc.

Whatever she needed, be it tech or knowledge, could have been acquired in the Lost Land.

Once there, going from 1996 to 4001 for her would have been akin to your going from your house to the corner market.

Okay, so we have established that she knew about the lost land, she could have entered it and got to any time needed to get the technology she needed to build her machines. She might have needed tp research the actual PROCESS by which she would achieve Unity, so who knows how long that would take (you can have a theory, but putting that theory into reality and applying it can take a long time. I know it is true for simply things we do today, so imagine how much she would have to research to actually be able to implement the theory of destroying the time line/universe!

Something was holding her back. Could be the research she needed to conduct. Could also be "sane Erica", a part of herself that didn't want to do it. But when sane Erica split from insane Erica, insane Erica went ahead with the plans.

Once she discovered the LL, she wouldn't have needed to wait 2000 years to get what he needed or learn what she needed to learn.

Why not? I grant that she could have had instant access to technology, but she still needed to fully understand HOW to do it. It's not as simply as coming up with the idea you want an omelet, and then simply going to the fridge and cracking an egg.

This is what Erica needed.

Technology

Knowledge

Launch platform

And for Solar to be gone.

I would add the will to do it. It's one thing to conceive of something, another thing to actually go through with it.

And since she was launching from the Lost Land, Solar didn't actually have to be gone (since Solar could access the Lost LAnd from ANY time). So waiting for him to die in 4001 was moot, since as we saw he was able to "access" the Lost Land from 1993. Hmm...although, if Solar wasn't warned by the Geomancers, he never would have known. So if Erica didn't know about Geomancers, (and Solar's relationship with them) she might have assumed she did need to wait till he was gone.

The last one came in 4001 when Solar "died", while the other three came sometime during the 2000 years she spent hiding.

Right. Although as you point out, she could have ACCESS to the technology (going from any time to the lost land to the time needed for the technology) at any point.

The question is, in what order did they happen?

We know that the knowledge was acquired on a regular basis during that time, while technology kept advancing to the point that she needed it to.

That's one of the big reasons, IMO. The research, studying, and knowledge required. She may be able to move energy, but knwoing how to move it, what ways to move it, how to augment her own powers, what technology was available to do so, etc, might take quite some time.

That leaves the launch platform, the Lost Land.

If that was the last element, then it makes sense that she waited 2000 years to begin Unity, but if she discovered it long before 4001, she could have gone there soon as she found it and keep working there. The LL would have been the perfect hiding spot.

According to the panel, she knew about the lost land because Solar showed it to her, right? Or did he sow her "unreality", which is different from the lost land? If so (the latter) then she must have found the lost land some other way, and was waiting for it so she could use it to launch Unity and survive (as opposed to launching it and being caught up in its effects and possible dying).

The only difference between her waiting 2000 years to go to the LL and her going there the instant she discovered it, is that by waiting 2000 years she had an army of robs and followers to do her biding so that when Solar and Geoff arrived she was ready for them.

But did she really think an army would stop Solar? It didn't - he just blasted his way it.

IMO it comes down to this.

Pierce comes through the wormhole. Sometime between then and 4001, she finished her research and had the technology needed to launch Unity. She knew about the Lost Land (from Solar), and could enter at any time. However, she was concerned that if she entered WHILE Solar was alive and around, he would follow her (and beat her). She didn't know about Geomancers. Yes, Solar could enter the Lost Land from any time and theoretically disrupt Unity, but if she is quiet, he wouldn't know about it. And so she waits until he dies, THEN she goes into the Lost Land. However, what she didn't know about was geomancers, and Geoff's relationship with Solar. As soon as Erica enters the Lost Land in 4001, Geoof (in 1993) is warning Solar about it, and Solar goes to the Lost Land and see Unity starting. If Geomancers didn't exist (like Erica thought) Solar never would have known (unless he randomly travelled to the Lost Land for some reason, but there was ALWAYS that chance) and Unity would have worked.

Chris

[BloodOfHeroes]

I thought that the Post Chaos Lost Land was the same as the Pre Chaos Lost Land given that we see Erica's abandoned tower, which had been taken over by Merlin.

tun, tun...

tun, tun...

SHARK!!!!

Heh. I just wish we'd've GOTTEN "Unity II" rather than the Chaos Effect. But that's just my opinion.

BoH

[ManofTheAtom]

Okay, so clearly she was not able to do it herself. Which means she needed machinery, which means she needed technology. Which means depending on what technology she needed (and if she could create it herself) she might have wait until such technology was available.

Sure.

In reality, she would have needed to wait 2,000 years, while in the Lost Land, she could have taken two steps to find herself in North Am and acquire what she needed there.

Actually, in the Lost Land she could have acquired technology that was even more advanced than the one in North Am.

Huh? I didn't say anything about the Lost Land not having heroes. I said that if she started Unity in "our reality" (not in the Lost Land), and time/reality was destroyed, she would have been destroyed right along with it. On the other hand, by starting it in the Lost Land, she was (theoretically) able to survive.

Ah

Okay, so we have established that she knew about the lost land, she could have entered it and got to any time needed to get the technology she needed to build her machines. She might have needed tp research the actual PROCESS by which she would achieve Unity, so who knows how long that would take (you can have a theory, but putting that theory into reality and applying it can take a long time. I know it is true for simply things we do today, so imagine how much she would have to research to actually be able to implement the theory of destroying the time line/universe!

Sure, but since time was not absolute in the Lost Land, she could have gained that knowledge quicker than she would have in normal time.

Something was holding her back. Could be the research she needed to conduct. Could also be "sane Erica", a part of herself that didn't want to do it. But when sane Erica split from insane Erica, insane Erica went ahead with the plans.

Heh

Why not? I grant that she could have had instant access to technology, but she still needed to fully understand HOW to do it. It's not as simply as coming up with the idea you want an omelet, and then simply going to the fridge and cracking an egg.

Why not?

A 1980's computer is no different than a 2007 computer, except that it can do much cooler stuff. The basic function is the same.

A disc drive, a monitor, a keyboard, a harddrive, a mouse, etc

Just because the 41st Century computers are more advanced it doesn't mean that they are harder to use.

Look at what the 90's heroes were able to do during Unity with 41st Century tech.

They drove vehicles, used weapons, managed to feed themselves, used hovering baby cribs, medical supplies, medical machines, etc, etc, etc, and we're talking about high school drop outs doing that (i.e. the Harbinger kids). Imagine what a scientist like Pierce could have done.

I would add the will to do it. It's one thing to conceive of something, another thing to actually go through with it.

She did not lack the will to do anything, heh.

And since she was launching from the Lost Land, Solar didn't actually have to be gone (since Solar could access the Lost LAnd from ANY time). So waiting for him to die in 4001 was moot, since as we saw he was able to "access" the Lost Land from 1993. Hmm...although, if Solar wasn't warned by the Geomancers, he never would have known. So if Erica didn't know about Geomancers, (and Solar's relationship with them) she might have assumed she did need to wait till he was gone.

Sure.

Right. Although as you point out, she could have ACCESS to the technology (going from any time to the lost land to the time needed for the technology) at any point.

Only if she had known about the Lost Land before she acquired the tech she needed.

That's one of the big reasons, IMO. The research, studying, and knowledge required. She may be able to move energy, but knwoing how to move it, what ways to move it, how to augment her own powers, what technology was available to do so, etc, might take quite some time

.

Sure, but again, in the Lost Land time would have been moot.

According to the panel, she knew about the lost land because Solar showed it to her, right? Or did he sow her "unreality", which is different from the lost land? If so (the latter) then she must have found the lost land some other way, and was waiting for it so she could use it to launch Unity and survive (as opposed to launching it and being caught up in its effects and possible dying).

They were different things. Unreality is like the highway and the LL is one of many stops in the road.

But did she really think an army would stop Solar? It didn't - he just blasted his way it.

IMO it comes down to this.

Pierce comes through the wormhole. Sometime between then and 4001, she finished her research and had the technology needed to launch Unity. She knew about the Lost Land (from Solar), and could enter at any time. However, she was concerned that if she entered WHILE Solar was alive and around, he would follow her (and beat her). She didn't know about Geomancers. Yes, Solar could enter the Lost Land from any time and theoretically disrupt Unity, but if she is quiet, he wouldn't know about it. And so she waits until he dies, THEN she goes into the Lost Land. However, what she didn't know about was geomancers, and Geoff's relationship with Solar. As soon as Erica enters the Lost Land in 4001, Geoof (in 1993) is warning Solar about it, and Solar goes to the Lost Land and see Unity starting. If Geomancers didn't exist (like Erica thought) Solar never would have known (unless he randomly travelled to the Lost Land for some reason, but there was ALWAYS that chance) and Unity would have worked.

Right, except for Solar showing her the Lost Land. They were different things.

Though it's possible that she used Unreality to find the Lost Land on her own

[ManofTheAtom]

I thought that the Post Chaos Lost Land was the same as the Pre Chaos Lost Land given that we see Erica's abandoned tower, which had been taken over by Merlin.

tun, tun...

tun, tun...

SHARK!!!!

Heh. I just wish we'd've GOTTEN "Unity II" rather than the Chaos Effect. But that's just my opinion.

BoH

What was UII gonna be about?

[thePike]

Also, don't forget that it would take time to develope her army of followers for the Unity event. (maybe it was a branch off of Scientology? Maybe Tom Crusie was a member of the Unity gang?)