X-O #0 Ivory? (the saga continues...)

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

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By the way, which one of you emailed me a death threat during the auction? I got a pretty big kick out of it.

HA HA.

Imagesowner2

If someone here did this, they need to be banned immediately and seek medical attention! I don't care who you are, this is uncalled for. I certainly hope it wasn't someone here!

Odds are it was...... I figure most people that have that kind of emotion tied into Valiants are prob. a member here.


Reguardless, lame.

Wasn't me.

Endless taunting and sarcasm? Check.

Death threats? Lame.

And when did you become British, El?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

currently at $355

Wow. It's interesting though, in a few ways.

This very well MAY BE the only one of these EVER, because chances are CGC will realize that this is not a variant edition, or even a printing error, but merely a printing inconsistency.

Plus, people will realize that these are common as can be (as evidenced by the large numbers people here have in their collections), and in no way rare, or even desirable.

Someone is buying a CGC case. Not the book inside it.

Oh, I guess they did restart it....?

And, the case will become worthless once CGC realizes they've goofed, and removes it from the census.

Someone will try and do a search, and discover a case that doesn't exist....

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

Should have left it alone. Anybody who pays that much for that book deserves it.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

ValiantFans.com shut it down!

When the Valiant mafia speaks, ebay listens.....

Another excuse to plug this.

God, Master Darque looks gay....sigh....

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

ValiantFans.com shut it down!

When the Valiant mafia speaks, ebay listens.....

Another excuse to plug this.

God, Master Darque looks gay....sigh....

So I can mark you down for 5-6?

[imagesowner2]

You are exactly the type I am talking about Z ,

Not everyone believes as you do. And as I said before, I do not bring my opinions into selling at all.

The market demands what it demands, you or I can not change that.

Read the beginning of this thread and you will see that people were trying to figure out how many they had, wether you are or not. I have also found two or three other threads online doing the same thing.

I do not agree with the members of this sight reporting Key comics for listing the book. Key comics never said that it was the only one out there, thhey simply said that ot was the only CGC book. which is true. I figure if you don't want it, don't bid. I think the prople that reported this are being a tad fanatical. I mean, you guys cost Key comics money.(listing fee's) . it was the second time they had listed the book and Im sure were down $30 or more in fee's.

And Z , if you want to send your books for free , go ahead. I am in this buisness to provide people with what they need. If my price is fair, then we have a deal. if not then we don't. I have never been accused of being dumb before and I don't plan on it now.

If you guys don't want your books to be worth anything, just keep shutting auctions down, or giving your books away. Value goes up when books are a little more scarce. (supply and demand) Now Z, I am sure you know how that works. I am not here to gain new customers, but it seems like I have alot to offer these peolpe.

If anyone needs anything I will be in my dressing room, HA hA.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

You are exactly the type I am talking about Z ,

Not everyone believes as you do. And as I said before, I do not bring my opinions into selling at all.

The market demands what it demands, you or I can not change that.

Read the beginning of this thread and you will see that people were trying to figure out how many they had, wether you are or not. I have also found two or three other threads online doing the same thing.

I do not agree with the members of this sight reporting Key comics for listing the book. Key comics never said that it was the only one out there, thhey simply said that ot was the only CGC book. which is true. I figure if you don't want it, don't bid. I think the prople that reported this are being a tad fanatical. I mean, you guys cost Key comics money.(listing fee's) . it was the second time they had listed the book and Im sure were down $30 or more in fee's.

And Z , if you want to send your books for free , go ahead. I am in this buisness to provide people with what they need. If my price is fair, then we have a deal. if not then we don't. I have never been accused of being dumb before and I don't plan on it now.

If you guys don't want your books to be worth anything, just keep shutting auctions down, or giving your books away. Value goes up when books are a little more scarce. (supply and demand) Now Z, I am sure you know how that works. I am not here to gain new customers, but it seems like I have alot to offer these peolpe.

If anyone needs anything I will be in my dressing room, HA hA.

Still waiting.

[imagesowner2]

it's been a long weekend, I apologize but I have many things to do. my family needs me too. I wish I had time to do everything but I just don't. I have to actually seperate all of the books to see what i can aford to sell, outside of the sets I am putting together for my other customers.

Just be patient. I don't want to promise you something I can't deliver.

I am sure you understand.

Ryan

[Fanboy375]

I do not agree with the members of this sight reporting Key comics for listing the book. Key comics never said that it was the only one out there, thhey simply said that ot was the only CGC book. which is true. I figure if you don't want it, don't bid. I think the prople that reported this are being a tad fanatical. I mean, you guys cost Key comics money.(listing fee's) . it was the second time they had listed the book and Im sure were down $30 or more in fee's..

The problem is that the way he described it was misleading. i.e. Key Comics compares this version to a Bloodshot #0 plat.

This was like me getting ripped off by a vendor at a recent show. I checked CGC, the foil Thor #1 turner cover variant book was listed and therefore legitimate in my mind and then it turns out to be a fake. This tells me that #1 - CGC will grade a piece of *SQUEE* as long as you pay them to grade it and #2 - They don't know what they are doing regarding anything but the condition of the books.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

it's been a long weekend, I apologize but I have many things to do. my family needs me too. I wish I had time to do everything but I just don't. I have to actually seperate all of the books to see what i can aford to sell, outside of the sets I am putting together for my other customers.

Just be patient. I don't want to promise you something I can't deliver.

I am sure you understand.

Ryan

Take your time. Won't be doing alot of buying until the holidays are over anyways.

[imagesowner2]

I understand what you are saying. but again, I must say that if you don't want it, don't bid. do your homework. yes, mistakes DO happen and I know that CGC is not a perfect system.

There are

7 graded copies of the Platinum

1 graded copy of a Bloodshot gold error

1 graded copy of the Ivory error

CGC states that just because the book does not have many submissions does not make the book rare.

What Key comics did was take advantage of the fact that there was only 1 graded copy, as opposed to 7 of the platinum.

Now , in a year that may not be true anymore, but right now it is.

So, that being said. I have to say that Key Comics did nothing wrong.

I have around 160 copies of X-O manowar #0 , and out of them I found 7 copies of this "Ivory" Book. They are distinctly Ivory, no where close to white at all. it seems as if they were done in cycles, because I actially had an unopened case of these that I opened when all of this started and found the copies I have. may be just a fluke, but hey. it is an error.

thanks for the talk Bronco. Always nice.

Ryan

[Dr. Solar]

I am one of those that agree that if someone is stupid enough to spend money on this then they get what they deserve.

There are two points I disagree on.

First, it is not an error. it is a printing inconsistency. It happens every now and then. An error is when a book comes out differently than intended. This came out as intended, it just isn't consistent across the print run.

Second, the person auctioning this sold it as if it was a rare, one of a kind book, regardless of any technicalities. I read what the auctioner wrote, and he misrepresented this book. He said it wasn't the regular version, that it was a "'new' version", which is flat out not true. It IS the regular version, just from a part of the print run that is inconsistent with another part. Whether this was from lack of research or because it was a scam, I don't know. Either way, it is misrepresentation of the significance of what is up for auction.

[Rubiks-Q-Bert]

I am one of those that agree that if someone is stupid enough to spend money on this then they get what they deserve.

Ditto.

[greg]

Let's just come right out and say it...

If I know I paid $20 for something last month and I'm asking for $3,000 today, I'm a crook looking for a fool.

Whether or not the fool finds me doesn't change my "crook status".

The only way to not be a crook is to "not be a crook".

Lowering the price to $0.01 with no reserve is an excellent move. What more could I do to make it right?

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

You are exactly the type I am talking about Z ,

Since you didn't quote anything, you'll have to clarify what you mean by "the type" that you are talking about. I will assume that you are referring to people who don't think the Ivory is a legitimate "variant"?

Not everyone believes as you do. And as I said before, I do not bring my opinions into selling at all.

Here's the problem: the book is clearly not an error, nor is it a variant. It's just a late production run (and, for those of you who follow my coinchat, there's a category for that, too. ) CGC, outside of their established business practice, has bestowed legitimacy upon a book that they are IN ERROR in doing.

As far as "not everyone believes as I do"....not everyone believes that 2+2=4, either, but that doesn't make it any less true.

See, everyone is, theoretically, "entitled" to an opinion, but that does mean that those opinions are researched, educated, and informed.

Very, very rarely am I going to (or should anyone) accept the opinion of people "just because they say so." If someone is an expert in their field, their opinion is worth far more than a lay person's, simply because they have dedicated so much time and effort to learning the subject, WHATEVER that may do. Likewise, anyone who has done significant research into a subject is also going to have their opinion be worth more than just any person off the street.

That's common sense.

If you're going to compare the Plat to the Ivory, one of which is a clear production error (it is MISSING an ENTIRE LAYER of ink), the other of which looks like the endtail of a regular production run, you're going to have to present a LOT of argument and research and data to sway opinion.

Look at the Pink: many people on this board thought that it was an error; that is, it wasn't intentional, until myself (who had no pony in this race; even after the sale, CNB woudln't give me an advisor's fee ) and chainnball presented copius research (peeled books) and reasoned arguments about how such a book COULD come to exist, and why it's not a "mistake."

At the end, many people who believed it WAS a mistake were swayed....I daresay, most people on this board with an opinion do believe, as I do, that the book was created with INTENT, and therefore is not an error, like the Plat.

And the jury's still out on whether the Plat's an error, too, but MOST of the evidence strongly suggests that it is.

But the Ivory?



There is nothing "different" about it, other than a shade change which is incredibly common to the offset printing process (through which this was printed.)

It would take serious evidence to convince me otherwise.

As far as bringing those opinions into selling....unless you're talking about an auction format sale, with an insignificant starting bid and no reserve...then your opinion means a great deal indeed. You are, after all, establishing what YOU think the book is worth.

After all...it's the PUBLISHER'S opinion that the book has a retail value of $3.50. That is, after all, the cover price, printed right there on the cover.

It's a large chunk of the contributing members of this site's opinions that the book is worth 25 cents to $5 or so.

So whose opinion is right?

No, what you meant to say was that you don't bring your opinions into selling unless the buyer wants to pay less than what you're asking, and then your opinion matters a great deal. On the other hand, if it's more than what you're asking, hey, that's his opinion, and he's entitled to hand me the money, right....?

The market demands what it demands, you or I can not change that.

You don't know me very well if you're going to toss that line at ME. Suffice it to say, you'll be hard pressed to find a more radical capitalist on this board than me, and I have argued at length (and ad nauseum) that it is the MARKET which determines the value of ANYthing and EVERYthing, with very specific limitations.

Read the beginning of this thread and you will see that people were trying to figure out how many they had, wether you are or not. I have also found two or three other threads online doing the same thing.

Hold on, cowboy. Now you're reading into things. Your question:

I think we are all looking through our piles of x-o #0 and pulling out all the "Ivory" copies we have .

My response:

Um.

No.

You said we were ALL looking through our piles to find these, to which I responded (correctly) that we are ALL not. MANY of us are, but not ALL of us, which was your statement.

At no point did I say NO ONE was looking for these in their stacks.

I do not agree with the members of this sight reporting Key comics for listing the book.

I didn't report him. I'm a radical capitalist, remember? I would never report anything like this. I only report items that have wild S&H charges, or are clearly fraudulent (and obviously this was not.) A Cerebus #1 counterfeit advertised as "authentic", for example.

The ONLY issue I have...and I believe it's a legitimate issue, but others might not agree, and that's perfectly ok....is that eBay bestows a sense of "legitimacy" on each and every auction it hosts.

Why?

Because each and every auction is GENERALLY the same. Oh, sure, the pictures change, and the description changes...but if it's on eBay, goes the reasoning, then it must be legit....

Would people pay much attention to a hokey, child-like display asking $3000-$6000 for such an item at, say, San Diego? No, of course not, they'd laugh! And that's because they are EDUCATED people, who know what they are looking at.

But put it on eBay....and suddenly, with eBay's auction formatting and picture hosting, and html this and that...an air of legitimacy is bestowed.

This isn't a newly recognized phenomenon, either. Analysts were commenting on this as far back as 1997-1998.

And, of course, people assume (consciously or unconsciously, rightly or wrongly) that a random person wouldn't pay oodles of money to list an item on eBay that is wildly over priced, with no hope of a sale, would they?

Finally...the market is expanded exponentially...and you get people who don't know what they're doing, or what they're looking at, but because a loved one "wants it", they get taken in by the scam artists on eBay who DELIBERATELY set the bait to facilitate parting of the money from the fool....

Key comics never said that it was the only one out there, thhey simply said that ot was the only CGC book. which is true. I figure if you don't want it, don't bid. I think the prople that reported this are being a tad fanatical. I mean, you guys cost Key comics money.(listing fee's) .

When eBay takes down an auction, listing fees are (with few exceptions) automatically refunded back to the seller's account.

Nothing lost but time (and then not much of that if they were wise to copy their description.)

it was the second time they had listed the book and Im sure were down $30 or more in fee's.

If they listed it the first time, and it ran the course of the auction, with no buyers....then they didn't get "cheated" out of anything. They made a choice, rolled the dice...and lost. Whether or not it was a fool's gamble is irrelevant: it's their money to do what they wish with it.

And Z , if you want to send your books for free , go ahead. I am in this buisness to provide people with what they need. If my price is fair, then we have a deal. if not then we don't. I have never been accused of being dumb before and I don't plan on it now.

I do send quite a few things to people on this board for free, and I have never sold anything to anyone on this board for personal gain (ie, everything I've ever sold has been entirely for charity.)

If you don't want to, you don't have to....it was merely a suggestion, and a definite "thing" the board does. A wise businessman would see it as an opportunity to gain even more customers, and inspire existing customers to do even more business, but it is neither foolish nor dumb to NOT do that. It was only a suggestion, nothing more, nothing less.

And I gotta say...."provide people with what they NEED"? Seriously?

No one needs comic books, man.

If you guys don't want your books to be worth anything, just keep shutting auctions down, or giving your books away. Value goes up when books are a little more scarce. (supply and demand) Now Z, I am sure you know how that works.

Most assuredly, I do.

But you're referring to things on a MACROeconomic scale, and macro this board is anything BUT.

And I'll tell you my ulterior motive right now: I wish EVERY comic book was worth nothing, and that everybody had access to these wonderful artforms without paying through the nose to get them.

But that's not the case.

Even still, I like to do my part to get comics into the hands of those who will genuinely appreciate them FOR THEIR ART, and not because they're "worth money." I LOVE that my books are "worth money", believe me...and I certainly won't be giving away my Amazing Spiderman #9....but for 3 quarter books? Cash loss = 9 cents, plus storage costs = negligible, plus postage = $2-$4....and how happy would you make a customer, who then might turn around and give you $500 worth of business because of it? Or other customers might hear of your generosity, and turn around and give you $10,000 worth of business because of it?

You cannot buy advertising that cheaply!

Again, merely selling philosophy to consider; no one is ORDERING you to do anything one way or the other.

I am not here to gain new customers, but it seems like I have alot to offer these peolpe.

If anyone needs anything I will be in my dressing room, HA hA.

Oooo...that "HA hA" was rather Joker-esque in its creepiness.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I do not agree with the members of this sight reporting Key comics for listing the book. Key comics never said that it was the only one out there, thhey simply said that ot was the only CGC book. which is true. I figure if you don't want it, don't bid. I think the prople that reported this are being a tad fanatical. I mean, you guys cost Key comics money.(listing fee's) . it was the second time they had listed the book and Im sure were down $30 or more in fee's..

The problem is that the way he described it was misleading. i.e. Key Comics compares this version to a Bloodshot #0 plat.

This is a legitimate concern.

This was like me getting ripped off by a vendor at a recent show. I checked CGC, the foil Thor #1 turner cover variant book was listed and therefore legitimate in my mind and then it turns out to be a fake. This tells me that #1 - CGC will grade a piece of *SQUEE* as long as you pay them to grade it and #2 - They don't know what they are doing regarding anything but the condition of the books.

Another very serious mistake that CGC has made.....

I wouldn't go so far as saying they don't know what they're doing entirely, but they are certainly not experts on the myriad variants that the entire industry has published with abandon since 1992. NO ONE is, though I've spent the better part of 5 years trying to be.

Someone said a couple weeks ago, to which I threw my head back and laughed out loud, that "CGC knows more about variants and other stuff than anyone on this board"...

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I understand what you are saying. but again, I must say that if you don't want it, don't bid. do your homework. yes, mistakes DO happen and I know that CGC is not a perfect system.

There are

7 graded copies of the Platinum

1 graded copy of a Bloodshot gold error

This is a mistake on CGC's part. The Bloodshot #0 Pink is not an "error", nor is it in any way related to a standard "gold" book, with the exception of the title. This has been dissected at great length in other threads.

They simply didn't bother to classify it correctly, and hopefully myself or others can get them to fix that.

1 graded copy of the Ivory error

Another misclassification. This is a standard book (until proven otherwise) that was part of the normal run.

CGC states that just because the book does not have many submissions does not make the book rare.

What Key comics did was take advantage of the fact that there was only 1 graded copy, as opposed to 7 of the platinum.

Now , in a year that may not be true anymore, but right now it is.

There is nothing wrong with citing census numbers to make sales.

However...

Citing census numbers of OTHER books, and trying to draw a comparison that doesn't exist....sketchy.

So, that being said. I have to say that Key Comics did nothing wrong.

I have around 160 copies of X-O manowar #0 , and out of them I found 7 copies of this "Ivory" Book. They are distinctly Ivory, no where close to white at all. it seems as if they were done in cycles, because I actially had an unopened case of these that I opened when all of this started and found the copies I have. may be just a fluke, but hey. it is an error.

Please prove this. That's a serious challenge...please prove that this is an actual error and not a tailend production issue.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

I am one of those that agree that if someone is stupid enough to spend money on this then they get what they deserve.

There are two points I disagree on.

First, it is not an error. it is a printing inconsistency. It happens every now and then. An error is when a book comes out differently than intended. This came out as intended, it just isn't consistent across the print run.

Second, the person auctioning this sold it as if it was a rare, one of a kind book, regardless of any technicalities.

Ayup.

I read what the auctioner wrote, and he misrepresented this book. He said it wasn't the regular version, that it was a "'new' version", which is flat out not true. It IS the regular version, just from a part of the print run that is inconsistent with another part. Whether this was from lack of research or because it was a scam, I don't know. Either way, it is misrepresentation of the significance of what is up for auction.

[imagesowner2]

No, what you meant to say was that you don't bring your opinions into selling unless the buyer wants to pay less than what you're asking, and then your opinion matters a great deal. On the other hand, if it's more than what you're asking, hey, that's his opinion, and he's entitled to hand me the money, right....?

The market demands what it demands, you or I can not change that.

You don't know me very well if you're going to toss that line at ME. Suffice it to say, you'll be hard pressed to find a more radical capitalist on this board than me, and I have argued at length (and ad nauseum) that it is the MARKET which determines the value of ANYthing and EVERYthing, with very specific limitations.


You got me, I would have a hard time arguing any of it. I appreciate your knowledge.

And your right. i don't know you at all. I apologize if I offended you. Not intended.

Look, I don't want to get into a arguement over someone else's comic.

BUT, I do NOT agree with WHOEVER reported Key comics to Ebay, If there was a problem they should have at least emailed Key comics before reporting them, which I know for a fact never happened. I was talking with him earlier, he wanted to know about my auction that closed last week.

Everyone deserves equal treatment, even if they are not a member of this board.

Look at my situation. Alot of people on this board trashed me before I started posting, because I outbid them or sold something for too much or whatever it was. there are menbers of this board who have blocked me from biddding on their auctions just because I am "Imagesowner2"

I have recieved emails from people on this board saying they would never bid on my auctions, death threats (i still love it) Etc, etc.

I think that maybe, it goes to far sometimes.

I like Valiant comics. I am a fan of ALL comics. and I sell comics for a living (among other things) . We ALL have that in common. on this board or off.

remember that people paid $2000 for "Tickle me Elmo" .

If they want to bid, let them bid.

Key Comics reputation was hurt when that auction was pulled. He may have lost customers over the whole deal. see, Ebay emails EVERYONE who bid on the book and let them know that the Seller Violated ebay policy. How does that make the seller look to his customers? Not good.

Ryan

[TKWill]

Being that I am one of the people that "trashed" you on this board I would like to throw in something. While I have named you as my nemesis and was unhappy with your name popping up on many of the items that I was bidding on I would just like to say that I hold no ill feelings towards you. Ebay is what it is, a place where people have the oppurtunity to buy things for what they value them at. While you placed more value on many of the books that I wanted it did not stop me from nearing the completion of my regular run. You may have slowed me down but in many instances you stopped me from paying more than what I ended up paying on many of the books that I got.

It took a little patience and digging to find books that were not listed correctly, but I did get them. There were never attacks that were made on your character other than the fact that you may have been a little excited about the re-launch buzz and were, with about another half-dozen people, driving prices up.

Do I mind now, no. Did I mind then, yes. I wanted those books and for whatever reason I felt that I had to have them right then. Cooler heads prevailed and told us all to be patient, that things would settle. The Grey-Hairs are wise, they were right things have settled. All I know is that it is a good thing that I listened.

As far as the X-O Ivory is concerned I think that there was quite a bit of embellishment in the description, it is not a rare, one of a kind book. Greg posted a pisture of a stack where many can be seen. I understand allowing people to pay what they want to pay, when you intentionally feed the flames you are becoming more of a profiteer. He knew full well what he was doing by mentioning "one-of-a-kind" and invoking the frothing madness that is brought on by the Plat. He knew this and went ahead with it. If someone would have said something to him would he have puled it? Who is to say? There were bids on the book after all.

Then again he may not have known how common the Ivory is. Who knows? I think that both Greg and Doc Solar made good arguments a few posts up.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

You got me, I would have a hard time arguing any of it. I appreciate your knowledge.

And your right. i don't know you at all. I apologize if I offended you. Not intended.

Honestly? It takes a lot to offend me. Usually when it gets personal, and never if not intended.

Look, I don't want to get into a arguement over someone else's comic.

BUT, I do NOT agree with WHOEVER reported Key comics to Ebay, If there was a problem they should have at least emailed Key comics before reporting them, which I know for a fact never happened. I was talking with him earlier, he wanted to know about my auction that closed last week.

Everyone deserves equal treatment, even if they are not a member of this board.

Look at my situation. Alot of people on this board trashed me before I started posting, because I outbid them or sold something for too much or whatever it was. there are menbers of this board who have blocked me from biddding on their auctions just because I am "Imagesowner2"

Now that's just tacky. But, there are people on the CGC board who have done the same with me. You can't help people who want to be petulant and childish.

I have recieved emails from people on this board saying they would never bid on my auctions, death threats (i still love it) Etc, etc.

I think that maybe, it goes to far sometimes.

Well....there are nutjobs on this board, just like any board. Death threats, obviously, go too far. That's just stupid, AND illegal.

I like Valiant comics. I am a fan of ALL comics. and I sell comics for a living (among other things) . We ALL have that in common. on this board or off.

remember that people paid $2000 for "Tickle me Elmo" .

If they want to bid, let them bid.

Key Comics reputation was hurt when that auction was pulled. He may have lost customers over the whole deal. see, Ebay emails EVERYONE who bid on the book and let them know that the Seller Violated ebay policy. How does that make the seller look to his customers? Not good.

Ryan

Well....he needs to not take that that seriously. A very good seller was selling a Batman #47, and had it "deleted" because the high bidder was someone who's eBay account was hacked. It happens. eBay's policy sucks, but people need to not take them so seriously. eBay's e-mails do say that there was a policy violation, but they DO NOT EXPLAIN, EVER, what it is....so, the seller could be completely innocent and have auctions pulled in which they did nothing wrong.

EVERYONE, buyers AND sellers, need to not take those things as if the seller is a deliberate fraud, because that's simply not always the case.

The fact that it was PULLED means there was something that WAS a violation of some eBay policy, according to the drone who pulled it, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't pulled because of the price.

[tanord]

Being that I am one of the people that "trashed" you on this board I would like to throw in something. While I have named you as my nemesis and was unhappy with your name popping up on many of the items that I was bidding on I would just like to say that I hold no ill feelings towards you. Ebay is what it is, a place where people have the oppurtunity to buy things for what they value them at. While you placed more value on many of the books that I wanted it did not stop me from nearing the completion of my regular run. You may have slowed me down but in many instances you stopped me from paying more than what I ended up paying on many of the books that I got.

It took a little patience and digging to find books that were not listed correctly, but I did get them. There were never attacks that were made on your character other than the fact that you may have been a little excited about the re-launch buzz and were, with about another half-dozen people, driving prices up.

Do I mind now, no. Did I mind then, yes. I wanted those books and for whatever reason I felt that I had to have them right then. Cooler heads prevailed and told us all to be patient, that things would settle. The Grey-Hairs are wise, they were right things have settled. All I know is that it is a good thing that I listened.

As far as the X-O Ivory is concerned I think that there was quite a bit of embellishment in the description, it is not a rare, one of a kind book. Greg posted a pisture of a stack where many can be seen. I understand allowing people to pay what they want to pay, when you intentionally feed the flames you are becoming more of a profiteer. He knew full well what he was doing by mentioning "one-of-a-kind" and invoking the frothing madness that is brought on by the Plat. He knew this and went ahead with it. If someone would have said something to him would he have puled it? Who is to say? There were bids on the book after all.

Then again he may not have known how common the Ivory is. Who knows? I think that both Greg and Doc Solar made good arguments a few posts up.

You trashed him just because he outbid you? That doesn't make sense at all.

[TKWill]

Being that I am one of the people that "trashed" you on this board I would like to throw in something. While I have named you as my nemesis and was unhappy with your name popping up on many of the items that I was bidding on I would just like to say that I hold no ill feelings towards you. Ebay is what it is, a place where people have the oppurtunity to buy things for what they value them at. While you placed more value on many of the books that I wanted it did not stop me from nearing the completion of my regular run. You may have slowed me down but in many instances you stopped me from paying more than what I ended up paying on many of the books that I got.

It took a little patience and digging to find books that were not listed correctly, but I did get them. There were never attacks that were made on your character other than the fact that you may have been a little excited about the re-launch buzz and were, with about another half-dozen people, driving prices up.

Do I mind now, no. Did I mind then, yes. I wanted those books and for whatever reason I felt that I had to have them right then. Cooler heads prevailed and told us all to be patient, that things would settle. The Grey-Hairs are wise, they were right things have settled. All I know is that it is a good thing that I listened.

As far as the X-O Ivory is concerned I think that there was quite a bit of embellishment in the description, it is not a rare, one of a kind book. Greg posted a pisture of a stack where many can be seen. I understand allowing people to pay what they want to pay, when you intentionally feed the flames you are becoming more of a profiteer. He knew full well what he was doing by mentioning "one-of-a-kind" and invoking the frothing madness that is brought on by the Plat. He knew this and went ahead with it. If someone would have said something to him would he have puled it? Who is to say? There were bids on the book after all.

Then again he may not have known how common the Ivory is. Who knows? I think that both Greg and Doc Solar made good arguments a few posts up.

You trashed him just because he outbid you? That doesn't make sense at all.

What was said was that he was a thorn in my side for outbidding me all of the time and that I thought he was a speculator. It wasn't a trashing per se just frustration. Nothing negative was said and I have posted a link to this threadonce imagesowner2 started posting on this board so he would know. Everything between us is fine and dandy. I even bought a book that was autographed by him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... :IT&ih=011

I don't think that anything I said was inflammatory or offensive in any way and that is why I put trashed in quotation marks. If imagesowner2 took it that way I apologize, but judging by the humor with which he regards the talk of him in the threads here I think he understands. Although I could be wrong.

And I already let him know what it was about on page 3 of this thread.

The losers always whine loudest, and I was one of the loudest of them all.

Since then I am much closer to completing my collection, yet still so far away. I got no problems with you personally, would I have bid more if I could have, sure. You posting on here makes it much more difficult to hold any anymosity towards you. Stick around, the place is a blast. And don't worry for whatever reason the "deep pockets" will always catch grief for winning. Just throw your "crumbs" our way if you have extras laying around.

[tarheelmarine]

Now that's not nice to call me a nuisance with deep pockets. you don't even know me.

Really, I have been a collector of ALL comics for almost 30 years now. I appreciate Valiant as much as you all do. I have a complete set myself. I just wanted to share the books with everyone. I needed some of the books to complete the sets and so I bid on them. (I knew I would make my money back)

I might add that I did help raise the book value of the books and actually garnered quite alot of outside attention from non Valiant readers who were curious and since have started reading Valiants.

So, I look foward to hearing from all of you and hope to very soon.

By the way, which one of you emailed me a death threat during the auction? I got a pretty big kick out of it.

HA HA.

Imagesowner2

I have bought from image and was very pleased. So lay off him.

[imagesowner2]

I did not takr anything personally that was said on this thread.So don't worry about it.

the thing that bugs me is that more than 1 of the members here have blocked me from bidding on their auctions. I don't think that is very professional.

I appreciate all of the people being nice NOW that I have started posting.

Peace Out