NEW HARDCOVER ANNOUNCED: X-O MANOWAR

[Fatal Rose]

I am really look forward to buying this.

[ZephyrWasHOT!!]

After some major cajoling (re: asking out loud and getting a PM from one of the big cheeses saying to feel free to pass this along)

At the end of the Saturday panel VEI announced that the next hardcover was going to be X-O Manowar and that non other than Bob Layton would be writing the new story. After the panel Aric Dacia business cards were handed out. The reverse side of the card promotes the new hard cover.

How'saboutTHAT!



-slym

THERE you are! I thought you were lying in a ditch somewhere in Henderson, NV, with a dead hooker in the back seat and both your legs broken!

(googlemap Henderson. )

[DK2]

ckb

Your explanation is a lot different from saying you couldn't get the book. You could get the book, you just chose not to pay for it. That's fine.

I certainly would send you one for the Canadian cover price postage paid. What is that, anyway??

Well too me when I order it through Diamond dist. and all of a sudden problems stop it from coming through them then that qualifies it as being not able to get it. Why should I pay more with shipping and handling on it? When I could've got it from my comic store with a discount? As I mentioned before I tried some comic online stores and shipping costs came from $8.50 - $12+. Even with the book given a discount altogether its just a lttle more than I wish to pay for it.

MProyas

I ordered mine from Amazon.com when they had the great price so I ordered 2. If the Canadian Dollar remains above the American until pre-orders come along, it'll be even cheaper.

Yes I knew about that price before the discount vanished and I bite myself for not ordering it then. I most likely would've gone with Amazon.com if the discount was still on it and the dollar being so good now. If X-O ends up on Amazon.com, I think I'll be ordering it for sure.


MProyas

yeah, big difference between not being able to get it and being unwilling to pay to get it.

If you already have the books and don't feel a need for the new bit of story or the HC itself then that is different. If you are complaining about there being no distribution set up for Canada there are more constructive ways to get that to change than *SQUEE* and moaning on a message board.

I was *SQUEE* and moaning on the board? I don't think I sounded that uptight about not having the book. Aren't you suppose to post on message boards and put in your thoughts? Didn't think I'd get criticised about this. There are others that don't have the book either. Should they be criticised? Look I have Harbinger #0-4 and theres the fact that I don't have #5-7, the new story, colors, cover art. But theres a fine line I'm only willing to go pay for it. Not all of us have disposable income on comics. Different strokes for different folks.

[ckb]

It's just that you made the book sound like it was unavailable, which is untrue. It just wasn't available at the price you wished to pay. We all know there was a distribution problem, but ultimately it should not have stopped anyone who wanted the book from getting it. VEI handled the situation as best they could. I'm sure the most disappointed people were sitting in the VEI offices.

My offer still stands to send you one for US$25 postage paid anywhere in Canada. Just PM me and I will tell you where to paypal the $$.

[Disguise]

After some major cajoling (re: asking out loud and getting a PM from one of the big cheeses saying to feel free to pass this along)

At the end of the Saturday panel VEI announced that the next hardcover was going to be X-O Manowar and that non other than Bob Layton would be writing the new story. After the panel Aric Dacia business cards were handed out. The reverse side of the card promotes the new hard cover.

How'saboutTHAT!



-slym

Bob Layton? Thanks but no thanks.
$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand. If it wasn't Shooter, I wouldn't have done it.

An X-O #0? What does that run me? $0.25 if I'm overpaying. A copy of X-O TPB? $3 on eBay. I could be really fancy and buy the Blue variant for $6. That means if I could find X-0 #5 and #6 for less than $16.75, I would save money. AND I wouldn't have to be subjected to anything written by the guy who brought us X-O #68.

*gasp*
I realize how blasphemous this is to say on these boards, and I know that VEI is "fighting the good fight." And when they start coming out with new material, anything really (ok, anything not by Layton), I'll be happy to give it a shot. But endless reprints are pointless. And please, the new coloring is not that good. And even if it were, $20 for coloring?

Just thought I'd share a point of view that many of us hold back because we have better things to do than get kicked in the crotch for having an opinion that differs.

[Fanboy375]

$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand.

It seems the majority of your arguement is about money.

$20.00 is not a big deal to me.

I like the hardback format, it holds up better that the TPBs. I'd pay $20.00 just to replace my 100+ read X-O tpb. The new material is just a bonus.

[Disguise]

$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand.

It seems the majority of your arguement is about money.

$20.00 is not a big deal to me.

I like the hardback format, it holds up better that the TPBs. I'd pay $20.00 just to replace my 100+ read X-O tpb. The new material is just a bonus.

Then what incentive do companies have to produce new, creative comic material if we'll pay out $20 (a lot for a comic book) for them to do essentially notning.

[siren3-4]

$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand.

It seems the majority of your arguement is about money.

$20.00 is not a big deal to me.

I like the hardback format, it holds up better that the TPBs. I'd pay $20.00 just to replace my 100+ read X-O tpb. The new material is just a bonus.

Then what incentive do companies have to produce new, creative comic material if we'll pay out $20 (a lot for a comic book) for them to do essentially notning.

I've re-bought more Marcel and DC stories in HC format than Valiant could even produce right now. And that is with no new stories and maybe a few "behind the scenes" frills . . .

I think this is a really great way to get the Valiant name back on the minds of the comic public and collect some really worthy material in a beautiful format . . .

Win, win baby . . .

[Zaphod]

ckb

Your explanation is a lot different from saying you couldn't get the book. You could get the book, you just chose not to pay for it. That's fine.

I certainly would send you one for the Canadian cover price postage paid. What is that, anyway??

Well too me when I order it through Diamond dist. and all of a sudden problems stop it from coming through them then that qualifies it as being not able to get it. Why should I pay more with shipping and handling on it? When I could've got it from my comic store with a discount? As I mentioned before I tried some comic online stores and shipping costs came from $8.50 - $12+. Even with the book given a discount altogether its just a lttle more than I wish to pay for it.

MProyas

I ordered mine from Amazon.com when they had the great price so I ordered 2. If the Canadian Dollar remains above the American until pre-orders come along, it'll be even cheaper.

Yes I knew about that price before the discount vanished and I bite myself for not ordering it then. I most likely would've gone with Amazon.com if the discount was still on it and the dollar being so good now. If X-O ends up on Amazon.com, I think I'll be ordering it for sure.


MProyas

yeah, big difference between not being able to get it and being unwilling to pay to get it.

If you already have the books and don't feel a need for the new bit of story or the HC itself then that is different. If you are complaining about there being no distribution set up for Canada there are more constructive ways to get that to change than *SQUEE* and moaning on a message board.

I was *SQUEE* and moaning on the board? I don't think I sounded that uptight about not having the book. Aren't you suppose to post on message boards and put in your thoughts? Didn't think I'd get criticised about this. There are others that don't have the book either. Should they be criticised? Look I have Harbinger #0-4 and theres the fact that I don't have #5-7, the new story, colors, cover art. But theres a fine line I'm only willing to go pay for it. Not all of us have disposable income on comics. Different strokes for different folks.

yeah, I was a little out of line but it just felt that your post was a little passive aggressive. Your beef wasn't that you couldn't find the book, you just couldn't find it without paying huge shipping on it. I can understand that and if you have those books already (I didn't and had never read the stories that weren't in the graphic novel) so it was worth it to me...especially for that presales rate through amazon.com.

[Zaphod]

$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand.

It seems the majority of your arguement is about money.

$20.00 is not a big deal to me.

I like the hardback format, it holds up better that the TPBs. I'd pay $20.00 just to replace my 100+ read X-O tpb. The new material is just a bonus.

Then what incentive do companies have to produce new, creative comic material if we'll pay out $20 (a lot for a comic book) for them to do essentially notning.

For you, it is not appealing so it is like any other product. Don't buy. For me, I don't have those stories and the HC format is appealing for a long term investment.

Your overshadowing dislike for Mr. Layton kinda shines through the rest of the arguement though and I have to wonder if Bob ever came to your home and *SQUEE* in your cornflakes? XO#68 may have been a selfish mistake he made but lets keep it in context. He's come out plenty of times to admit it was a mistake he wished that he never made and when I think of X-O the name that is synonomous with him is Bob Layton. Just like Bob Hall is what comes to mind when I think Shadowman etc.

[Will]

Your overshadowing dislike for Mr. Layton kinda shines through the rest of the arguement though and I have to wonder if Bob ever came to your home and *SQUEE* in your cornflakes? XO#68 may have been a selfish mistake he made but lets keep it in context. He's come out plenty of times to admit it was a mistake he wished that he never made and when I think of X-O the name that is synonomous with him is Bob Layton. Just like Bob Hall is what comes to mind when I think Shadowman etc.

Well, if by "*SQUEE*" you mean "consistently poor storytelling," and by "cornflakes" you mean "the post Unity VALIANT universe," then yes, I think a lot of us feel that way.

[worldsbestcomics]

I'm glad to hear Bob is doing the new work. I have posted numerous times that my idea of a perfect second VEI release would be an X-O collection with new material that "undoes" X-O 68. A "do-over" if you will and a literal re-birth of the Valiant universe continuity that was apparently destroyed in X-O 68. And the news of this release makes me think that Valiant is on the same thought path

[cjv]

If you guys send me a self-addressed stamped envelope, I should be able to send them to you...

The business cards? Cool, I'm in. What's your address.

Chris

[Texcap]

Fantastic news (man, it just keeps on coming)! If I wasn't already excited as all get out that we'll see a new X-O Manowar HC collection the new story by none other than Bob Layton surely would've done it!

Dang, sure am glad I decided to do a little puttering around on the net this evening! Wa-hoo!

Hey Texcap, where have you been friend?

Busy, busy...and busy (spent ~4 hours troubleshooting my router this evening, for example). Thanks for asking.

I do have a little bit of a break here for the holidays, etc. so its given me a little more time to putter. I thought I'd check the forum here, and I find this huge announcement. Time well spent it seems.

Hope things are going well, and that you're enjoying the Cowboy games each week (that last one was a little too close for comfort). It's great to have that excitement back again. I'm still at the GSBA board most days, and certainly plan to stay for a long time to come.

Ah, and Clan Destine is on its way!

[Todd Luck]

After some major cajoling (re: asking out loud and getting a PM from one of the big cheeses saying to feel free to pass this along)

At the end of the Saturday panel VEI announced that the next hardcover was going to be X-O Manowar and that non other than Bob Layton would be writing the new story. After the panel Aric Dacia business cards were handed out. The reverse side of the card promotes the new hard cover.

How'saboutTHAT!



-slym

Bob Layton? Thanks but no thanks.
$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand. If it wasn't Shooter, I wouldn't have done it.

An X-O #0? What does that run me? $0.25 if I'm overpaying. A copy of X-O TPB? $3 on eBay. I could be really fancy and buy the Blue variant for $6. That means if I could find X-0 #5 and #6 for less than $16.75, I would save money. AND I wouldn't have to be subjected to anything written by the guy who brought us X-O #68.

*gasp*
I realize how blasphemous this is to say on these boards, and I know that VEI is "fighting the good fight." And when they start coming out with new material, anything really (ok, anything not by Layton), I'll be happy to give it a shot. But endless reprints are pointless. And please, the new coloring is not that good. And even if it were, $20 for coloring?

Just thought I'd share a point of view that many of us hold back because we have better things to do than get kicked in the crotch for having an opinion that differs.

I think he covered all the reasons I can't see myself getting this one (though the price on the Harbinger HC was $24.95 retail not just $20 and I think the new material was a whopping 8 pages instead of 5). Not a huge Layton fan, so this really ain't my deal either (not that reprints of material I already own or hardcovers ever are). I might be interested in new comics if that ever happens.

[TimeWillTell]

Sorry you feel that way Todd.
-TWT

[400yrs]

so this really ain't my deal either (not that reprints of material I already own or hardcovers ever are). I might be interested in new comics if that ever happens.

Yeah, I'd like regular comics to happen. That's when I'd get excited.

I'm not going to be very excited if it's another 8 page story. Don't get me wrong, the 8 new pages of Harby were great, but I need more out of my $25 then that going forward.

They need to get this legal *SQUEE* settled or at least straighten out things with Diamond somehow or this thing isn't going to even have a chance of getting off the ground. Not being able to use the main comic distributor is a huge problem.

[Rufusharley]

After some major cajoling (re: asking out loud and getting a PM from one of the big cheeses saying to feel free to pass this along)

At the end of the Saturday panel VEI announced that the next hardcover was going to be X-O Manowar and that non other than Bob Layton would be writing the new story. After the panel Aric Dacia business cards were handed out. The reverse side of the card promotes the new hard cover.

How'saboutTHAT!



-slym

Bob Layton? Thanks but no thanks.
$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand. If it wasn't Shooter, I wouldn't have done it.

An X-O #0? What does that run me? $0.25 if I'm overpaying. A copy of X-O TPB? $3 on eBay. I could be really fancy and buy the Blue variant for $6. That means if I could find X-0 #5 and #6 for less than $16.75, I would save money. AND I wouldn't have to be subjected to anything written by the guy who brought us X-O #68.

*gasp*
I realize how blasphemous this is to say on these boards, and I know that VEI is "fighting the good fight." And when they start coming out with new material, anything really (ok, anything not by Layton), I'll be happy to give it a shot. But endless reprints are pointless. And please, the new coloring is not that good. And even if it were, $20 for coloring?

Just thought I'd share a point of view that many of us hold back because we have better things to do than get kicked in the crotch for having an opinion that differs.

I think it's great. I'm buying one. That's my opinion. And i know i'm not alone.

[Zero]

After some major cajoling (re: asking out loud and getting a PM from one of the big cheeses saying to feel free to pass this along)

At the end of the Saturday panel VEI announced that the next hardcover was going to be X-O Manowar and that non other than Bob Layton would be writing the new story. After the panel Aric Dacia business cards were handed out. The reverse side of the card promotes the new hard cover.

How'saboutTHAT!



-slym

Bob Layton? Thanks but no thanks.
$20 for five pages of new material in the Harbinger volume was almost more than I could stand. If it wasn't Shooter, I wouldn't have done it.

An X-O #0? What does that run me? $0.25 if I'm overpaying. A copy of X-O TPB? $3 on eBay. I could be really fancy and buy the Blue variant for $6. That means if I could find X-0 #5 and #6 for less than $16.75, I would save money. AND I wouldn't have to be subjected to anything written by the guy who brought us X-O #68.

*gasp*
I realize how blasphemous this is to say on these boards, and I know that VEI is "fighting the good fight." And when they start coming out with new material, anything really (ok, anything not by Layton), I'll be happy to give it a shot. But endless reprints are pointless. And please, the new coloring is not that good. And even if it were, $20 for coloring?

Just thought I'd share a point of view that many of us hold back because we have better things to do than get kicked in the crotch for having an opinion that differs.

I think it's great. I'm buying one. That's my opinion. And i know i'm not alone.

No sir, you are not. I'll be buying a couple copies myself.

[h-comics]

Hey every one is intitled to there own thing,Hey if don't want to buy it then don't.Well as for me I will defintliy going to grab it when it comes out since I love X-O and even if it gots three ,four, whatever pages of new material I going to grab it.This is and exciting time for new and old Valiant fans.

[ncameron]

Actually I was curious about one ting, when my LCS ordered from Valiant Direct after the Diamond order was canceled, he let me know that mine was the only one he was ordering. The reason he was only ordering mine was that even though he wanted to order more, the shipping charge was the same per book if he ordered 1 or 100. As he felt that policy was ridiculous he choose not to carry the book.

Did anyone else hear of any type of retailer reaction similar to what I saw?
Any chance it will be changed for X-O?

-Neil

[fury143]

I heard the new story focuses on the x-o bike and in a tribute to the last issue of x-o, the new story has 5 pages with only five words

Seriously, I can't wait for new stuff to come out. I wish for monthly new titles. Maybe they are using this money to save for a relaunch, like they did with the wrestling comics.

[dino]

Actually I was curious about one ting, when my LCS ordered from Valiant Direct after the Diamond order was canceled, he let me know that mine was the only one he was ordering. The reason he was only ordering mine was that even though he wanted to order more, the shipping charge was the same per book if he ordered 1 or 100. As he felt that policy was ridiculous he choose not to carry the book.

Did anyone else hear of any type of retailer reaction similar to what I saw?
Any chance it will be changed for X-O?

-Neil

It was changed for Harbinger: The Beginning.

Very early on we began receiving feedback from retailers that they would prefer a per weight system for shipping and would in fact increase orders if one was available so we changed the system. The change was made within the first week and all the retailers who had already ordered were given a discount if one was applicable.

[Elveen]

I heard the new story focuses on the x-o bike and in a tribute to the last issue of x-o, the new story has 5 pages with only five words

Seriously, I can't wait for new stuff to come out. I wish for monthly new titles. Maybe they are using this money to save for a relaunch, like they did with the wrestling comics.

Now THAT is funny..... and sad at the same time.

[Brother J]

Hey, why has no one kicked Disguise in the crotch yet?

In the end, it's up to the individual whether they want to buy one of these or not. For instance, with the Harbinger book, I was willing to buy it because I was going to order it through Barnes and Noble and I was going to be able to use an old gift certificate I had laying around, so the cost out of my pocket was only going to be $13. However, when that fell through, I figured I was basically not going to get the book. I didn't want to pay full price plus shipping and the Amazon pre-sale price was over. I got a few "comments" when I mentioned that, but no sweat, I defended my reasoning. I "took my kick to the crotch" and shook it off.

Again, it's not that the book isn't worth the full price or that I don't want to support VEI wholeheartedly, it's just that like everyone else, I have to do what feels right in each situation. To me, it is hard to justify paying $25+ for a new short story and reprints, no matter how nice the product is.

However, there's probably some very good reasons why the reprints have to come first, the legal situation being one of the big ones. I'm sure once VEI is in a position to publish some new work, that's exactly what they will do.

I envy you guys who are so diehard that you buy everything VALIANT related and don't worry a whole lot about the cost. I saw a lot of that this weekend, and I really wish it was something I could feel comfortable doing financially. Personally, I'm lucky I made it out of New York with a little dough left.