What does being "shilled" on ebay mean?

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:03 pm

Hey, guys...I was reading the auction hall of shame thread, and some were talking about being "shilled." I hadn't heard that term before...what does it mean?

Thanks in advance.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:14 pm

It isn't another word for "screwed," is it? Heh heh...I guess I'm behind on the lingo.

BodaZoffa · Post by **BodaZoffa** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 6:17 pm

It means that the seller is either having his friends bid on his own items to drive the price up, or he has another account (or more) & uses these to bid on his own items to raise the price.

Boda

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:58 pm

It happens every day, all day long, so I would get used to it. Understand that sometimes there's a 'hidden reserve' that is TRULY hidden, in that you're bidding against the seller without knowing it.

In that case, unless you have concrete evidence, I'd just say bid the absolute MOST you're willing to pay, add $1 for chutzpah, and then be done with it. If you win, you win, if you get shilled..well, you still would have paid that much anyways, right?

Shilling IS illegal, by the way.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 11:32 am

Oh, I see. Thanks for the info! I didn't even think about that happening, but I could see how it could. In fact, I may have been shilled a couple of times myself without even knowing it. I'll try to be more careful and watch for that.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:05 pm

Dang it! I DID get shilled. But I have evidence of it and have reported it to ebay.

I had already left positive feedback. Be wary of ace_traffic, who will use maggie_got_comics to up the price, since "maggie" won the exact same auction a week before. Evidence: ebay item numbers 2287915450 and 2290261778.

I appreciate you guys letting me know about this practice. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could happen. I guess I'm a little naive.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:31 pm

Richmond West wrote:Dang it! I DID get shilled. But I have evidence of it and have reported it to ebay.

I had already left positive feedback. Be wary of ace_traffic, who will use maggie_got_comics to up the price, since "maggie" won the exact same auction a week before. Evidence: ebay item numbers 2287915450 and 2290261778.

I appreciate you guys letting me know about this practice. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could happen. I guess I'm a little naive.

That seller is a dumb *SQUEE*. He used the same picture and auction description in both. He even left possitive feedback on the shill account. He can't claim now that maggie_got_comics didn't pay. Hell he even used the shill account to bid on the second auction. Good job catching it and reporting it to eBay.

I hope no one was planing on bidding on thsi lot.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2291966798

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 12:39 pm

Wow, good catch x-omatic...I wish I had put negative feedback in time, before this guy put other stuff up on ebay. He's doing it again! Once again, "maggie" is winning, and someone is going to get shilled if they bid on this.

Hopefully Valiant fans who would bid on that will see this message first and be careful.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:14 pm

x-omatic wrote:
I hope no one was planing on bidding on thsi lot.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 2291966798

Ouch! No credit to Valiantcomics.com and stealing bandwidth.
Lame.
DAN

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:50 pm

Hey, sonicdan, I love your site! I emailed you yesterday and asked if you had some items...did you get my email? Thanks...

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 4:20 pm

Don't you worry none bout that mean ol' Ace guy. He's being...taken care of.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:29 pm

Thanks, Zephyr!

I emailed another guy bidding on the Magnus set, and he had shilled that guy on a Solar set, costing him an extra forty bucks. I think I had bid on that set too, but got outbid (probably on the shill attempt) and didn't want to get into a bidding war.

Yep, the evidence is all over the place. He cost me another forty bucks or so on the X-O set. I asked that guy on the Solar set to report him, too.

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 6:36 pm

I also emailed boooyah, the guy that is currently getting shilled on that Magnus run. I'm going to email everyone who bids on that, so that they'll report him, too.

sonicdan · Post by **sonicdan** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 7:29 pm

Richmond West wrote:Hey, sonicdan, I love your site! I emailed you yesterday and asked if you had some items...did you get my email? Thanks...

Thank you! I got your email and sent a reply. Hope to do business
with ya soon. Later,
DAN

ZephyrWasHOT!! · Post by **ZephyrWasHOT!!** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 8:49 pm

Richmond West wrote:I also emailed boooyah, the guy that is currently getting shilled on that Magnus run. I'm going to email everyone who bids on that, so that they'll report him, too.

Oh don't you worry yourself none...Boooyah! knows what he's doing....

Heh...heh....heh.

400yrs · Post by **400yrs** » Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:26 pm

ZephyrWasHOT!! wrote:
Richmond West wrote:I also emailed boooyah, the guy that is currently getting shilled on that Magnus run. I'm going to email everyone who bids on that, so that they'll report him, too.
Oh don't you worry yourself none...Boooyah! knows what he's doing....

Heh...heh....heh.

Serves hime right!! :x

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Sun Dec 12, 2004 2:03 pm

Cool! Hey, Zephyr, let me know the outcome...you can send me a private message later, if you wish. I'd really like to know what comes of it...

johnhickman · Post by **johnhickman** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:49 pm

I just noticed this. I sold a CD to a guy last week and he's been hounding me for feedback (I only return feedback and usually only get around to it every two weeks or so) - I've gotten e-mails from him in the last week demanding feedback. So, of couse I think something is up. I checked his feedback and noticed 20 feedbacks from the same seller account. So I check out the seller account and noticed that he sells mostly (probably) knock-off polo shirts and name brand wallets. and I think to myself , what idiot needs 40 of the same shirts? So I check out for the for sale items and noticed that the descriptions look similar too, plus the shill account has bid on ALMOST EVERY AUCTION that this guy has done (plus a few others). I'm thinking this guy knows he's got to do some other buying to through off suspicion and must have just realized that having 20+ feedback from one account doesn't do anything for his total number. I suppose it could be legit, but I'm guessing it's not. Hell, his shill account leaves feedback the day after he closes the auction! Does he live next door? In any event, I'm not leaving this guy any feedback (he's already left me a positive) just cause I'd like to see him waste his time extorting it from me (and all I have to do is hit "delete"). I've reported it to ebay (if they do anything at all)

Here's the two accounts - NWTstuff and PatrickNJN - Maybe I'm just paranoid - what do you think?

dave · Post by **dave** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 7:30 pm

i think that you're right hackman...and i think that it is great what you guys are doing to keep people on their toes at least...e-bay is a pretty cool thing-but i figure that eventually it will be forced to drastically change (when the gov't gets sick and tired of "losing out" on all that money that's exchanging hands...) anyway-until it does i want it to be as safe as can be!
you guys are heroes ....i'm cereal.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:34 pm

Wasn't this one of the eBay ids that was shill bidding before?

whynotmakeyourself
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 58286&rd=1

bamaphilosopher · Post by **bamaphilosopher** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:38 pm

If he tries to shill on that Rai set, he'll be left holding the bag. SURELY no one would get into a bidding war for those issues!

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:51 pm

Richmond West wrote:Dang it! I DID get shilled. But I have evidence of it and have reported it to ebay.

I had already left positive feedback. Be wary of ace_traffic, who will use maggie_got_comics to up the price, since "maggie" won the exact same auction a week before. Evidence: ebay item numbers 2287915450 and 2290261778.

I appreciate you guys letting me know about this practice. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could happen. I guess I'm a little naive.

No longer a registered user

BodaZoffa · Post by **BodaZoffa** » Thu Dec 16, 2004 11:54 pm

x-omatic wrote:
Richmond West wrote:Dang it! I DID get shilled. But I have evidence of it and have reported it to ebay.

I had already left positive feedback. Be wary of ace_traffic, who will use maggie_got_comics to up the price, since "maggie" won the exact same auction a week before. Evidence: ebay item numbers 2287915450 and 2290261778.

I appreciate you guys letting me know about this practice. It hadn't even occurred to me that this could happen. I guess I'm a little naive.
No longer a registered user

Brother J · Post by **Brother J** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:07 am

If anyone goes there, I see that ace_traffic is now selling on Yahoo! auctions with the same handle, so maybe he or she has been booted from eBay for good.

x-omatic · Post by **x-omatic** » Fri Dec 17, 2004 12:08 am

Ok, lets check the score.......
eBay buyers 1
eBay 954,665,446,546

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